Combined: Leadership Pt 1-4

Why This Combined Edition Exists

0:00 SPEAKER_04: Welcome to this combined edition of the Consider podcast.

0:05 SPEAKER_04: Here we examine leadership, not the polished version promoted by institutions, but the kind that stands on truth when political ideology, self-glorification, and institutional power align against it.

0:19 SPEAKER_04: What follows is not theory.

0:23 SPEAKER_04: It is a direct look at courtroom reality where the evidence reveals how far some in authority will go to protect their own narrative rather than pursue justice.

0:36 SPEAKER_04: The following is a combination of the podcast episodes where the audio versions have been combined into one continuous production.

0:46 SPEAKER_04: Video formats are available at www.consider.vids.io a little backstory on this series concerning leadership.

0:59 SPEAKER_04: Washington State, as is reasonably understood, is saturated with political ideology.

1:06 SPEAKER_04: As a result, King County prosecutors used a clearly obvious ongoing hate crime against Timothy Williams to destroy a Christian church.

1:15 SPEAKER_04: These productions directly present what was, as one would expect, the actual truth that was blocked from entering the equation or the courtroom.

1:26 SPEAKER_04: The discussions are grounded in the full video recordings and complete transcripts of the court trial in question.

1:34 SPEAKER_04: Specifically, Washington State, Seattle, King County Courtroom, with the main players of Judge Laurie K.

1:41 SPEAKER_04: Smith and one of five prosecutors appointed for the takedown, Prosecutor Jason Simmons.

1:50 Timothy: Prosecutor Jason Simmons, Judge Laurie K.

1:53 Timothy: Smith.

1:54 Timothy: Thought they already knew the answer, but we'll go ahead and answer the questions truthfully.

2:00 SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

2:07 SPEAKER_00: More information can be found at www.consider.info.

The Courtroom Accusation About Leadership

2:12 SPEAKER_00: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

2:20 Timothy: Jacob, you were assigned to be in the courtroom video recording everything for what, 28 days, right?

2:30 Jacob: Something like that.

2:31 Jacob: I don't remember the exact day, but it was a good chunk.

2:33 Jacob: Although there was a few days, you know, I wasn't there, but I was there for most of it.

2:36 Timothy: Oh yeah.

2:37 Timothy: It was, but it was a good almost a month, I guess, if you count, February month.

2:42 Timothy: Sure.

2:44 Timothy: Oh, go ahead.

2:44 Timothy: No, no, no, go ahead.

2:46 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons wanted to know.

2:48 Timothy: Well, he's asking questions.

2:51 Timothy: He thinks he already has the answers.

2:53 Timothy: So they're not questions like, I want to know.

2:56 Timothy: They're questions like, I am sure all of this is evil, kind of question, and I'm gonna trap you and put you in a corner and expose you for the vile criminal you are.

3:06 Timothy: Uh though I wasn't charged with any crimes, right?

3:09 Jacob: This is true.

3:10 Timothy: And the things that he was accusing me of are not crimes.

3:14 Jacob: No, they're not.

3:15 Jacob: Yeah, they're not even crimes.

3:16 Jacob: There's nothing illegal.

3:18 Timothy: In fact, isn't it legally protected to be in leadership of a church?

3:23 Timothy: Supposedly, that's what they say.

3:26 Timothy: That's what they say.

3:27 Timothy: His questions were what was the kind of leadership?

3:32 Timothy: How was it?

3:33 Timothy: And he doesn't talk in complete sentences, so I'm just reading what he he said.

3:39 Timothy: Who was in charge and how did it work?

3:43 Timothy: Well, we're gonna answer that question and begin that process.

3:46 Timothy: Now we're gonna swing back probably to fellowship and what that means.

3:51 Timothy: So we're pausing here in a moment.

3:52 Timothy: We're talking about leadership because we're gonna come back to it and explain all of that in context.

3:59 Timothy: Uh, a thing that uh King County courts do not like very much at all.

4:04 Timothy: Jacob, go ahead and play the file and let's begin the discussion.

4:16 SPEAKER_07: It's time for some serious clarity.

4:19 SPEAKER_07: It's time to establish a solid fact or two.

4:22 SPEAKER_07: It's time for facts of evidence and facts of reliable truths.

4:27 SPEAKER_07: Timothy Williams is the complete and total opposite of prosecutor Jason Simmons' lies.

4:34 SPEAKER_07: Not just opposite with some shades of gray, but opposites as white is from black or light is from darkness.

4:43 SPEAKER_07: Acts 2018 through 21.

4:46 SPEAKER_07: You know how I lived the whole time I was with you.

4:49 SPEAKER_07: From the first day I came into the province of Asia, I served the Lord with great humility and with tears, although I was severely tested by the plots of the Jews.

4:59 SPEAKER_07: You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you, but have taught you publicly and from house to house.

5:08 SPEAKER_07: I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

5:18 SPEAKER_07: The Consider Podcast.

5:20 SPEAKER_07: Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

5:24 SPEAKER_07: www.consider.info.

5:30 Timothy: Jacob, how long have you known me?

5:34 Jacob: Uh, technically my whole life.

5:36 Timothy: And that would be roughly without giving your exact age.

5:40 Jacob: Oh, well, um uh twenty years.

5:44 Jacob: Let's do that.

5:45 Timothy: Okay, let's do twenty years.

5:47 Timothy: You knew me when I was just beginning quote unquote leadership, and that's what we're talking about here is leadership.

5:55 Timothy: Now everybody needs to understand very clearly every single thing that prosecutor Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

6:02 Timothy: Smith and the gang of five painted me to be, I am the complete opposite of.

Shepherding Not Hierarchy

6:10 Timothy: Correct?

6:11 Timothy: Correct.

6:13 Timothy: What would you say, without going too deep at just the moment, what would be my style of leadership?

6:20 Jacob: Um style of leadership.

6:25 Timothy: There are all kinds of leadership.

6:27 Timothy: I know the person doing the hate crime tried to paint me um as being like Hitler because I've studied some World War II books, so that was one of the slanders, although they they went around.

6:38 Timothy: Detective Grant McCall said that everything came back to me.

6:42 Timothy: Um he knew that for sure because of his non-investigation and self-righteous Baptist doctrine that believed only the King James Version 1611 with these and thou is the appropriate Bible to read.

6:56 Timothy: So that every Bible verse I'm reading at and we're looking at here today is an apostate apostasy to Enam Claw detectives and police.

7:05 Jacob: Well, I we could uh to to steal from Detective McCall, I think uh the complete opposite, yeah, everything did not point to you, everything pointed back to Jesus, to the Lord, to living for him.

7:20 Jacob: That is the truth.

7:23 Timothy: And even more so.

7:25 Timothy: Um meaning How did leadership work, Mr.

7:29 Timothy: Simmons?

7:30 Timothy: You know, the reason I'm kind of hesitating is it's a poured-out situation.

7:33 Timothy: It's not leadership like King County prosecutors.

7:37 Timothy: There wasn't a hierarchy of I'm at the top, and then you had vice leadership, and then you know, vice leadership under that leadership, and then that leadership.

7:46 Timothy: This isn't King County's prosecutor's office where you know you have the head elected prosecutor, and then you have the minions that go on the line.

7:55 Timothy: Of course, the women are all on top in terms of hierarchy and authority and power because they're women, which means they're intrinsically more moral than men.

8:04 Jacob: I'll tell you a quick story because you probably don't even remember this.

8:06 Jacob: But I was quite young, actually, right?

8:08 Jacob: So I'm like I'm like an early kind of teenager, and I'll make the story short.

8:14 Jacob: Uh this is the yeah, there was there was no like Uber closed off, you could never talk to you or never interact with you.

8:22 Jacob: Um there was all I can remember, because I was actually quite young, right?

8:26 Jacob: There was a prayer meeting.

8:27 Jacob: It wasn't even like a prayer meeting, a decision needed to be made.

8:30 Jacob: And so within the church, right?

8:32 Jacob: It was uh, you know, it had to do with the ministry and what to move forward on, what to do.

8:36 Jacob: And so you let anybody who was there, and I was even just like a little teenager, a little snotty-nosed teenager, anybody who was there, they're like, okay, let's let's go ahead and pray about this.

8:43 Jacob: Any it whoever was in the room, there was no like, well, you need to leave because I don't know, you haven't been in sound doctrine long enough or something.

8:50 Jacob: So we all had, we prayed right then and there, and then every and everyone went around the room to to share what they felt like they heard from the Lord.

8:58 Jacob: And I I I just have this memory because the I have a it's a vivid memory that there was just some like I'm saying this, I don't know who it was.

9:05 Jacob: It was like a random person, like somebody who literally was just kind of like hanging around sound doctrine, right?

9:11 Jacob: And like he was included in the prayer meeting, he was allowed to like say what he felt like he heard from the Lord.

9:16 Jacob: It was yeah, so this whole concept that there was this hierarchy leadership that looked down on everyone, and you were the evil cult leader is just lies because I was there and I saw that like everybody was included, there was no you making the decisions, it was literally you could go around the room and share what you felt like you heard the Lord say.

9:38 Timothy: Correct.

9:39 Timothy: Always let's look at Philippians chapter two verse seventeen.

Poured Out Leadership And Exhaustion

9:44 Timothy: Philippians two verse seventeen.

9:46 Timothy: Go ahead and read that when you get there to Jacob.

9:50 Jacob: But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you.

10:02 Timothy: Philippians two seventeen describes what leadership and by and we might as well say I was in leadership.

10:10 Timothy: I was probably if you want wanted to rank it, which I wouldn't want to do because it's not the name that that's not to describe what it was.

10:17 Timothy: I'll tell you what it was, it's shepherding, which is different than leadership.

10:22 Timothy: I follow the great shepherd, which is Jesus Christ.

10:26 Timothy: So I'm being made and molded into his image.

10:29 Timothy: So it's shepherding, meaning you've got a whole flock of people, and I'm part of the flock, but whatever, I've been appointed as I don't know, head sheep or whatever.

10:38 Timothy: As you move along, the whole group moves along together.

10:41 Timothy: It's not like you don't see a committee of sheep, do you?

10:45 Timothy: No.

10:46 Timothy: And but you find them corralled or moved in a certain direction, but it's always done as a group, and it's done in such a way as to protect the flock.

10:54 Timothy: Are they called a flock, by the way?

10:56 Jacob: Yeah, I guess I think yeah, it's called a flock.

10:58 Jacob: Yeah.

10:59 Jacob: A flock of sheep.

11:00 Timothy: So and it's all done in a way that's protected but moving in a certain direction.

11:05 Timothy: It's Philippians 2.17, just as Jesus was poured out for us, in the same way I was poured out, it was a constant.

11:13 Timothy: He Simmons, you have no clue, actually, no frame of reference, just how much work and life force is given away every single day to shepherd God's people.

11:24 Timothy: It is not an easy thing.

11:25 Timothy: It was beyond my power.

11:27 Timothy: I had to cry out to the Lord.

11:29 Timothy: I needed his strength, I needed his wisdom, I needed his love.

11:33 Timothy: And I had to grow at the same time.

11:35 Timothy: It wasn't like I was baptized and then made into this leader, just ready to go.

11:40 Timothy: God's crushing me.

11:41 Timothy: God's making me carry my cross.

11:43 Timothy: At the same time, I'm supposed to be leading other people in the same direction to him, for which he's going to crucify them and put them on the cross and transform them and have them perfect holiness.

11:54 Timothy: In short, I'm doing the same thing that I'm just showing them that they're doing.

11:58 Timothy: And God has chosen how he's going to arrange the body.

12:01 Timothy: And I was placed in that position of leadership.

12:04 Timothy: It was a style of shepherding, not a corporate kind of thing, not an authority kind of thing.

12:11 Timothy: Although we'll get into it, there is a certain amount of authority.

12:14 Timothy: And why the reason why I'm laying this down now is because we're going to get into specifics where Paul in scripture talks about leadership.

12:22 Timothy: There was an authority there, but the danger here is, of course, and this is exactly what Simmons and Judge Lawyer Kennedy Smith did, is they take their dark mind, their evil heart, and all the lies and the wickedness that they do, and they interpret what leadership is.

12:37 Timothy: So the lingo can sometimes be the same, but there is no consistency, there's no agreement.

12:44 Timothy: It's light from darkness.

12:45 Timothy: Am I making clear what we're about to approach, Jacob?

12:48 SPEAKER_08: Yeah.

12:50 Timothy: Philippians 2 17.

12:52 Timothy: But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering, everybody was constantly taking from me.

12:59 Timothy: I'm not whining.

13:00 Timothy: I'm just telling you what it is.

13:02 Timothy: It was a constant take from Tim.

13:05 Timothy: I need advice.

13:06 Timothy: What should I do?

13:06 Timothy: What does this scripture mean?

13:08 Timothy: How does this apply?

13:09 Timothy: What should be done over here?

13:11 Timothy: It was a constant, ever, never-ending need, need, need.

13:16 Timothy: I there were not sheep coming to me filling me up.

13:19 Timothy: That's just not the nature of what it was.

13:21 Timothy: But even if I'm being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, in other words, the sheep need attention.

13:30 Timothy: They need wisdom.

13:32 Timothy: They need guidance.

13:33 Timothy: I need to, I had to, I was preaching three sermons a week.

13:37 Timothy: I'm not whining, I'm not complaining.

13:39 Timothy: I'm just telling you what it was.

13:40 Timothy: It is an exhausting business, and I have no other word for it, business, labor of love to shepherd a church.

13:50 Timothy: And that's why Paul says, I am glad and rejoice with all of you.

13:54 Timothy: At least that's the way it's supposed to be.

13:56 Timothy: Any thoughts, Jacob, before we move on?

13:59 Timothy: No.

13:59 Timothy: Let's go to Mark chapter 10, verse 42, then.

Authority As Service Not Control

14:04 Timothy: Jesus called them together, the apostles, and said, You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lorded over them.

14:13 Timothy: That's you, Mr.

14:14 Timothy: Simmons.

14:14 Timothy: That's you, Judge Laurie K.

14:16 Timothy: Smith.

14:16 Timothy: You lorded over us.

14:18 Timothy: We're prosecutors, we're police, we're the ones in authority.

14:23 Timothy: I have the gavel.

14:24 Timothy: I'm woman of the year.

14:26 Timothy: So when you come into my courtroom, you stand up because I'm the honorable woman of the year, Judge Laurie K.

14:32 Timothy: Smith, and these are my minions.

14:34 Timothy: This is this is Jason Simmons over here.

14:36 Timothy: We're buds, and we're gonna nail you.

14:38 Timothy: Literally, we're going to nail you.

14:40 Timothy: You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles, lord it over them, is it not held over us all the time that they are in authority?

14:49 Timothy: They know what's best, how you should arrange your family, how the church should be done.

14:54 Timothy: Is that not true, Jacob?

14:55 Jacob: Yes.

14:56 Timothy: It goes on to say, and their high officials exercise authority over them.

15:02 Timothy: I like that word exercise, because what you bump into are these officials that for no real reason they just say, this is the way it is, or this is what you have to do.

15:13 Timothy: They like to exercise.

15:14 Timothy: Think of people that exercise, you know, go running or do push-ups.

15:18 Timothy: I I know people are some people that just enjoy exercising, right?

15:22 Timothy: Correct, yeah.

15:23 Timothy: Well, that's exactly what the officials over us, they lord over us and they just enjoy flexing their muscles.

15:29 Timothy: You have to do it this way.

15:30 Timothy: That's what the rule is.

15:31 Timothy: You have to pay the fine.

15:33 Timothy: We don't have to tell you.

15:34 Timothy: We can keep this in the dark.

15:36 Timothy: We hear it constantly, and they just like, even if it's just a simple basic request, like tell me this over here.

15:42 Timothy: We heard back from the judges in King County saying, Well, we don't have to tell you.

15:46 Timothy: Okay, well, really, you just can't be human.

15:48 Timothy: You you just can't answer the question.

15:50 Timothy: Didn't say you couldn't answer the question.

15:52 Timothy: Sure.

15:52 Timothy: It just said you didn't have to.

15:54 Timothy: Didn't have to, yeah.

15:55 Timothy: So all the humanity is drained out of King County courts.

15:58 Timothy: All the humanity is drained out of Judge Laurie K.

16:01 Timothy: Smith.

16:02 Timothy: Certainly all the humanity was drained out of the prosecutors.

16:05 Timothy: They would not listen.

16:06 Timothy: It was a lot of this came down to a power play.

16:10 Timothy: We didn't bow down to them like the rest of Washington State.

16:14 Timothy: We were submissive, but we didn't bow down, and they didn't like it, and they were going to make sure that we knew they didn't like it, right?

16:22 SPEAKER_12: Mm-hmm.

16:24 Timothy: Well, Mr.

16:24 Timothy: Simmons, that's not how the leadership at Sound Doctrine Church worked.

16:30 Timothy: Mark 10 43 says, Jesus says, not so with you.

16:34 Timothy: It is the complete opposite of who you are, Mr.

16:38 Timothy: Simmons, and who you think we were, not so with you.

16:42 Timothy: Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.

16:48 Timothy: I was at the mercy of everybody who needed and wanted attention.

16:53 Timothy: And let me tell you, it was great.

16:56 Timothy: Not only that, in the Lord, I am responsible before Jesus Christ to present everybody perfect in Jesus Christ.

17:03 Timothy: Do you know how much effort that takes, Mr.

17:05 Timothy: Simmons?

17:05 Timothy: Well, of course not.

17:07 Timothy: I I, you know, most people in the church didn't know how much effort that makes, takes, right, Jacob?

17:11 Timothy: Correct.

17:12 Timothy: I mean, you got a congregation, I'll go wild here, I'll go crazy because Simmons likes numbers.

17:17 Timothy: Let's say at one point we probably had a peak of 30, maybe 40.

17:20 Timothy: Every single one of those individuals I was responsible for presenting them perfect in Jesus Christ, protecting them in Jesus Christ, preaching to them in Jesus Christ, laying down my life for them.

17:33 Timothy: That means every person that came to me, and believe me, they all did some multiple times during the day.

17:38 Timothy: There are weaker parts of the body that need constant attention, and I needed to know from the Lord how to serve them, what to say, what to do, what not to do, what to say, okay, it's time to go here.

17:48 Timothy: And everybody's at a different growth spot.

17:51 Timothy: No, no good parent treats every child the same.

17:55 Timothy: You might have a four-year-old and you might have a 14-year-old.

17:58 Timothy: Would you treat them the same, Jacob?

18:00 Timothy: No, very different.

18:02 Timothy: Well, actually, in today's cases, I imagine the 14-year-old is more like the four-year-old, but a side issue from that little point, each one is treated different according to what?

18:11 Timothy: Their maturity or like of maturity, their skills or who they are or what they do or what they like or what they don't like.

18:17 Timothy: It goes down and down.

18:18 Timothy: And the situations are coming, not to mention being persecuted, attacked, letting the word of God form in them.

18:23 Timothy: You get the idea, Mr.

18:24 Timothy: Simmons.

18:25 Timothy: This isn't this is a poured-out situation that is beyond my effort, my wisdom, my strength.

18:31 Timothy: And so when you say what kind of leadership with you are playing the fool.

18:35 Timothy: You have no clue nor understanding, nor did you seek it out.

18:38 Timothy: And those that were telling you the lies out there knew that you had no interest in the truth because it is a labor of love for Jesus Christ.

18:48 Timothy: And if it's not that, it's totally worthless.

18:52 Timothy: Not so with you.

18:53 Timothy: Instead, Jesus said, Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.

18:59 Timothy: What's the style of leadership, was it, Mr.

19:01 Timothy: Simmons?

19:01 Timothy: I was a slave to everybody.

19:04 Timothy: A slave to everybody.

19:07 Timothy: Verse 44.

19:09 Timothy: And whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

19:14 Timothy: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.

19:24 Timothy: I'm being made in the image of Jesus Christ, Mr.

19:27 Timothy: Simmons.

19:28 Timothy: Therefore I am a slave to all.

19:31 Timothy: And you're going to see that reflected as we go through the scriptures.

19:35 Timothy: Anything else with that, Jacob?

19:37 Jacob: No.

19:38 Timothy: Well, let's go back again to Acts chapter twenty, verse eighteen.

19:41 Timothy: We kind of heard that in the clip before.

19:43 Timothy: I want to read through it again.

19:44 Timothy: Man, we are moving so fast, but whatever, been forced to do it.

19:50 Timothy: Acts chapter 20, verse 18.

19:51 Timothy: When they arrived, he said to them, You know how I live the whole time I was with you.

19:56 Timothy: Jacob, there's no way that I'm perfect.

20:00 Timothy: We're not even, you know, I'm not or you think you're perfect.

20:03 Timothy: Why ask?

20:03 Timothy: Why ask me that stupid question?

20:06 Timothy: I'm being driven to the ground in front of the living God.

20:10 Timothy: He comes to me day in and day out, hour after hour, showing me my weakness.

20:16 Timothy: That is the nature of it.

20:18 Timothy: I'm not a prosecutor that has a judge that puffs me up, pats me on the back, winks at me when I do bad things, and protects me.

20:25 Timothy: I have a judge who says, Oh, okay, Timothy, I can't use this, and I can't use that over here.

20:30 Timothy: And besides that, you need to mature up over here, and we need to take care of this over here.

20:34 Timothy: And you're coming to me pretty soon because you're getting older.

20:36 Timothy: So I'm going to just crush you a little bit more in this area today.

20:39 Timothy: That's the kind of Lord that I worship, that I serve, and above all, I love.

20:47 Timothy: You know how I lived the whole time I was with you.

20:50 Timothy: Jacob, has my life been consistent?

20:53 Timothy: Yes, very consistent.

20:55 Timothy: Have there been these huge ups and downs and what, oh, I fall into sin over here, and then I come back here in righteousness.

21:02 Timothy: Have you seen these giant swings of anything that would produce what we would call inconsistency?

21:08 Timothy: No.

21:09 Timothy: My life is subtly consistent.

21:11 Timothy: Do I stumble?

21:12 Timothy: Do I make mistakes?

21:13 Timothy: Of course.

21:14 Timothy: That's part of it.

21:15 Timothy: But it's extremely consistent.

21:17 Timothy: You know how I live the whole time I was with you.

21:20 Timothy: Why do you think these false witnesses had to become false witnesses?

21:24 Timothy: Because my life is very consistent.

21:26 Timothy: If I'd had one thing that was just out there or up and down or greed or this or whatever, don't you think they'd have made hay of that?

21:33 Jacob: Oh, sure.

21:34 Jacob: Yeah, the specifics.

21:35 Jacob: I think we had we had talked briefly, however many weeks or days ago, you know, yeah, like nobody brought forth where was any specifics that, like, well, leadership, he did this.

21:46 Jacob: Like nobody even had any specifics.

21:49 Jacob: Like there was uh uh similar to Jesus, right?

21:52 Jacob: When they dragged Jesus in and they just it says like they're making up stories about him, they're just making up things because there was they don't have They don't even have anything.

22:02 SPEAKER_08: If I was this authoritarian bully, nobody brought up one single incident.

22:09 Timothy: No.

22:10 Timothy: Not one example.

22:12 Timothy: And according to Simmons, everybody else, I was that consistently.

22:15 Timothy: It all came back to me.

22:17 Timothy: Whatever I said went.

22:18 Timothy: Don't you think people would go, well, he said this and this and this, and he did it this way and this way, and we were forced this way.

22:23 Timothy: Where was the specifics?

22:24 Timothy: Yeah, that there there were none.

22:26 Timothy: No, because they don't exist.

22:28 Timothy: Now that I mentioned, of course, they may make up a few, but that's beside the point.

22:31 Timothy: Sure.

22:32 Timothy: Simmons, this is what leadership looks like.

22:36 Timothy: What style, what manner?

22:38 Timothy: It's Acts chapter 20, verse 19.

22:41 Timothy: Mr.

22:42 Timothy: Simmons, this is who I am in terms of leadership.

22:46 Timothy: Jacob, I'm going to let you read that and then I'm going to expound on that just a little bit more.

22:51 Jacob: Acts chapter 20, verse 19.

22:53 Jacob: I serve the Lord with great humility and with tears, although I was severely tested by the plots of the Jews.

23:02 Timothy: That's it in a nutshell.

23:04 Timothy: Literally, I could if I had to recount my life, and I'm not about to do that, that's it there.

23:11 Timothy: I serve the Lord with great humility.

23:14 Timothy: If you see boldness in me, if you see me rebuking somebody with authority, if you see me not playing games, it comes from great humility with tears.

23:25 Timothy: Do not be a fool to think that I'm not in the prayer closet weeping over a lot of things, including you.

23:33 Timothy: I serve the Lord with great humility and with tears, although I was severely tested by the plots of the Jews.

23:40 Timothy: Do you not think one of the reasons I was fully prepared for what King County courts were going to do?

23:46 Timothy: Because I've been tested constantly with plots, really from the day I was baptized and God started moving, which before you ever got there, Mr.

23:54 Timothy: Simmons, I'd already decades of being tested.

23:57 Timothy: This test over here and this plot over here, and I don't like you here.

24:00 Timothy: And I heard all this over here, and they'd all come in here and they'd all, oh, I think I got a question here.

24:05 Timothy: I could give you story after story after story if you think this is a joke.

24:11 Timothy: It was a severe test.

24:13 Timothy: Not just one test, lots of plots.

24:15 Timothy: Don't you think they're plotting now?

24:16 Timothy: I mean, literally, do you not think, oh, what can we do to him now?

24:20 Timothy: That's just part of serving Jesus Christ.

24:25 Timothy: Acts chapter 20, verse 20, when we talk about my sermons.

24:28 Timothy: Jacob, have you ever seen me hesitate, pause, or yeah, I don't want to say this.

24:35 Timothy: This will be too tough.

24:36 Timothy: Oh, this will be offensive.

24:38 Timothy: I could lose my job.

24:40 Timothy: No, definitely not.

24:41 Timothy: No hesitation.

24:43 Timothy: Once I know something's to be preached in the Lord, it's a done deal.

24:47 Timothy: Every single day, Mr.

24:48 Timothy: Simmons, when I would get up to the pulpit, I would say to myself, this may be the last sermon I ever preach.

24:56 Timothy: Do you not think these podcasts that are being done, I consider every one could be the last one?

25:02 Timothy: Acts chapter 20, verse 20.

25:04 Timothy: You know that I have not hesitated, Paul says, to preach anything that would be helpful.

25:10 Timothy: There wasn't anything that was preached that wasn't helpful to them.

25:14 Timothy: It didn't build my ministry.

25:16 Timothy: It didn't build my reputation.

25:18 Timothy: It didn't come back to me.

25:20 Timothy: It was for their benefit.

25:22 Timothy: Go, you won't do it, but go listen to all the sermons.

25:25 Timothy: How do they benefit me?

25:27 Timothy: Jacob, how did these sermons benefit me?

25:29 Timothy: They most certainly do not.

25:32 Timothy: To benefit me would be essentially just to shut up.

25:36 Timothy: Or get on here and go, you know, we're in the last days.

25:39 Timothy: Have you noticed that, Jacob?

25:41 Timothy: And bad times are coming.

25:44 Timothy: You know, blessed ones.

25:45 Timothy: We need to just rely on the Lord.

25:48 Timothy: And whenever I'm down, I go to this particular happy scripture over here.

25:53 Timothy: It says, happy, happy, be happy, and trust Jesus, happy and all.

25:56 Timothy: I'm blessed, happy.

25:57 Timothy: Wouldn't that be what I preach?

25:59 Jacob: That would be, yeah, if you wanted to be comfortable.

26:02 Timothy: Correct.

26:02 Timothy: I wouldn't write the remember?

26:04 Timothy: I write the books, Mr.

26:05 Timothy: Simmons.

26:05 Timothy: You may have forgotten.

26:06 Timothy: I write the books.

26:07 Timothy: I wouldn't title my books or even write the doctrine.

26:11 Timothy: You have the books.

26:12 Timothy: I'm just I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you.

26:13 Timothy: What were you saying?

26:14 Jacob: No, no, no.

26:14 Jacob: I'm I'm just doing like a I'm just I'm just like throwing out the stuff he was talking about.

26:18 Jacob: I'm not actually okay, you know, louder.

26:21 Jacob: Just like Moses, you know, Moses got nothing.

26:25 Jacob: Moses served the Lord, Moses poured himself out, Moses wrote all the books, the 10, you know, 12 commandments, the law, a lot of the law.

26:33 Timothy: Actually, just to correct you, Jacob, it was 10 commandments.

26:35 Jacob: Oh, 10.

26:35 Jacob: Okay, sorry, 10 commands.

26:36 Timothy: Oh man, how could you you're an heir?

26:38 Timothy: I'm reporting you to the apostasy group.

26:40 Timothy: Yeah.

26:41 Jacob: But and then and then uh Moses climbed the mountain and died.

26:44 Jacob: He never got anything.

26:45 Jacob: All he did was pour himself out constantly for the Israelites and the people, and that was it.

26:52 Jacob: But yeah, so yeah, just but just like Moses, all of the things Moses did did not benefit himself at all.

26:59 Jacob: He got nothing.

27:00 Jacob: Is the same with you.

27:01 Jacob: You pour out your life, you give to people, give, give, give, give.

27:04 Jacob: And yeah, you you didn't get anything.

27:06 Jacob: There was no helicopters, there was no limousines, there was no wealth and prosperity doctrine.

27:11 Jacob: You didn't get anything.

27:12 Timothy: And there was no happy ending to this thing.

27:14 Timothy: In fact, Moses didn't even get what he was after, which was to go into the promised land.

27:18 Timothy: Yeah, he didn't get it.

27:19 Timothy: God brought him under judgment.

27:20 Timothy: So he it's not that he didn't get anything, he got less than what he was after.

27:23 Jacob: Oh, sure, yeah.

27:24 Jacob: Well then yeah.

27:25 Jacob: But but well, I wouldn't even say I guess it's what he was after, but he still w he wanted it because it it came from the Lord.

27:31 Jacob: But when the Lord said no, then he was he didn't push, yeah, he was content.

27:36 Timothy: Exactly.

27:38 Timothy: He loved God more than the promised land, and that's what God is looking for.

27:43 Timothy: You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you, but have taught you publicly and house to house.

27:50 Timothy: Did not not fit everything that I did?

27:53 Jacob: Yes.

27:54 Timothy: Didn't get sit at home, didn't get growing up.

27:58 Timothy: The reputation among pastors is they preach a sermon on Sunday and they're golfing on Saturday with you know other pastors, and it's a cushy kind of life.

28:08 Timothy: Sure.

28:09 Timothy: Okay, Jacob, when's the last time I played golf?

28:12 Timothy: Never.

28:12 Timothy: When's the last time I had a vacation?

28:14 Timothy: Never.

28:16 Timothy: Exactly, never.

28:17 Timothy: It was a constant pouring out.

28:19 Timothy: Publicly and from house to house.

28:21 Timothy: It was in other words, it never stopped.

28:24 Timothy: When I didn't, phone would ring at night, people call at the door, I need prayers.

28:29 Timothy: Again, I am not whining and complaining.

28:34 Timothy: If I in fact, if God said go play around a golf, I'd say, I don't want to go play golf.

28:39 Timothy: Is there a reason for this?

28:41 Timothy: You know, if if he wanted me to play golf, because I got to meet somebody out there, because that's where the other pastors are, or the lawyers are or the judges are, and I've that would then I'd go play golf.

28:50 Timothy: But otherwise, I have no interest.

28:52 Timothy: I have a heart.

28:53 Timothy: Nobody's gonna believe me anyway.

28:54 Timothy: You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful.

28:58 Timothy: If you want the truth, come to me.

29:00 Timothy: I'm gonna tell you.

29:02 Timothy: And I've taught what would taught you publicly and from house to house.

29:05 Timothy: Simmons, you could have showed up at church anytime to see for yourself.

29:08 Timothy: In fact, we pleaded with you to do so, but yeah, you don't want to come down and get your hands actually dirty with the truth.

29:14 Timothy: Acts chapter 20, verse 21.

29:17 Timothy: I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance.

29:22 Timothy: Jacob, have I been con See, he's he's summarizing what he's preaching.

29:26 Timothy: Is there anything inconsistent with this statement that I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?

29:35 Jacob: No, that's very consistent and true.

Holiness And The Cost Of Reverence

29:39 Timothy: All right.

29:39 Timothy: Let's press on to 2 Corinthians chapter 7, verse 1.

29:45 Timothy: 2 Corinthians 7 1.

29:47 Timothy: Again, we're looking at leadership and answering Simmons' questions, that which he doesn't want the answer for, can't understand what I'm gonna tell him, but we're gonna tell somebody who might have ears to hear.

29:59 Timothy: Second Corinthians 7 1.

30:01 Timothy: Since we have these promises, let's not just pass over that too fast.

30:08 Timothy: You see, Mr.

30:08 Timothy: Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

30:10 Timothy: Smith, everything was predicated on, built upon the grand promises of God.

30:17 Timothy: You know, forgiveness, love, joy, happiness, paradise, being with God, truthfulness, the word, you know, truthfulness, righteousness, holiness, those are the promises of God.

30:28 Timothy: So all preaching, all activity, all pouring myself out had to do with those promises of God.

30:36 Timothy: To put it in another terminology, I preached the promises of God.

30:41 Timothy: Since we have these promises, that is always the foundation.

30:45 Timothy: And when you find these people, these false witnesses, whining and complaining and grumbling, it's because they turned their backs on the promises of God.

30:56 Timothy: And they know they have turned their backs on the promises of God.

30:59 Timothy: And when a man or a woman turns their backs on the promises of God, there is no other recourse.

31:06 Timothy: There's no other promise they can go to, there's no other hope that they can go to.

31:11 Timothy: They are in a hopeless situation.

31:15 Timothy: Any comments, Jacob?

31:17 SPEAKER_12: No.

31:18 Timothy: Since we have these promises and look at these words, dear friends.

31:22 Timothy: He didn't have to write that.

31:23 Timothy: Dear friends, this remember, this is about fellowship, Mr.

31:26 Timothy: Simmons.

31:27 Timothy: Fellowship in heaven.

31:29 Timothy: All right.

31:30 Timothy: This is the message.

31:31 Timothy: Let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit.

31:39 Timothy: Perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

31:42 Timothy: That's what I preached, that's what I lived, that's what I grew in.

31:46 Timothy: Don't think that I just, you know, got baptized, came to Jesus Christ, did a little Bible study.

31:51 Timothy: I'm not like everybody else, where it just stopped there.

31:54 Timothy: There's been a whole purification in my life.

31:56 Timothy: Let me let me give you an example.

31:57 Timothy: Jacob, can you say can you think of where I'm going with this?

32:00 Timothy: Well, give me an idea.

32:01 Timothy: Where you purify yourself from something in body and spirit.

32:07 Jacob: What do you what do you mean?

32:08 Jacob: Or you to give an example of purifying?

32:11 SPEAKER_11: Yeah.

32:12 Jacob: Of both body.

32:14 Jacob: Well, uh, well, you mentioned one earlier, which is not lying.

32:17 Jacob: That would be a good way to purify.

32:19 Timothy: Good.

32:20 Timothy: I'm thinking of the dreaded Christmas.

32:24 Jacob: Oh, the dreaded, oh yes, yes, the dreaded Christmas.

32:32 Jacob: What was the term gave traditional?

32:34 Jacob: Yeah, I gave it to the word, but like the traditional Christmas, yes.

32:37 Jacob: Yeah, no presents.

32:39 Timothy: You see, you whined about Christmas.

32:41 Timothy: We didn't do Christmas like the rest of everybody else.

32:44 Timothy: Or birthdays.

32:46 Timothy: Well, okay, I know.

32:46 Timothy: I didn't want to go too far with this.

32:48 Timothy: But but I was trying to think of one example.

32:50 Timothy: Maybe just one more out of the blue.

32:52 Timothy: Well, let's see.

32:53 Timothy: Man, what would we purify ourselves from?

32:55 Timothy: Oh, I know a Christmas tree, a fat Santa, skinny Santa, all the crudeness of the Santa movies, you know, the presence going on.

33:04 Timothy: We purify ourselves from that, Mr.

33:08 Timothy: Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

33:10 Timothy: Smith.

33:10 Timothy: And then it goes, it gets worse.

33:12 Timothy: And I'm saying that from Simmons' perspective.

33:15 Timothy: So, so you know, it's evil to give to the poor.

33:18 Timothy: It's evil not to have a self-centered birthday.

33:22 Timothy: You know, the fact that we purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, that would be dress, that would be tattoos.

33:28 Timothy: We go down the line.

33:28 Timothy: I can get a lot of nice, serious, cold responses with this.

33:32 Timothy: What are we supposed to do?

33:34 Timothy: Perfecting holiness.

33:37 Timothy: I don't have time to go into that today, but think about that.

33:39 Timothy: We are to be holy in Jesus Christ in everything that we do, right, Jacob?

33:44 Timothy: But then we're to take that holiness that we're participating in, the holiness of being obedient in everything.

33:51 Timothy: And by the way, holiness means separate from.

33:54 Timothy: So I'm I'm separate from all the wickedness and the vile and the lying and the game playing.

34:01 Timothy: Again, am I well known for playing word games as far as trying to cover stuff up or to, you know, trap people?

34:10 Timothy: No.

34:11 Timothy: No.

34:11 Timothy: Enemies will say that because they're trapped by the truth, but I'm not trapping them.

34:15 Timothy: That's their anyway.

34:16 Timothy: I'm getting sidetracked.

34:17 Timothy: Perfecting holiness.

34:19 Timothy: Let me ask you, Simmons, we're to be holy in all that we do.

34:22 Timothy: I mean, that's just the nature of following Jesus, right?

34:25 Timothy: Wouldn't that be true, Judge Laurie K.

34:27 Timothy: Smith, that we're supposed to be holy?

34:28 Timothy: Explain to me.

34:29 Timothy: Why don't you come on the podcast and explain to all of us what perfecting holiness means?

34:37 Timothy: Not just being holy.

34:39 Timothy: You can explain that to us.

34:40 Timothy: Then go on to explain to us, well, how do you perfect holiness?

34:44 Timothy: Jacob, I'm not going to ask you to explain it because I want to hear what they have to say.

34:50 Timothy: And you do this out of what?

34:52 Timothy: What does it say, Jacob?

34:53 Timothy: Perfecting holiness out of what?

34:55 Timothy: Reverence for God.

34:57 Timothy: Reverence for God.

34:59 Timothy: Did anybody try to be holy out of reverence for me, Jacob?

35:03 Timothy: No.

35:05 Timothy: No, never.

35:05 Timothy: Nobody.

35:06 Timothy: So when everything came back to me, that that's just absurd.

35:09 Timothy: I mean, it is absurd as, again, as we talked about earlier, that is black from white.

35:14 Timothy: Out of reverence for God, a lot of men will try and live a good life or a moral life, but it's not out of reverence for God.

35:22 Timothy: Reverence means there's a holy fear.

35:24 Timothy: So, Simmons, when you go, so were you concerned with your salvation at Sound Doctrine Church?

35:31 Timothy: Of course we were concerned.

35:33 Timothy: It's out of reverence for a holy God, for which we must all give an account for every lie that we say, for every false accusation that we say, for every little twisting.

35:43 Timothy: You know, I may let me give one example in perfecting holiness.

35:47 Timothy: I strive to always be truthful about every situation, Jacob, right?

35:52 Timothy: But I'm hindered by my lack of knowledge of words and definitions or clarity of my own mind.

36:00 Timothy: So you take a holy truth, let's say, but then you realize, man, I could have said this better over here.

36:05 Timothy: It doesn't mean you were lying.

36:06 Timothy: It means you keep refining.

36:08 Timothy: Well, what is the truth?

36:09 Timothy: What exactly is there?

36:10 Timothy: That's why when we discuss and you go, well, it wasn't exactly that way.

36:15 Timothy: We go back and forth because we're trying to perfect the truth.

36:19 Timothy: We're trying to get down to what is holy in that situation.

36:22 Timothy: What was the real meaning?

36:24 Timothy: What was going on?

36:24 Timothy: What were the events?

36:26 Timothy: It's taking that which is already holy, that which is already truthful, and refining it so it's even more truthful and communicated in such a way, both in heart and in mind and in speech.

36:40 Timothy: Out of reverence for God.

36:42 Timothy: I, you know, I never had anybody come to me and go, Yeah, I really want to be holy because out of reverence for you.

36:49 Timothy: I mean, that didn't I'm pounding on that, but right?

36:53 Timothy: Correct.

36:54 Timothy: That never happened.

36:55 Timothy: All right.

36:56 Timothy: Go to 2 Corinthians chapter 7, verse 2, and you can accept this as a solid truth, Mr.

37:02 Timothy: Simmons.

37:03 Timothy: A solid truth.

37:04 Timothy: Yes, Judge Laurie K.

37:06 Timothy: Smith, this is the truth, and had you presented it the truth to the jury, this would have been their conclusion.

Clear Conscience Versus Courtroom Narratives

37:14 Timothy: Go ahead.

37:15 Jacob: 2 Corinthians 7 2.

37:16 Jacob: Make room for us in your hearts.

37:19 Jacob: We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have exploited no one.

37:27 Timothy: Jacob.

37:28 Timothy: And you're before God with these answers.

37:30 Timothy: This isn't like well, just answer because you think you you know that.

37:35 Timothy: Yes.

37:36 Timothy: You hate me, right?

37:39 Timothy: What do you mean I hate you?

37:40 Timothy: Jesus says you gotta hate your brothers.

37:42 Jacob: Oh, well, yes, correct.

37:43 Jacob: I know that the Lord sees all, knows all, and hears everything we say.

37:47 Jacob: So when I say this, the the Lord the Lord would judge me for anything I say that was true or untrue.

37:54 Timothy: That is correct.

37:55 Timothy: And you hate me enough in Jesus Christ that you're not gonna seek to please me in a man kind of way.

38:01 Timothy: Correct.

38:02 Timothy: And you'll declare the Oh yeah.

38:03 Jacob: I would not I would not sit here and what is it?

38:06 Jacob: I don't know.

38:06 Jacob: What I can't even think of the word.

38:07 Jacob: Puff you up.

38:08 Jacob: Yeah, yeah.

38:09 Jacob: You know, puff you up, oh great is you.

38:13 Timothy: You know, scripture says a man is tested by the praise given him.

38:16 Timothy: I've never um tested in that yet.

38:19 Timothy: I in fact I just kind of laugh.

38:20 Timothy: It's like, all right.

38:22 Timothy: Have I ever, in all the time that you've known me, exploited anybody?

38:26 Timothy: Absolutely never.

38:29 Timothy: Have I wronged anybody?

38:31 Timothy: No.

38:32 SPEAKER_08: Have I ever, ever corrupted anyone?

38:36 SPEAKER_08: No.

38:39 Timothy: Let's move on then.

38:40 Timothy: Second Corinthians 1.12.

38:42 Timothy: And as you go there, keep in mind, had I wronged somebody, how about the chance to repent and to make it right?

38:48 Timothy: Oh, that little tidbit.

38:50 Timothy: Anyway, 2 Corinthians 1.12.

38:53 Timothy: Now here's one of these words Mr.

38:54 Timothy: Simmons is going to trap you up.

38:56 Timothy: I mean, it's it it will being the style of leadership and the style of prosecutors that King County is in the darkness.

39:06 Timothy: This is rich fodder here.

39:09 Timothy: And had you read the books or actually listened to some, you could have gone there.

39:13 Timothy: You could have gone here.

39:14 Timothy: 2 Corinthians 1, 12.

39:17 Timothy: Now this is our boast.

39:18 Timothy: Read that again for him, Jacob, so he can he can grab onto that word and run with it.

39:22 Timothy: What what did I just read?

39:25 Timothy: Now this is our boast.

39:27 Timothy: This will tickle his ears.

39:28 Timothy: A boast.

39:29 Timothy: Ooh.

39:29 Timothy: A boast.

39:30 Timothy: He's evil, he's wicked.

39:31 Timothy: It all comes back to him.

39:33 Timothy: He's the one in charge.

39:34 Timothy: He's the big banana, right?

39:36 Timothy: Mm-hmm.

39:37 Timothy: He's proudful, boastful.

39:40 Timothy: He's bragging.

39:41 Timothy: He's a hypocrite.

39:42 Timothy: He just told everybody else not to brag, not to boast.

39:44 Timothy: But what's he getting ready to do?

39:48 Timothy: Boast.

39:49 Timothy: Boast.

39:49 Timothy: No, this is our boast.

39:52 Timothy: What Simmons cannot understand, will not understand, does not want to understand, is that you can boast through the humility of Jesus Christ.

40:02 Timothy: Remember, this is a man serving with what?

40:05 Timothy: Tears being poured out?

40:08 Timothy: Great humility and brokenness.

40:10 Timothy: It is a boast in humility.

40:13 Timothy: Wow, I if he could even get the concept, I imagine the, you know, the light bulbs are flashing like what, what, what, what?

40:20 Timothy: Yeah.

40:20 Timothy: As if he wanted to know.

40:22 Timothy: But it is possible.

40:23 Timothy: You don't believe it.

40:24 Timothy: You don't see it.

40:25 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

40:26 Timothy: Smith would go, Whoa, we got him good.

40:29 Timothy: She'd get to do her little quiet, sweet voice smile.

40:32 Timothy: Yeah, I'm gonna allow that questioning.

40:34 Timothy: Yeah, let's go for that.

40:35 Timothy: Your Honor, the defense says, What's that got to do with the person that's being charged?

40:39 Timothy: That supposedly they did this crime and they went up these stairs and did all these things.

40:43 Timothy: What difference does it make whether Tim Williams boasts or not?

40:47 Timothy: I'm going to allow it.

40:50 Timothy: You can, you know, keep it short, Mr.

40:52 Timothy: Simmons, but I'm going to allow it because we're looking at the behavior that has to do with what?

41:00 Timothy: With what, yeah.

41:02 Timothy: I can't even make sense of it.

41:04 Timothy: I did.

41:05 Timothy: Now this is our boast.

41:07 Timothy: Bingo, you got me.

41:09 Timothy: I'm trapped.

41:10 Timothy: I know where to go.

41:11 Timothy: Except to the gospel and to the truth.

41:14 Timothy: All right.

41:14 Timothy: It gets worse than that, Mr.

41:16 Timothy: Simmons.

41:16 Timothy: Hang on, take some notes here, because the next time you put another church on trial, you've got some good, good info.

41:22 Timothy: Look at what he says.

41:23 Timothy: Our conscience testifies that we conducted ourselves in the world.

41:28 Timothy: He's boasting about how righteous he is.

41:31 Timothy: He's boasting about how holy he is.

41:35 Timothy: He's boasting about his humility.

41:38 Timothy: And he's saying, My conscience is clear.

41:41 Timothy: My conscience is holy.

41:42 Timothy: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world and especially in our relationships with you in the holiness and sincerity that are from God.

41:53 Timothy: You got him.

41:54 Timothy: Ten years to life, right, Jacob?

41:56 Timothy: Mm-hmm.

41:56 Timothy: In fact, worse than that, all his friends that are on trial, they now have to serve time because he boasted.

42:04 Timothy: What do you mean?

42:05 Timothy: That was a serve time.

42:06 Timothy: In other words, we had Malcolm Fraser on trial.

42:08 Timothy: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:08 Timothy: Yeah, but it's all my questions and my books and what I wrote and how leadership worked and how the churches arranged and what went on and what we did over here and Christmas and birthdays and all that.

42:17 Timothy: And that's why Malcolm Frazier is going to jail.

42:20 Timothy: Malcolm Fraser is imprisoned because we gave to the poor on Christmas.

42:25 Timothy: Yep.

42:26 Timothy: And that's not an exaggeration.

42:28 Timothy: That's the facts.

42:29 Timothy: Correct.

42:30 Timothy: So here we go.

42:31 Timothy: Paul's boasting that his conscience is better than.

42:33 Timothy: Well, let me tell you something, Mr.

42:35 Timothy: Simmons.

42:35 Timothy: In the humility of Jesus Christ, and the humility that comes from his brokenness, the humility that comes from tears and crying out to God, in the power of his grace that crucifies pride, a man can be given humility that comes from the throne room of God.

42:53 Timothy: In fact, just so you know, we don't have time to look at it today.

42:57 Timothy: To keep Paul from being prideful, he was given a demon.

43:00 Timothy: That's how powerful.

43:01 Timothy: Look, you know what, Mr.

43:02 Timothy: Simmons and Judge O'Hey Smith, do me a favor.

43:04 Timothy: Go into the prayer closet and you think this is a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

43:07 Timothy: Ask God to humble you for the next three years.

43:11 Timothy: Really, if this is nothing, if this is not believable, you get into the prayer closet, bend your knees, and say, Lord, you know, we think Tim Williams is full of it.

43:19 SPEAKER_08: Why don't you show us whether we can be humbled by you or not?

43:26 SPEAKER_08: I'm pausing.

43:26 SPEAKER_08: I want to give you a chance to go do that.

43:28 SPEAKER_08: Turn it off right now.

43:29 SPEAKER_08: Stop listening.

43:29 Timothy: Go into your anywhere wherever you're at, doesn't matter.

43:32 Timothy: God honor the prayer.

43:35 Timothy: May not lead to holiness, but you'll know.

43:37 Timothy: One day you will be humbled, but it may be too late if you don't repent.

43:41 Timothy: All right.

43:41 Timothy: We have conducted ourselves in the world and especially in our relations with you in the holiness and sincerity that are from God.

43:51 Timothy: We have done so not according to worldly wisdom, but according to God's grace.

43:56 Timothy: There is power in everything I'm telling you, and this is extremely true.

44:00 Timothy: True.

44:00 Timothy: And you, Mr.

44:01 Timothy: Simmons, have made a colossal mistake by putting Malcolm Fraser in prison.

44:08 Timothy: And you will pay dearly for it.

44:10 Timothy: Second Corinthians 1 13, he goes on to say, For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand.

44:17 Timothy: Jacob, am I abundantly clear?

44:21 Timothy: Yes.

44:22 Timothy: I I do I do.

44:23 Timothy: The Greek says this over here, and the Hebrew says this.

44:26 Timothy: And if we jump through these three vowels over here, and if we look at these little outlines, and you know, I saw an article today that the Oscars were all messianic type symbols, and the church was all excited.

44:39 Timothy: Oh, yeah, we see through what is your point?

44:41 Timothy: Of course the world is all excited.

44:43 Jacob: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:44 Jacob: Oh, the Oscars, yeah, they're evil.

44:46 Jacob: Yeah, duh.

44:47 Jacob: Yeah, totally.

44:48 Jacob: Why even waste your time on that?

44:50 Jacob: Why are we what?

44:51 Timothy: Why does that require discernment or excitement?

44:54 Timothy: Yeah.

44:54 Timothy: Yeah, of course it's do it all along.

44:57 Timothy: Like, okay.

44:59 Timothy: I know.

45:01 Timothy: Uh let's go to James chapter three, verse one.

45:06 Timothy: You see, Mr.

45:07 Timothy: Simmons, we are not, or at least I'm not, or I were.

45:10 Timothy: I don't know what, I don't know, where am I at now, Jacob?

45:12 Timothy: It's like you took care of the church, not a problem.

45:15 Timothy: You scattered that.

45:16 Timothy: That's your millstone, and quite a few millstones, actually.

45:19 Timothy: Better than a millstone were put around you and tied around you, and you're thrown into the sea than did what you and Judge Laurie K.

45:24 Timothy: Smith and your five other four other cronies did, and all the other subgroups and all the good good deed people, and everybody else that supported all the lying and all the stuff that went on.

45:34 Timothy: You see, Mr.

45:35 Timothy: Simmons, we're not like prosecutors.

45:37 Timothy: We're not a privileged criminal class.

45:41 Timothy: Our things are not buried, they're not covered up.

45:43 Timothy: We serve a living God.

45:46 Timothy: Who before his throne right now, our folly and our sins are hidden things that men cannot see, are present with him.

45:56 Timothy: He can see them all.

45:57 Timothy: Night is not night to the God that I serve.

46:00 Timothy: It is if light.

46:03 Timothy: And James chapter 3, verse 1 provides a very sober promise.

Teachers Face Stricter Judgment

46:08 Timothy: So when you want to know well, what kind of leadership was it was a fearful leadership, a leadership that is afraid, a leadership that knows it will be judged, but not just judged like the average Christian, whatever that means.

46:26 Timothy: Jacob, go ahead and read James chapter 3, verse 1.

46:30 Jacob: Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers.

46:34 Jacob: Because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

46:40 Timothy: It's too late for me, but I can't stand before the Lord and go, oh I wasn't a teacher.

46:44 Timothy: What are you talking about?

46:46 Timothy: Not me.

46:47 Timothy: I you know, I can't I can't get out of that one.

46:49 Timothy: I don't know.

46:50 Timothy: You probably could squeeze out of that.

46:52 Timothy: What do you think, Jacob?

46:53 Jacob: Yeah, I don't know.

46:54 Timothy: Not many of you should presume to be cheat teachers, really.

46:58 Timothy: So yeah, I I I'm laughing.

47:01 Timothy: Like, I'm gonna put on my door, head pastor, you know, main teacher, uh, the big banana kind of routine.

47:08 Timothy: Right.

47:09 Timothy: Uh don't presume that because why?

47:12 Timothy: I'm facing strict judgment, more strict than anybody else.

47:15 Timothy: That's not a boast.

47:16 Timothy: That's not like, and I've heard pastors do that.

47:18 Timothy: Well, I'll be judged more strictly.

47:19 Timothy: I'm going, you fool.

47:21 Timothy: You're boasting about being judged more strictly.

47:23 Timothy: Well, okay, you will be, but that's not the most intelligent thing to go around saying that's gonna happen to you.

47:28 Timothy: It's like you get quiet, Mr.

47:30 Timothy: Simmons.

47:32 Timothy: When I read this particular passage, this isn't like I don't know, Jake.

47:39 Timothy: I didn't go around announcing, well, yeah, I'm a teacher, so I'm gonna be judged more strictly, right?

47:43 Jacob: Correct.

47:44 Jacob: No.

47:46 SPEAKER_08: It's a fearful thing to contemplate.

47:48 SPEAKER_08: It quiets the soul.

47:50 Timothy: It it it causes me to slow down to contemplate to the scripture says, judge myself so that I don't come under judgment.

48:00 Timothy: And this is a constant thing.

48:04 Timothy: How can I explain that when you're serving other people, it's in a constant state of fear and trembling?

48:11 Timothy: There the granted, there there's the peace of Jesus Christ, there's the grace of God, all that's there, but there's also the trembling.

48:19 Timothy: What are the right words to say?

48:21 Timothy: What should I do or not do?

48:23 Timothy: What will benefit them or not benefit them?

48:25 Timothy: What's really going on behind the scenes?

48:27 Timothy: What are they really saying?

48:29 Timothy: What are their real needs over here?

48:30 Timothy: How do I draw them closer to you, Lord?

48:33 Timothy: Answer those questions for me, Mr.

48:35 Timothy: Simmons.

48:35 Timothy: If you were in leadership, how would you approach Judge Laurie K.

48:38 Timothy: Smith and go, How do I present her more perfect in Jesus Christ?

48:42 Timothy: What is it that she's really saying?

48:44 Timothy: What what's in the dark that needs to come into the light?

48:47 Timothy: What is it she needs to be blessed in?

48:48 Timothy: What does she need to be saying you're doing good over here?

48:52 Timothy: You tell me how you come to all those judgments, all of those discernments.

48:57 Timothy: This is an extremely difficult.

49:01 Timothy: Not difficult.

49:02 Timothy: Difficult implies you can do it.

49:04 Timothy: That's why I don't like the word.

49:07 Timothy: It's difficult to do a hundred push-ups, or my age probably a little bit less, right?

49:11 Timothy: It's difficult.

49:12 Timothy: These these it is impossible.

49:15 Timothy: It one has the grace of God to be in leadership, or he doesn't.

49:19 Timothy: And if I sin in such a way, if I do something that's wrong, if there's starting to take advantage, he will withdraw that grace.

49:29 Timothy: You don't understand this, that as the psalm says, when he hides his face from you, the earth trembles.

49:36 Timothy: The the biggest fear I have in this world is that he hides his face.

49:42 Timothy: Because I've done wrong.

49:45 Timothy: And then when he hides his face, I search my heart and I cry out to him and say, Search my heart, oh God, see if there be any offensive way in me.

49:52 Timothy: And that's not a song, that's not some happy-go-lucky kind of prayer.

49:56 Timothy: That is dead serious, search me, oh God.

50:01 Timothy: I want to be holy.

50:04 Timothy: Any comments on that, Jacob?

50:06 Jacob: I think the other thing is like Simmons uh, of course, has no clue.

50:10 Jacob: The average church has like leadership teams and there's like a bunch of people, right?

50:15 Jacob: And so from the outside looking in, when they only see there's kind of like one pastor, of course, it was a small church, anyways, but this is the reason why.

50:23 Jacob: If anything, everybody in Sound Doctrine knew that the seriousness of being in leadership.

50:30 Jacob: Everybody knew it because everybody has read this scripture and and could see it in you.

50:36 Jacob: And so there was no like, oh, I want to be a pastor or a deacon or an elder or whatever.

50:42 Jacob: It's like, oh, really?

50:43 Jacob: Oh, oh, really?

50:44 Jacob: You you really want to do this?

50:46 Jacob: There was a way more seriousness to it than we're just gonna shove somebody in a position.

50:52 Timothy: You bring up a good point, not to mention the fact I was desperate for elders or deacons.

50:57 Jacob: Correct.

50:57 Jacob: It's not like you didn't, it's not like you you ever didn't want people to, but it it was it was that serious because it is there was nobody that was qualified.

51:07 Timothy: Sure, yeah.

51:08 Timothy: I can't just make this who was the again, Bo, what's his name?

51:12 Timothy: Um, slandered me, went city council of Enam Claw, Chavez or Bo Ch Bo Chavez, yeah.

51:20 Timothy: I don't know the incident you're thinking of, but well, um oh, he wrote whatever.

51:24 Timothy: He came to the Salt Shaker, said that I can head all their everybody's paychecks and uh I mean I kept everybody's checking account and did all those things.

51:31 Timothy: It was a huge amount of slander.

51:32 Timothy: But the point is, his church appointed him as an elder.

51:35 Timothy: His kids weren't even grown.

51:36 Timothy: I mean, just a casual reading of the scripture.

51:38 Timothy: So in churches, they're they're desperate for people to be involved.

51:42 Timothy: So everybody gets put in positions of leadership.

51:45 Timothy: Yes.

51:45 Timothy: And and the word is just meaningless.

51:48 Timothy: Correct.

51:48 Timothy: I mean, if you if you preach what leadership is about, it's like, no, that's well, let me put it to you this way.

51:55 Timothy: If I preach, let's say, a series of sermons on what leadership is in Jesus Christ, and I say, okay, who is eager?

52:02 Timothy: Who wants in this position?

52:03 Timothy: And I see a couple of hands go up, I can tell you right now, those are not the people that are doing that.

52:09 Jacob: Yeah.

52:10 Timothy: It's the people that don't want to.

52:11 Timothy: I'm not telling you, God wouldn't say because they put their hand up.

52:14 Timothy: Even the apostles, you know, debated who was the greatest and correct.

52:17 Timothy: Thought they would be next to Jesus.

52:18 Timothy: So I understand the civil nature, but I'm just kind of on a basic level, when it's all laid out, when it's just very clear, this is what leadership is, this is a responsibility.

52:27 Timothy: You won't have a life.

52:28 Timothy: Your wife is going to whine because your life is constantly interrupted.

52:32 Timothy: My wife used to say all the time, leave the man alone.

52:35 Timothy: Let him eat his dinner.

52:37 Timothy: Because when do most people call?

52:38 Timothy: They call when they get home and it's dinner time, and everybody's in desperate need at that point, or want a question answered, or, you know, after the Sunday sermon, I didn't understand this.

52:48 Timothy: And what do you mean by that?

52:49 Timothy: And why didn't you say this over here?

52:51 Timothy: By the way, this isn't just people wanting wisdom or information and all that.

52:57 Timothy: These people criticizing, looking for every single thing that I do or don't do or say.

53:03 Timothy: So there was a constant level of not only coming at me and wanting from me.

53:09 Timothy: So it have fun, Mr.

53:11 Timothy: Simmons, if you think you want this territory.

53:16 Timothy: Anything, Jacob?

53:17 Timothy: No.

53:18 Timothy: Take us out of here.

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Recap And Reset For Part Two

54:35 Timothy: We're continuing our prosecutor Jason Simmons Bible study time.

54:41 Timothy: I hope you're keeping up because we got a long way to go.

54:44 Timothy: We still, we still have not got to a lot of other issues, including that whole matter of justice.

54:51 Timothy: Oh, Jacob, would you have described my leadership style?

54:56 Timothy: We talked about this before, but I'm just kind of recapping as authoritative, bossy, rude, controlling, manipulating, you know, making people do what I want, this kind of head guru kind of thing?

55:10 Timothy: No.

55:10 Timothy: That's right.

55:11 Timothy: I'm not even close to what King County prosecutors do to people.

55:15 Timothy: Again, we're continuing our discussion of leadership, that's something that Judge Laurie K.

55:20 Timothy: Smith, who is a woman of the year and prosecutor Jason Simmons, think they have a monopoly on.

55:26 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons wanted to know what kind of leadership was it?

55:30 Timothy: How was it?

55:30 Timothy: Who was in charge?

55:31 Timothy: How did it work?

55:33 Timothy: Well, it was shepherding leadership, and let's continue that discussion.

55:38 SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

55:45 SPEAKER_00: More information can be found at www.consider.info.

55:50 SPEAKER_00: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

55:59 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons and Judge Laurie K Smith, I have a book to recommend.

56:04 Timothy: Now hang on, don't hyperventilate.

56:07 Timothy: Don't go into spasmatic type stuff, and don't go saying I write all the books because I didn't write this book.

56:14 Timothy: Whoa, whoa, what?

A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23

56:15 Timothy: What?

56:16 Timothy: You didn't write this book?

56:17 Timothy: It's shocking to believe and that I actually read a book outside the books that I read.

56:23 Timothy: Yeah.

56:24 Jacob: As if, as if all you do is sit around reading your own books.

56:28 Timothy: Oh, exactly.

56:28 Timothy: You know, and just and just make up the doctrines as I go and avoid good humor humoroids.

56:33 Timothy: I can't even pronounce it.

56:34 Timothy: Yeah, humorous.

56:35 Timothy: Yeah, neither can I.

56:36 Timothy: We'll get back into that later.

56:37 Timothy: The title of the book is A Shepherd Looks at the Psalm 23 by W.

56:42 Timothy: Philip Keller.

56:44 Timothy: Go get that book.

56:44 Timothy: If you want an idea on shepherding, that'll give you a rough idea.

56:49 Timothy: He was an actual shepherd of sheep, and so he compares his experiences to scriptural.

56:55 Timothy: Um, it's a short book, so it's not going to require you a lot of time, a lot of effort.

57:00 Timothy: It's not a deep thinking type book, but it does give a broad brush stroke of what a shepherd would do toward its sheep and how that applies to Jesus Christ and us and other leaders.

57:12 Timothy: Jacob, let's look at 1 Peter chapter 2, verse 25 before I talk about the book a little bit more.

57:18 Timothy: Why don't you go ahead and read that, Jacob?

57:20 Jacob: 1 Peter 2, 25.

57:22 Jacob: For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the shepherd and overseer of your souls.

57:29 Timothy: Jesus Christ is the shepherd of all shepherds.

57:34 Timothy: The big worshiping shepherd, the one that you're supposed to be following.

57:38 Timothy: That's why I never preached myself.

57:40 Timothy: I never demanded, suggested, wanted, remotely went in any territory that said to anybody they should follow me.

57:48 Timothy: Correct, Jacob?

57:49 Timothy: Correct, very correct.

57:50 Timothy: I never said this is what I want done, so let's do it.

57:53 Timothy: It just never ever happened because I'm following Jesus Christ.

57:58 Timothy: He is the shepherd who shepherds me.

58:01 Timothy: He's the overseer of my soul.

58:03 Timothy: And I'm pointing to other people.

58:06 Timothy: Let me just stop right there.

58:07 Timothy: Jesus Christ is the overseer of our soul, correct, Jacob?

58:10 Timothy: Yes.

58:11 Timothy: Am I able to see your soul?

58:13 Timothy: No.

58:14 Timothy: Can I contain it?

58:15 Timothy: Uh quantify it?

58:16 Timothy: No.

58:17 Timothy: Point to it, no, manipulate it, say this over here.

58:21 Timothy: Your soul belongs to you solely without too many souls involved, right?

58:25 Timothy: Correct.

58:26 Timothy: Only Jesus can do that.

58:27 Timothy: And if you've if you would have bothered before you did your nasty little trial of slander and lies and twisting of all, man, every angle that trial was an absolute travesty toward the truth.

58:40 Timothy: It just replaced truth with lies over and over again.

58:44 Timothy: Of course, that's that's how you won.

58:45 Timothy: And Judge Laurie K.

58:46 Timothy: Smith backed up all the lies that you could conjure up to do.

58:50 Timothy: And naturally, since you never ever prosecute those who lie for you, like a piece of dung, you attract these flies, and all they'll do is lie because they know that you will use it for your benefit.

59:03 Timothy: And so the liars come into King County Court and just overflow it like a bunch of flies.

59:08 Timothy: You can't even get rid of them because the minute you shoe one, a hundred other ones come back.

59:12 Timothy: Anyway, he's the overseer of our souls, right?

59:15 Jacob: Yes.

59:15 Timothy: If there's ever a sense of incompetence on my part or weakness, it would be trying to strengthen someone's soul.

59:25 Timothy: I can't do that.

59:27 Timothy: And they have to get back into the prayer closet, they have to begin to become obedient to Jesus Christ in order for Jesus to bless them.

59:35 Timothy: I follow Jesus Christ, who is my shepherd and the overseer of my soul.

59:40 Timothy: Now again, back to the book.

59:42 Timothy: A shepherd looks at the Psalm 23 by W.

59:44 Timothy: Philip Keller.

59:46 Timothy: I have to mention this was a mass-marketed Christian book.

59:51 Timothy: Therefore, things were removed from it because it wouldn't sell.

59:56 Timothy: And it gives a false impression of what kind of shepherd that we follow.

1:00:02 Timothy: Now you're not going to like this, Simmons.

1:00:05 Timothy: You're not going to like this, Judge Laurie K.

1:00:06 Timothy: Smith, but this is the part that was left out.

1:00:09 Timothy: And this is why you find a whole host of quote, and I'm putting in quote Christians that don't like Sound Doctrine Church or don't like this podcast, because we preach the whole gospel.

1:00:21 Timothy: The book is nice and warm and fuzzy, and it tells the story of a shepherd that cares.

1:00:26 Timothy: In fact, the subtitle is Discovering God's Love for You, which is a true statement.

1:00:30 Timothy: But what they don't bring in is how God views us as a sheep.

1:00:35 Timothy: How is he shepherding us and where is he taking us to?

1:00:38 Timothy: And this is going to be offensive.

1:00:40 Timothy: I'm not apologizing for it.

1:00:42 Timothy: I'm just telling you this is how it is.

1:00:44 Timothy: There's rich life if you learn from it, if you submit to it.

1:00:48 Timothy: But this is the part that's left out.

1:00:49 Timothy: And since Sound Doctrine Church, when it was around till you drove it out of the city of Enam claw by your lies and false prosecution, preach the whole gospel.

1:01:00 Timothy: Let's go to Romans chapter 8, verse 36.

Sheep Led Toward The Cross

1:01:06 Timothy: And I'll let you read that here in a moment, Jacob.

1:01:08 Timothy: But if we read this scripture, we have to have, well, what is the mind of God?

1:01:13 Timothy: What is the mind of Jesus Christ?

1:01:16 Timothy: Since he's the shepherd, where is the shepherd leading the sheep, right?

1:01:20 Timothy: He he just he's not out there just standing around.

1:01:24 Timothy: Correct.

1:01:24 Timothy: He's moving them in a certain direction.

1:01:26 Timothy: He'll protect them over here or he'll move them over here.

1:01:30 Timothy: But where is he heading them?

1:01:32 Timothy: Where did God shepherd Jesus, so to speak?

1:01:35 Timothy: Where did God lead Jesus Christ toward?

1:01:38 Timothy: Where was Jesus always from the time he was born all the way to with the disciples?

1:01:43 Timothy: Where was Jesus headed, Jacob?

1:01:45 Timothy: The cross.

1:01:46 Timothy: The cross.

1:01:46 Timothy: Are we not to walk as Jesus walked?

1:01:49 Timothy: Yes.

1:01:49 Timothy: Would not the Holy Spirit lead us where Jesus walked so that we walk according to the walk of Jesus Christ?

1:01:56 Timothy: Yes.

1:01:57 Timothy: Which will always lead toward the cross.

1:02:00 Timothy: You know, publicly being shamed by prosecutors, being persecuted by lies, being whipped, being beaten, being mocked, walk through the parades of the town, and everybody mocking you, throwing things at you, looking down on you, thinking, well, you're not really of God.

1:02:17 Timothy: Look how weak you are, nailing you to a cross, all the pain and all the suffering.

1:02:21 Timothy: You know, Jesus said, Blessed are you when when men falsely accuse you of things because that's how God, that's how they treated the prophets of old.

1:02:30 Timothy: Romans chapter 8, verse 36.

1:02:32 Timothy: This is how Jesus Christ, this is how God views his sheep.

1:02:36 Timothy: And you're not going to understand it, and you're not going to like it.

1:02:41 Timothy: But this is the truth, and there's life in it.

1:02:44 Timothy: And later on, I hope we get to it.

1:02:47 Timothy: Go ahead and read it, Jacob.

1:02:48 Timothy: Romans 8, verse 36.

1:02:51 Jacob: As it is written, for your sake that we face death all day long.

1:02:56 Jacob: We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.

1:03:00 Timothy: Let's let that soak in just a little bit.

1:03:03 Timothy: We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.

1:03:08 Timothy: Isn't the whole Old Testament full of all kinds of slaughtered animals, Jacob?

1:03:13 Jacob: Yeah, on like a either daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis, right?

1:03:18 Jacob: Tons of milestones for all the things that you killed.

1:03:22 Timothy: That would have and it would have been so impressed upon everybody.

1:03:25 Timothy: There would have been no escaping it.

1:03:26 Timothy: You wouldn't even actually give it a second thought because it just went one sacrifice after another sacrifice.

1:03:31 Timothy: And when Solomon uh dedicated the temple, you know, it was recorded how many p things he sacrificed, whether it's bulls, sheep, or whatever was.

1:03:40 Timothy: Hundreds.

1:03:40 Timothy: Oh, yeah.

1:03:41 Timothy: All at once.

1:03:42 Timothy: They were just like shh shop.

1:03:44 Timothy: And then the ultimate, of course, what did Abraham offer to God?

1:03:48 Timothy: His only son.

1:03:50 Timothy: His only son.

1:03:50 Timothy: And God provided a ram.

1:03:53 Timothy: When God looks at Christians, Prosecutor Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

1:03:57 Timothy: Smith and all the other prosecutors that joined in the chorus of let's run this church out of town.

1:04:03 Timothy: Remember, you you asked, what are you going to do when your church can't meet anymore?

1:04:08 Timothy: When God looks at sheep to be slaughtered, I mean when he looks at sheep, it is to be slaughtered.

1:04:13 Timothy: He's shepherding the Christians to lose their life.

1:04:18 Timothy: He's shepherding the sheep to lay down their life for one another.

1:04:24 Timothy: He's shepherding and moving the sheep toward the cross, and sometimes that comes out in persecution, sometimes it comes out in sacrificing and loving other people in the church.

1:04:33 Timothy: But the whole daily life is the shepherd leading us ever closer to the cross.

1:04:39 Timothy: That is giving up myself for the love of God.

1:04:43 Timothy: Isn't that what Jesus said when he was in the garden?

1:04:45 Timothy: The world needs to learn that I do whatever pleases the Father.

1:04:49 Timothy: And that's exactly how Jesus leads us.

1:04:53 Timothy: Jacob, anything you want to kind of comment on or bring together a little bit on that?

1:04:59 Timothy: No, I don't think so.

1:05:02 Timothy: On a basic level, would you say that my life has been consistent not only in preaching that, but living it?

1:05:08 SPEAKER_12: Yes.

1:05:08 Timothy: Well, see, Prosecutor Simmons, this is the rub.

1:05:11 Timothy: When people decide they no longer want to follow Jesus Christ, what they do is leave and say, we were always they were not going to word it this way, I'm just kind of condensing.

1:05:20 Timothy: We're always being led toward the cross.

1:05:22 Timothy: We're always having to give up things, or we're always having to surrender things.

1:05:26 Timothy: Yes, that's the Christian life, and that's how you learn to love God and to love other people.

1:05:30 Timothy: No apology for it.

1:05:31 Timothy: That's where the abundant life is, and all you're doing is listening to people whine and complain because you don't want to love other people, because you don't want to lay down your life, because you don't want to glorify God, both you and Judge Laurie K.

1:05:43 Timothy: Smith.

1:05:44 Timothy: It's evident you have no interest in God because I'll tell you what, by this time we have proven enough lies down through this trial and in the background noise.

1:05:52 Timothy: Simmons and the King County prosecutors should be prosecuting these people for perjury.

1:05:56 Timothy: True, Jacob?

1:05:57 Timothy: True.

1:05:57 Timothy: Absolutely.

1:05:58 Timothy: There's no excuse by this time.

1:06:00 Timothy: We have overwhelmingly proven that the Detective Grant McCall and all kinds of other people wrapped all of this in lies.

1:06:07 Timothy: You may not agree with the doctrine, you may not uh like what the way that I preach or whatever's going on, but in terms of what was actually presented in that courtroom, including the accusation of abuse, we have proven, we've done your work that you should have done, and then prosecuted the people that were lying and setting this thing up.

1:06:24 Timothy: Get an amen on that one, Jacob.

1:06:26 Timothy: Amen.

1:06:27 Timothy: All right, there are too many amens on that.

1:06:29 Timothy: All right.

1:06:30 Timothy: I want to pause here to make sure that this is clear.

1:06:33 Timothy: I think it is it's probably all too clear because nobody wants to go do it.

1:06:41 SPEAKER_07: Demons believe in Jesus.

1:06:44 SPEAKER_07: Demons know for a fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

1:06:49 SPEAKER_07: Like demons, most Christians believe in Jesus.

1:06:54 SPEAKER_07: James 2.19.

1:06:55 SPEAKER_07: You believe that there is one God.

1:06:58 SPEAKER_07: Good.

1:06:59 SPEAKER_07: Even the demons believe that.

1:07:01 SPEAKER_07: And shudder.

1:07:04 SPEAKER_07: To become a disciple of Jesus, read Even the Demons Believe by Timothy Williams.

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1:07:28 Timothy: This is where the joy and the love comes in if we live this.

1:07:31 Timothy: All right, let's go to Hebrews chapter 13, verse 20.

1:07:37 Timothy: The ironic part about this is that once you go into the garden with Jesus and you wrestle out your sinful nature and your sin and your struggle of not wanting to do God's will, there's a joy that comes about.

1:07:50 Timothy: There's a resurrected life.

1:07:51 Timothy: But there's there's no resurrected, abundant life in Jesus Christ unless you go to the cross and die.

1:07:57 Timothy: It's really that simple.

1:07:58 Timothy: We don't get to bypass that.

1:07:59 Timothy: And that's what most of the Christian church does.

1:08:01 Timothy: They just, if they even talk about it, is to bypass it and say, well, we don't have to go to the cross.

1:08:06 Timothy: Jesus Christ did it all.

1:08:07 Timothy: We don't have to walk as he walked, and so on.

1:08:09 Timothy: But this leads to peace.

1:08:11 Timothy: Once Timothy Williams gives up his sinful nature or whatever selfishness he's struggling with, or whatever's going on, there is peace that comes.

1:08:21 Timothy: Hebrews 13, 20.

1:08:22 Timothy: Jacob, I'm going to let you read 20 and 21 and then I'm going to come back at it.

1:08:27 Jacob: May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant, brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever.

1:08:47 Jacob: Amen.

1:08:53 Timothy: You don't have to listen or do anything that I mentioned.

1:08:56 Timothy: Why don't you get into the prayer closet and live Hebrews 13, verses 20 and 21?

1:09:01 Timothy: You don't need me to do it.

1:09:03 Timothy: Go in and do that.

1:09:04 Timothy: I guarantee you you'll you'll be coming back wanting to fellowship or at least to correct your sins.

1:09:09 Timothy: Let's look at it again.

1:09:10 Timothy: Hebrews 13 20.

1:09:11 Timothy: May the God of peace.

1:09:13 Timothy: There was a time when these people that whined and complained to moan and groan unless they were outside the church and never bothered to even pick up their cross and follow Jesus Christ, were full of peace.

1:09:23 Timothy: They had that peace, but then they got tired of carrying their cross.

1:09:27 Timothy: Wrestling with sin is a 24-7 till you're dead kind of thing.

1:09:30 Timothy: May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead of our Lord Jesus.

1:09:36 Timothy: That is, this had power, and we've covered this in past episodes.

1:09:40 Timothy: That great shepherd of the sheep.

1:09:43 Timothy: Jesus Christ, how did leadership work?

1:09:46 Timothy: Who was leadership?

1:09:47 Timothy: It was in reality the great shepherd, Jesus Christ.

1:09:52 Timothy: And I followed him to shepherd the sheep within the body, but we're all following Jesus Christ.

1:09:59 Timothy: We're all following the great shepherd.

1:10:01 Timothy: I'm just a sheep.

1:10:02 Timothy: He's the shepherd.

1:10:04 Timothy: Am I making that clear?

1:10:06 Timothy: Yes.

1:10:06 Timothy: All right, then verse 21.

1:10:09 Timothy: Equipped you with everything good for doing his will.

1:10:12 Timothy: The Christian life is impossible to live unless God equips you to do it.

1:10:16 Timothy: I'm not going to repeat that again because we've covered that before.

1:10:19 Timothy: May He equip you with everything good for doing his will and may He work in us what is pleasing to him.

1:10:25 Timothy: The whole Christian life comes down to not what is pleasing to Timothy Williams, but what is pleasing to God.

1:10:32 Timothy: So how did leadership work?

1:10:34 Timothy: Well, we strive to go after what was pleasing only to God, not to please Jesus Christ.

1:10:39 Timothy: Or I mean, sorry, not to please Timothy Williams.

1:10:42 Timothy: And I I would fight whatever.

1:10:45 Timothy: It never even came to mind because we were trying to please me, right, Jacob?

1:10:48 Timothy: Correct.

1:10:49 Timothy: It just never happened because that wasn't the goal.

1:10:51 Timothy: That wasn't the purpose.

1:10:52 Timothy: That wasn't the focus.

1:10:54 Timothy: It never, ever was.

1:10:56 Timothy: It was always, what does God want us to do?

1:10:59 Timothy: What is pleasing to him through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever.

1:11:06 Timothy: Amen.

1:11:07 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

1:11:08 Timothy: Smith, I never received, you know, Man of the Year Award or Preacher of the Year.

1:11:14 Timothy: Or what are some other awards that I writer of the year?

1:11:18 Jacob: Yeah, writer of the year.

1:11:19 Jacob: Boy, that would be a joke.

1:11:21 Jacob: Conference leader of the year.

1:11:23 Jacob: Oh, yeah.

1:11:24 Jacob: All the other people get all those awards.

1:11:26 Jacob: Inspiration of the year.

1:11:27 Timothy: How come Sims doesn't go after them?

1:11:30 Jacob: I don't know.

1:11:30 Timothy: I didn't have any rewards, therefore what?

1:11:32 Timothy: I'm guilty?

1:11:34 Jacob: I guess if I would have had an award, like Well, that's because you're an evil cult leader, so you do all these things.

1:11:40 Timothy: I don't even get an evil cult leader award.

1:11:42 Jacob: Nah, that's true.

1:11:43 Timothy: You know, or the wor I really should get the worst cult leader of all time, if that was the case.

1:11:49 Timothy: Correct.

1:11:51 Timothy: Okay, let's go to 1 Peter chapter 5, verse 2.

1:11:54 Timothy: Once again, we're just driving this home because it's all through scripture, it's all through my preaching, it's all through all of the books which you've never read, but which you prosecuted me for.

1:12:03 Timothy: 1 Peter chapter 5, verse 2.

1:12:06 Timothy: Now it's talking about we've all come to the great shepherd, and now Peter's going to talk about those in leadership.

1:12:13 Timothy: So let's hone in on how did leadership work?

1:12:17 Timothy: Who was in charge?

1:12:19 Timothy: Well, I've answered over and over again.

1:12:21 Timothy: The person in charge was Jesus Christ.

1:12:23 Timothy: Not that you're going to believe that.

1:12:25 Timothy: 1 Peter chapter 5, verse 2.

1:12:26 Timothy: It says, be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers.

1:12:33 Timothy: We have Jesus Christ is the head overseer, correct?

1:12:36 Timothy: Yes.

1:12:36 Timothy: And we have Jesus Christ is the shepherd of all shepherds.

1:12:39 Timothy: He's the top shepherd, uh, shepherd of the year ward, right?

1:12:43 Timothy: Yes.

1:12:44 Timothy: Then Jesus Christ appoints who then is small time overseers or what would you call a secondary shepherd?

1:12:55 Jacob: They call uh the out there in the you know evangelical world, I think it's called like under-shepherds or under shepherds.

1:13:01 Timothy: Under shepherds?

1:13:03 Timothy: You may be right.

1:13:04 Jacob: There's a tur, I don't remember.

1:13:05 Jacob: There's a term for like the head person, and then yeah, like an under-shepherd.

1:13:10 Jacob: Like he's the shepherd.

1:13:12 Timothy: Well, so so they even have they even have the shepherds, then from what you're telling me.

1:13:16 Jacob: Oh, yeah.

1:13:17 Jacob: Even in Christian circles, this is actually a common thing that Jesus Christ is the shepherd, right?

1:13:21 Jacob: A pastor is like underneath that shepherd, and then you know, each individual church would be considered a flock, and you're following the pastor who's following Jesus Christ.

1:13:31 Jacob: This is a common, you know, you can argue about the particulars of that, but this is a common uh agreed upon thing.

1:13:38 Timothy: So I'm educating Simmons on what's just common knowledge, right, among Christian groups?

1:13:42 Timothy: Yeah.

1:13:43 Timothy: So so he just chose to believe all the slander and the lies?

1:13:46 Timothy: Yeah.

1:13:46 Timothy: You know, what do you what do you expect people to go?

1:13:48 Timothy: They go into court and they're, I don't know, divorce court or whatever.

1:13:52 Timothy: What are they gonna say?

1:13:53 Timothy: They're gonna say, I'm guilty, I'm the one at fault, I'm a terrible father, and so the marriage fell apart.

1:13:57 Timothy: No.

1:13:58 Timothy: I stopped being kind, I stopped being all these things.

1:14:00 Timothy: I stopped caring, I checked out.

1:14:02 Timothy: It would be Timothy Williams divided us, and Timothy Williams forced me to do this, and Timothy Williams authoritative, and Timothy Williams controlled everything.

1:14:08 Timothy: We've already covered this in previous episodes.

1:14:10 Timothy: It's just totally absurd.

1:14:12 Timothy: Who goes into court, Prosecutor Simmons, and says, I'm the one that's responsible for the division and this.

1:14:19 Timothy: You know, everything that Sound Doctrine did in terms of family was to try and hold it together.

1:14:23 Timothy: Correct.

1:14:23 Timothy: Try to hold it together.

1:14:25 Timothy: It had to be in relationship to the truth.

1:14:27 Timothy: And we could even have people that were in God, decided they didn't want to, and as long as they lived in peace in the household, it wasn't a problem.

1:14:35 Timothy: Correct.

1:14:36 Timothy: We did everything in our power to hold it together.

1:14:39 Timothy: Though Prosecutor Simmons, you painted it in such an ugly, vile lie of a contrary thing that any good deed was considered evil and wicked.

1:14:49 Timothy: Well, you know what you did is just extremely vile.

1:14:52 Timothy: All right.

1:14:54 Timothy: Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care.

1:14:58 Timothy: Everything that was done in terms of leadership, everything that I did, and you've reduced this down to me, was done for the benefit of those whom I serve.

1:15:09 Timothy: Serving as overseers, not because you must, but because you are willing as God wants you to be.

1:15:16 Timothy: That's why I said I'm not whining, I'm not complaining.

1:15:19 Timothy: And all right, so we're sidetracking here a little bit.

1:15:22 Timothy: Simmons, you ought to go, and I don't think we'll have time to get to it, but you ought to go follow Moses as he's leading the congregation out of Egypt.

1:15:30 Timothy: There's a lot of parallels there.

1:15:31 Timothy: I don't know whether you're a Christian or not, if you even understand the concept, but you've got the Israelites in slavery, which is compared to our sin.

1:15:38 Timothy: Moses leads them out.

1:15:39 Timothy: God miraculously delivers them.

1:15:41 Timothy: They get baptized in the Red Sea, it gets split, they move on, and then they get out of the desert, and things get a little bit tough and a little gets rough.

1:15:49 Timothy: And what happens, Jacob?

1:15:50 Timothy: Does the congregation go, oh, we've seen God work and all these miracles, and we've been delivered, and everything was great and hunky dory, and now we're out in the desert, so we're going to have a prayer meeting and trust God and give thanks.

1:16:01 Timothy: No, definitely not.

1:16:02 Timothy: That's what happened at Sound Doctrine Church to a very large degree.

1:16:06 Timothy: They got out in the desert.

1:16:07 Timothy: It gets a little tough.

1:16:09 Timothy: You got to pick up the cross.

1:16:10 Timothy: You know, governing authorities come after you and things like that.

1:16:13 Timothy: And so you wind up complaining, grumbling, and then you wind up betraying and leaving Jesus Christ, at least some of them.

1:16:19 Timothy: So if you want to know what happened and what part you played in it, just go read that story.

1:16:24 Timothy: You're part of the enemy camp that came in and divided the congregation.

1:16:28 Timothy: Serious stuff.

1:16:29 Timothy: All right.

1:16:31 Timothy: Serving because, not because you must, but because you are willing as God wants you to be.

1:16:36 Timothy: Not greedy for money, but eager to serve.

1:16:40 Timothy: Nobody's going to believe it, but Jacob, let's just do the testimony before God and before man.

1:16:47 Timothy: Am I greedy for money?

1:16:49 Timothy: No.

1:16:50 Timothy: Am I not eager to serve, looking to constantly give away?

1:16:54 Timothy: Yes.

1:16:55 Timothy: I wish I had more opportunities.

1:16:57 Timothy: Then 1 Peter 5, 3, there is an authority with leadership, Mr.

1:17:02 Timothy: Simmons.

1:17:02 Timothy: It's there to protect, to guide even the shepherd of shepherds.

1:17:07 Timothy: It says, Thy rod and thy sa staff, they comfort me.

1:17:10 Timothy: The rod and the staff is used to guide, direct, use a symbol, also to tap on the head, to do a few things to make sure people the sheep stay in line, because they're very vulnerable to wolves who come in and just scatter the flock.

1:17:23 Timothy: All right, first Peter 5 3, not lording it over them.

1:17:28 Timothy: Not lordering it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

1:17:34 Timothy: Did I ever lord it over anybody that I was in leadership?

1:17:38 Timothy: No.

1:17:39 Timothy: What's ironic about this is there's a lot of pastors who do do that.

1:17:42 Jacob: Correct.

1:17:43 Jacob: A lot of pastors will be like, the Lord has put me here.

1:17:47 Jacob: I'm in charge.

1:17:48 Jacob: You're supposed to follow me.

1:17:50 Jacob: Follow me.

1:17:50 Timothy: Yeah, but I have a calling and I have a mission.

1:17:52 Jacob: I have a calling, I have a mission.

1:17:54 Jacob: Yeah.

1:17:55 Timothy: I did none of those things.

1:17:56 Timothy: For one thing, the reason I didn't is I didn't believe any of that.

1:17:59 Timothy: It just is not in my heart.

1:18:00 Jacob: It didn't, yeah.

1:18:01 Jacob: Like it didn't, you didn't say those things because you didn't register.

1:18:04 Jacob: That's why.

1:18:05 Jacob: I'm too big.

1:18:06 Jacob: Yeah, when when anywhere in the books, where does it say I, Timothy Williams, the writer of this book, decree that everyone was follow me?

1:18:13 Jacob: Or in the multitude of sermons.

1:18:15 Jacob: Yeah.

1:18:16 Jacob: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:18:17 Jacob: There's tons of recorded sermons.

1:18:18 Jacob: Or the awards delivered.

1:18:20 Timothy: Delivered by the congregation.

1:18:22 Timothy: Like I said, I'm the world's worst cult leader.

1:18:24 Timothy: All right, but being examples to the flock.

1:18:28 Timothy: Jacob, did I not work harder than anybody else in the congregation?

1:18:34 Timothy: Yes.

1:18:35 Timothy: Did I not give more than anybody in the congregation?

1:18:39 Timothy: Yes.

1:18:39 Timothy: And did I not love deeper than anybody in the congregation?

1:18:45 Timothy: Yes.

1:18:46 Timothy: All of those things are true.

1:18:48 Timothy: And I'm going to say our conscience is clear before God.

1:18:51 Timothy: We are we are accountable for our words, Mr.

1:18:54 Timothy: Simmons.

1:18:54 Timothy: We don't get promoted if we lied.

1:18:56 Timothy: Well, unless you consider hell a promotion, which I don't consider that.

1:19:00 Timothy: Plus, there's no joy in lies.

1:19:02 Timothy: You know, we talk about hell a lot.

1:19:04 Timothy: I remember Simmons.

1:19:05 Timothy: Were you afraid of going to hell?

1:19:06 Timothy: Yeah.

1:19:07 Timothy: By the way, Mr.

1:19:08 Timothy: Simmons, that only lasts about six weeks.

1:19:10 Timothy: Meaning when people come to Jesus Christ, hell only motivates people for about six weeks.

1:19:14 Timothy: It gets their attention.

1:19:15 Timothy: They come in.

1:19:16 Timothy: I'm not telling you they're not ever convicted about it, or there's not fear and trembling and working out your salvation.

1:19:21 Timothy: But it was not a motivating factor.

1:19:23 Timothy: You cannot motivate people with the threat of hell.

1:19:26 Timothy: No.

1:19:26 Timothy: You can awaken them, you can get them to think, you can humble them, you can get their attention, but you cannot motivate them with hell.

1:19:36 Timothy: Otherwise, every demon would be a saint.

1:19:40 Timothy: In fact, every criminal you prosecute and all the heavy laws you like to bring on everybody, wouldn't everybody then become law-abiding citizens?

1:19:49 Timothy: If hell worked.

1:19:50 Timothy: Correct.

1:19:50 Timothy: If pressured worked, if prosecution worked, if this heavy-handed thing wouldn't keep everybody in line?

1:19:55 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:56 Timothy: Well, for last I could tell Washington State's in the worst shape it's ever been in terms of legal things, moral things, or whatever, right?

1:20:02 Jacob: Yes.

1:20:03 Jacob: The cr crime is up.

1:20:04 Jacob: Everything is worse than it's ever been before.

1:20:07 Jacob: So clearly their tactics are not working.

1:20:09 Timothy: Right.

1:20:10 Timothy: And so they want to make sure mine doesn't work, obviously, for uh what's called love and grace.

1:20:14 Timothy: Again, hell is never a motivating factor.

1:20:17 Timothy: It it wakes that that's why when you said, Were you afraid of hell and that's why you kept quiet?

1:20:22 Timothy: That is the most bogus lie.

1:20:24 Timothy: And I keep saying they're all the most bogus lies.

1:20:27 Timothy: Hell wasn't even emphasized.

1:20:29 Timothy: In fact, I think at one point uh the defense attorney turned and said, Well, isn't the greater lie to cover up if this were going on?

1:20:36 Timothy: And the manipulated accusers said, Well, I don't understand the question.

1:20:41 Timothy: Well, somebody that's afraid of hell would understand that question.

1:20:45 Timothy: Sure.

1:20:46 Timothy: But because in fact, I think there's maybe four sermons on hell, and they go back 30 years ago.

1:20:52 Timothy: Again, I'm repeating myself over and over again, but it is not a motivating factor at all.

1:20:58 Timothy: It only gets people's attention, and that's why God just doesn't hang you.

1:21:02 Timothy: Look, if God came to Simmons and hung him over the fires of hell and then backed off, he's not going to repent because of that.

1:21:10 Timothy: There's all kinds of people that God could do that and bring them back, and they're going to go right back to sinning.

1:21:15 Timothy: All the people that are screaming in hell right now, give us another chance, let us out.

1:21:20 Timothy: God knows that if he pulled them out, pulled back the fires and brought them back, they'd go right back to their sinning.

1:21:24 Timothy: It doesn't change the heart.

1:21:26 Timothy: Yeah.

1:21:27 Timothy: It does bring about justice.

1:21:28 Timothy: It does bring about God's justice, and it does wake us up to get there.

1:21:33 Timothy: It got my attention when I was first a child.

1:21:37 Timothy: Well, used to be when you raised your children, you say, Don't do that.

1:21:41 Timothy: That's bad.

1:21:42 Timothy: That was supposed to be a scary thing, right?

1:21:44 Timothy: And the idea is to a child that's coming in, you can impress that child with threats of saying, no, don't do that, a lot easier than you can an 18-year-old.

1:21:52 Timothy: Correct.

1:21:53 Timothy: Well, that's the whole point.

1:21:54 Timothy: It works with children that are first coming to Jesus Christ.

1:21:58 Timothy: It works with people that are first coming in and needing to understand, look, your soul is in jeopardy, you need to wake up, but it will not, I know I'm repeating, will not carry people through.

1:22:09 Timothy: And so that wasn't a major element within Sound Doctrine Church.

1:22:15 Timothy: First Peter 5, 4.

1:22:16 Timothy: Jacob, would you read that for us again, please?

1:22:19 Jacob: And when the chief shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

1:22:25 Timothy: The chief shepherd.

1:22:28 Timothy: Peter's preaching that he is supposed to feed the sheep and he is supposed to be a shepherd, but we all are focused in on the great shepherd.

1:22:37 Timothy: At Sound Doctrine Church, how leadership work was determining what God's will was, praying for God to provide the strength, wisdom, the means, and the power to do that will.

1:22:47 Timothy: And so everybody's attention was upon Jesus Christ.

1:22:51 Timothy: And I was just there to oversee, to protect, to teach, to guide, to lay down my life, to set the example in selfless love, to set the example when being persecuted, to set the example in godliness.

1:23:05 Timothy: Jacob played the no hireling again, and we're going to start diving into that scripture.

1:23:14 SPEAKER_07: It's prosecutor Jason Simmons Bible study time, part two.

1:23:21 SPEAKER_07: Topic Leadership by Shepherding.

1:23:24 SPEAKER_07: The lesson.

1:23:31 SPEAKER_07: One who is hired, serving for personal benefit.

1:23:37 SPEAKER_07: D Consider PCAT.

1:23:42 SPEAKER_07: Examinate today's wisdom.

1:23:44 SPEAKER_07: Following in madness.

1:24:11 SPEAKER_03: Therefore, Jesus said again, I tell you the truth.

1:24:14 SPEAKER_03: I am the gate for the sheep.

1:24:17 SPEAKER_03: All whoever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.

1:24:23 SPEAKER_03: I am the gate.

1:24:24 SPEAKER_03: Whoever enters through me will be saved.

1:24:27 SPEAKER_03: He will come in and go out and find pasture.

1:24:31 SPEAKER_03: The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

1:24:35 SPEAKER_03: I have come that they might have life and have it to the full.

1:24:39 SPEAKER_03: I am the good shepherd.

1:24:41 SPEAKER_03: The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

1:24:45 SPEAKER_03: The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep.

1:24:48 SPEAKER_03: So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away.

1:24:54 SPEAKER_03: Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

1:24:57 SPEAKER_03: The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

1:25:03 SPEAKER_03: I am the good shepherd.

1:25:05 SPEAKER_03: I know my sheep, and my sheep know me, just as the Father knows me, and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep.

1:25:16 SPEAKER_03: John chapter 10.

1:25:19 Timothy: Jacob, did you catch the insult?

1:25:24 Timothy: No.

1:25:25 Timothy: Let's look at that.

1:25:26 Timothy: He's he Jesus just insulted everybody that came before him.

1:25:32 Timothy: Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.

1:25:37 Timothy: Kind of we see that all the time.

1:25:39 Timothy: Therefore Jesus said again, I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.

1:25:46 Timothy: All whoever came before me were thieves and robbers.

1:25:52 Timothy: But the sheep did not listen to them.

1:25:53 Timothy: Who's he talking about?

1:25:56 Timothy: All the other prophets.

1:25:57 Timothy: That's right.

1:25:58 Timothy: Moses, Jeremiah, all the prophets.

1:26:01 Timothy: Gideon, go down the line, right?

1:26:03 Timothy: Yeah.

1:26:04 Timothy: He just me, technically, he insulted everybody.

1:26:08 Timothy: Let me read that again.

1:26:10 Timothy: I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.

1:26:13 Timothy: All whoever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.

1:26:18 Timothy: Well, it's pretty evident all through the Old Testament.

1:26:20 Timothy: They didn't listen to him, right?

1:26:21 Timothy: Correct.

1:26:22 Timothy: The point he's making is Simmons, I am unclean.

1:26:26 Timothy: I'm not worthy to be looked up to.

1:26:29 Timothy: He's the great shepherd.

1:26:31 Timothy: He's the one that's holy.

1:26:32 Timothy: He is the example.

1:26:34 Timothy: And when God would, if God measured every prophet, every godly man by his holiness, we come up as thieves and robbers.

1:26:43 Timothy: We may be holy to our contemporaries, but according to God, the truth is we're undone and we're needed need of grace.

1:26:53 Timothy: Does that make sense?

1:26:54 Timothy: Yes.

1:26:56 Timothy: It says they were thieves and robbers and they did not listen to them.

1:26:59 Timothy: That's everybody.

1:27:01 Timothy: All right, Jesus goes on to say, and this is why Jesus Christ was preached at Sound Doctrine Church, worshipped at Sound Doctrine Church.

1:27:08 Timothy: That's why every scripture, every commandment, everything was pointed back to Jesus Christ.

1:27:14 Timothy: Because compared to Jesus Christ, we are undone no matter who we are.

1:27:18 Timothy: I am the gate, Jesus says.

1:27:20 Timothy: Whoever enters through me will be saved.

1:27:24 Timothy: Nobody was in their fear of losing their salvation because if they went to Jesus Christ, they will be saved.

1:27:31 Timothy: He will come in and go out and find pasture.

1:27:34 Timothy: The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

1:27:37 Timothy: I have come that they may have life and have it to the full.

1:27:40 Timothy: There was a time period when most people in Sound Doctrine Church had the abundant life and the taste of it.

1:27:47 Timothy: You managed to scatter, destroy, and many left because Jesus promised in the last days the love of most will go cold, many would leave the faith and hate and betray one another.

1:27:57 Timothy: I don't know how much other truth I can give you, Mr.

1:27:59 Timothy: Simmons.

1:28:00 Timothy: That you use those people in that situation to prosecute Jesus Christ is beyond shameful.

1:28:07 Timothy: Any comments, Jacob?

1:28:08 Timothy: No.

1:28:09 Timothy: Jesus goes on to repeat, again, I am the good shepherd.

1:28:12 Timothy: Everybody else was thieves and robbers.

1:28:14 Timothy: The good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep.

1:28:17 Timothy: The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep.

1:28:21 Timothy: So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away.

1:28:26 Timothy: What Jesus Christ is pointing out to that if I'm following Jesus Christ, and I'm saying me personally, he's going to make me into his image, correct?

1:28:35 Timothy: Jacob, have I ever betrayed anybody?

1:28:39 Timothy: No.

1:28:40 Timothy: I have been betrayed many, many times, but I haven't I've laid down my life.

1:28:45 Timothy: Even through all the persecution and the prosecutions and the things that went on, did I abandon any of the situation or even Malcolm Frazier or the truth or any aspect try to gain for myself?

1:28:56 Timothy: No.

1:28:56 Timothy: You know, one of the biggest examples of proof I mean, absolute 100% proof that Sound Dr.

1:29:03 Timothy: Church was not about following a cult leader named Timothy Williams was the fact that when the pressure came in and it came in hard and heavy because you did the pressure, Prosecutor Simmons, and all of you five King County prosecutors and judges.

1:29:17 Timothy: Did I abandon Malcolm Fraser?

1:29:19 Timothy: Did I abandon the situation?

1:29:21 Timothy: No.

1:29:21 Timothy: I went down to the bitter end.

1:29:23 Timothy: Because any other shepherd, what does every other church do?

1:29:26 Timothy: Somebody gets accused, and what do they immediately do, Jacob?

1:29:29 Timothy: Back away.

1:29:30 Timothy: Back away.

1:29:30 Timothy: He's removed from his position.

1:29:32 Timothy: And this over here, they immediately abandon.

1:29:34 Timothy: There's not even the presumption of innocence.

1:29:36 Timothy: It's automatically that you're guilty.

1:29:38 Timothy: Because everybody's trying to save their church.

1:29:41 Timothy: Everybody's trying to save their position, their money, their influence.

1:29:45 Timothy: If I was at all about me, I would have tried to save Wine Press Publishing, Sound Doctrine Church, and whatever.

1:29:53 Timothy: What else did we have going on?

1:29:54 Timothy: Tons of stuff.

1:29:55 Jacob: Well, your own wife usually would have been like, you know, that's super common within a church, even on that level, besides persecution, but you know what I mean?

1:30:03 Jacob: Oh, he's gonna step away to you know help his family.

1:30:07 Jacob: He's gonna step away to do this, he's gonna step away because he's got all these other things on his plate.

1:30:12 Timothy: You certainly don't step up and say this is the truth and you're all wrong.

1:30:15 Timothy: Correct.

1:30:18 Timothy: How much more proof can I offer you than that?

1:30:21 Timothy: In fact, there was one lady in town, my name is Timothy, by the way, which has to do with being faithful, standing by Paul.

1:30:27 Timothy: And she made a comment to somebody else who goes, She goes, Yeah, his name really is Timothy.

1:30:32 Timothy: It is very clear.

1:30:33 Timothy: I was not about saving me.

1:30:34 Timothy: In fact, I was putting myself in harm's way over and over again because I'm being made in the image of Jesus Christ.

1:30:43 Timothy: Not because I'm anything.

1:30:45 Timothy: In my sinful nature, I'm a thief and I'm a robber.

1:30:48 Timothy: I'm all the things that are bad and sinful, but I am in the process of repenting of those things, picking up my cross, hating my own life, allowing the things to happen to me that God has ordained in order that I might be purified in his holiness and in his righteousness.

1:31:06 Timothy: I am the good shepherd, Jesus says.

1:31:08 Timothy: The good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep, and I did that all through your little persecution game.

1:31:14 Timothy: The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep.

1:31:17 Timothy: So when he sees the wolf coming, and you guys were certainly you made yourselves the wolves.

1:31:21 Timothy: You're again the ones that said, What are you gonna do when you can't meet anymore?

1:31:24 Timothy: You purposely ran us out of town.

1:31:28 Timothy: If there ever was a malicious prosecution, it's evident everywhere in this situation.

1:31:34 Timothy: It says, when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away.

1:31:39 Timothy: Jacob, did I abandon the sheep and run away?

1:31:42 Timothy: No.

1:31:43 Timothy: Not at on any level.

1:31:45 Timothy: Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

1:31:49 Timothy: Well, you accomplished that.

1:31:51 Timothy: You did that for sure.

1:31:52 Timothy: The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

1:31:58 Timothy: If I was in it for a paycheck, if I was, you know, you believe the lie that I stole Wine Press Publishing and you went with that, and Satisberg even sent me uh second in hand messages saying, Yeah, we're gonna prosecute her.

1:32:11 Timothy: We know you did that.

1:32:12 Timothy: And all bunch of yeah, I'd welcome you to bring it on.

1:32:14 Timothy: And then we have a video out there of the accountant proving with facts, with evidence, with paperwork that I did not steal the business.

1:32:22 Timothy: Have you prosecuted those people for perjury and for getting King County prosecutors all excited and putting an innocent man in prison?

1:32:29 Timothy: No, because you care nothing.

1:32:32 Timothy: You want to hold on to your life.

1:32:34 Timothy: You're a thief and a robber, and you will not lay down your life for the truth on any level.

1:32:39 Timothy: So you're willing to leave this massive wide destruction in place and an innocent man in prison, even though we have exposed all the lies and all the things that Detective McCall are up to and all the hate crime that went on, all these people, and how everything is just clouded up with a sinful accusation.

1:32:59 Timothy: You're willing to do that and to eventually face judgment with that because why?

1:33:05 Timothy: You're a thief and you're a robber.

1:33:07 Timothy: You love yourself, and so you're stealing from God.

1:33:11 Timothy: It says the man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

1:33:17 Timothy: Jesus is laying out a contrast.

1:33:19 Timothy: This is who you are, the shepherd, whatever, apart from me.

1:33:24 Timothy: Jesus says, I am the good shepherd.

1:33:27 Timothy: I know my sheep, and my sheep know me.

1:33:31 Timothy: This is the truth and the reality.

1:33:33 Timothy: I know Jesus Christ, and he knows me, and he's making me in his image.

1:33:38 Timothy: Why do you think we were prosecuted and persecuted?

1:33:42 Timothy: Just as the Father knows me, and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep.

1:33:47 Timothy: You know, Jesus is saying, Do you notice the humility here, Jacob?

1:33:51 Timothy: He goes, just as I know the Father and the Father knows me, right?

1:33:56 Timothy: There's no grandstanding here by Jesus.

1:33:58 Timothy: He's not going, I know the Father, and the Father knows me.

1:34:02 Timothy: Don't you hear pastors bragging and boasting about God's ministry and all this going on?

1:34:07 Timothy: He he states a fact that I know the father and the father knows me.

1:34:11 Timothy: But there's no boasting, there's no pride, there's no what am I what are the adjuvants I'm looking for here, Jacob?

1:34:17 Timothy: There's no exaltation of who he is.

1:34:20 Jacob: Yeah, there's no boasting.

1:34:21 Jacob: The focus isn't on him.

1:34:23 Jacob: So he doesn't go on and on about himself and how amazing he is and right.

1:34:27 Timothy: And then he says, I know and I lay down my life for the sheep.

1:34:30 Timothy: It comes back to the humility.

1:34:32 Timothy: This is what and remember, Mr.

1:34:34 Timothy: Simmons, since we're following the great shepherd, and God is demanding or guiding, however you want to look at it, that Jesus Christ lay down his life on the cross for the sheep, constantly giving himself to the sheep, and we're following that particular shepherd where it's gonna lead for us to do.

1:34:53 Timothy: Everything at Sound Doctrine Church was done for Jesus Christ, not for Timothy Williams, not in any way, shape, or form.

1:35:04 Timothy: We're probably gonna need to stop there and we'll continue on with this on the next podcast.

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1:35:41 SPEAKER_07: Prosecutor Jason Simmons, Bible Study Time, Part 3.

Appearance Versus The Heart

1:35:48 SPEAKER_07: Topic Leadership without persuasive words, leadership without eloquence, leadership without superior wisdom, leadership that is the opposite of King County Courts of Washington State.

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1:36:19 Timothy: How's it going today, today, Jacob?

1:36:22 Timothy: Doing good.

1:36:22 Timothy: See if I can't get untongue-tied here.

1:36:26 Timothy: Um, you know, we're talking about leadership, and I got to thinking about my meal that I had with Chef Ramsey.

1:36:32 Timothy: You remember that?

1:36:33 Timothy: We went uh had that.

1:36:35 Timothy: You don't remember me having a meal with Chef Ramsey?

1:36:38 Jacob: No.

1:36:38 Timothy: Well, yeah, we had we had an Italian meal, and I wore, you know, I have those, whatever those super secret Google glasses that you can hook a camera to and stuff, kind of an undercover kind of thing.

1:36:49 Jacob: No, I don't remember this.

1:36:50 Timothy: Yeah, we'd been dialoguing back and forth and you know, just general chit-chat and stuff.

1:36:54 Timothy: And I suggest, well, why don't we go have an Italian meal kind of thing?

1:36:57 Timothy: And we went to an Italian restaurant and sit down.

1:37:00 Timothy: Now, what what you're gonna see is I'm recording his response and what he's looking at.

1:37:05 Timothy: I thought people might enjoy that and it'll kind of give a real contrast here.

1:37:08 Timothy: So go ahead, go ahead and play that encounter.

1:37:13 SPEAKER_05: I hope his extra commitment in the kitchen is reflected in the standard of his food.

1:37:19 SPEAKER_06: You can close your eyes and actually count flavours, steps, the walnuts, the pasta.

1:37:26 SPEAKER_06: Very good.

1:37:29 SPEAKER_05: I'm pleased to see he's stuck to a small, very simple Italian menu, and everything's freshly cooked.

1:37:35 SPEAKER_06: This is the kind of food.

1:37:40 SPEAKER_06: It should be seven.

1:37:41 SPEAKER_06: Real, hearty, rustic, wholesome Italian food.

1:37:46 SPEAKER_06: Rich with tomatoes, nice texture in the meatball, a perfectly cooked linguini.

1:37:53 SPEAKER_06: Lovely.

1:37:56 SPEAKER_06: Is Lechu ready for Alex Scott?

1:38:00 Timothy: You don't remember that, Jacob?

1:38:01 Jacob: Uh no, I don't remember this.

1:38:03 Timothy: Well, yeah, I remember sitting down with him, and uh I think I ordered uh I at first I asked if they had any Shep ARD, you know, ravioli kind of thing.

1:38:10 Timothy: Yeah.

1:38:10 Timothy: And they didn't.

1:38:11 Timothy: So they delivered that kind of thing, and then I wanted some extra garlic salt, especially on the breadsticks and that kind of thing.

1:38:17 Timothy: So we we we sat down together and and had that meal and recorded it.

1:38:21 Jacob: Wow.

1:38:22 Timothy: My question for you, well, let me first go on to say, yeah, it kind of went south later because I shared the scripture, Philippians 3.19, that says their destiny is destruction, their God is their stomach, their glory is their shame, and their mind is unearthly things.

1:38:37 Timothy: So it kind of went downhill from there.

1:38:40 Timothy: Um that's why the the meal was cut short.

1:38:42 Timothy: Ah.

1:38:43 Timothy: All right, so here's the bottom line question.

1:38:44 Timothy: Here's my point.

1:38:45 Timothy: And just to be on the record, no, I don't know Chef Ramsey, and no, we didn't sit down for an Italian meal, and no, I didn't get to share the scripture with him.

1:38:54 Timothy: My question for you is this, Jacob.

1:38:56 Timothy: When Chef Ramsey sits down at a table to eat a meal, and when I sit down and eat the same meal, is it the same thing?

1:39:06 Jacob: No.

1:39:07 Timothy: Why is it not the same thing?

1:39:09 Jacob: Um, because food for the stomach and stomach for the food, and Ramsey is like super into it.

1:39:16 Jacob: He wants to close his eyes and count the flavors.

1:39:19 Timothy: Exactly.

1:39:20 Timothy: And he he also and let's go past you know the negative sim part and whether that's all there.

1:39:25 Timothy: Because I'm sure it was a good meal.

1:39:26 Timothy: Don't get me wrong.

1:39:27 Timothy: I'm sure it tasted good.

1:39:29 Timothy: But look how he's trained, his palate and what he can taste and what he expects and the service, and he goes down through detail.

1:39:37 Timothy: He's not just sitting down to a meal, like you and I might be, okay, this is a good lunch, and let's move on and do something else, or what's for dessert?

1:39:44 Timothy: I you know, I don't know if you go there.

1:39:46 Timothy: So there's a difference.

1:39:47 Timothy: If you judge by mere appearance, like you walk into the restaurant and you didn't really know who Chef Ramsey was, and he's sitting there, and I'm sitting there with my little glasses on there, and we both order spaghetti.

1:39:58 Timothy: Would you be able to tell there was a difference?

1:40:02 Jacob: Well, yeah, because again, he's like super into it.

1:40:05 Timothy: No, but but no, you're just looking at it another table.

1:40:08 Jacob: Oh, you mean the No, the food itself is the same.

1:40:10 Timothy: Food is the same, but when you look when you look at Chef Rams eating and you look at me eating, would you be able to tell any difference without his commentary?

1:40:17 Jacob: Oh, without no, not without his commentary, no.

1:40:20 Jacob: It would just be two dudes eating spaghetti and meatballs.

1:40:23 Timothy: Right.

1:40:23 Timothy: So from the surface of things, it's the same behavior.

1:40:26 Timothy: Correct.

1:40:27 Timothy: But what's going on inside and how that's translated, and he's a multimillionaire, and I'm by no means even close to multimillionaire.

1:40:34 Timothy: So there's a there's a difference in the life and what goes on, correct?

1:40:38 Timothy: Correct.

1:40:38 Timothy: Mr.

1:40:39 Timothy: Simmons, that's the difference between your leadership and my leadership.

1:40:43 Timothy: We're sitting down at the same table to those on the surface of things, you're in leadership or King County prosecutors in leadership, and I have a leadership function, but there is no relationship or common ground between the two.

1:40:57 Timothy: They're completely different things.

1:41:00 Timothy: To put it more in perspective, um, Prosecutor Simmons is more Shepway R D, and mine's more um Chef Ramsey.

1:41:07 Jacob: Yeah, it would be flipped, isn't that?

1:41:09 Timothy: Yeah.

1:41:10 Timothy: What happens is people just judge things by mere appearance.

1:41:13 Timothy: And Jesus, of course, we won't look at the scripture today, he says, stop judging by mere appearance.

1:41:16 Timothy: Two people can be doing the same things, but it's a totally different spiritual concept, a totally different attitude of the heart.

1:41:24 Timothy: One's coming, you know, he didn't pray.

1:41:26 Timothy: Chef Ramsey didn't pray before he ate the meal and thank God for the fine meal, did he?

1:41:29 Timothy: No.

1:41:30 Timothy: I would have prayed and thanked God for the fine meal and been thankful the whole day that God provided that food.

1:41:35 Timothy: So there's a difference even in spiritual quality that was going on.

1:41:39 Timothy: That's the whole point we're looking at concerning leadership.

1:41:43 Timothy: And when Chef Bayard measures my leadership by a fine Italian meal, he's going to commit evil and sin.

1:41:51 Timothy: Go ahead and play the intro and let's get started, Jacob.

1:41:55 SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

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1:42:07 SPEAKER_00: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

Do You Love Me Feed My Sheep

1:42:14 Timothy: Let's kind of jump right into it.

1:42:16 Timothy: Let's go to John chapter 21, verses 15 through 19.

1:42:21 Timothy: Jacob, go ahead and play the audio file of this so people can get a brushstroke of what we're going to discuss and kind of look at in a little more detail.

1:42:29 Timothy: You know, we're going to go in with the palate here and look and oh, this is defined well over here, and this is good.

1:42:33 Timothy: We're going to savor the word of God.

1:42:37 SPEAKER_03: When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of John, do you truly love me more than these?

1:42:47 SPEAKER_03: Yes, Lord, he said, You know that I love you.

1:42:50 SPEAKER_03: Jesus said, Feed my lambs.

1:42:53 SPEAKER_03: Again, Jesus said, Simon, son of John, do you truly love me?

1:43:00 SPEAKER_03: He answered, Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.

1:43:03 SPEAKER_03: Jesus said, Take care of my sheep.

1:43:08 SPEAKER_03: The third time he said to him, Simon, son of John, do you love me?

1:43:13 SPEAKER_03: Peter was hurt because Jesus had asked him a third time, Do you love me?

1:43:19 SPEAKER_03: He said, Lord, you know all things.

1:43:22 SPEAKER_03: You know that I love you.

1:43:24 SPEAKER_03: Jesus said, Feed my sheep.

1:43:28 SPEAKER_03: I tell you the truth.

1:43:29 SPEAKER_03: When you were younger, you dressed yourself and went where you wanted.

1:43:33 SPEAKER_03: But when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

1:43:42 SPEAKER_03: Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.

1:43:48 SPEAKER_03: Then he said to him, Follow me.

1:43:51 SPEAKER_03: John chapter 21.

1:43:54 SPEAKER_08: There's a lot there.

1:43:56 SPEAKER_08: Any quick thoughts on that, Jacob?

1:43:59 SPEAKER_11: No.

1:44:01 SPEAKER_08: Prosecutor Simmons What God is looking for are leaders that love the flock.

1:44:10 Timothy: But if you know even a basic part of the story of Peter, what did he wind up doing to Jesus before he was put into a position of leadership, Jacob?

1:44:18 Jacob: He denied him.

1:44:20 Timothy: Denied him three times, betrayed him.

1:44:22 Timothy: Now, if Simmons would have been prosecuting during that time, he would have said, Did you ever leave Jesus Christ?

1:44:29 Timothy: Did you ever leave Sound Doctrine Church?

1:44:31 Timothy: In fact, you did that question.

1:44:34 Timothy: And we don't have time to look at it today, but Scripture says that your name will be erased from the book of life for that kind of attack.

1:44:43 Timothy: What you fail to realize is that God goes through and begins to break those whom he is calling to leadership.

1:44:50 Timothy: Peter will have an authority.

1:44:52 Timothy: It's not the Catholic authority where the, you know, the Catholic Church is supposedly based upon Peter.

1:44:58 Timothy: This is an authority that comes from Jesus Christ.

1:45:00 Timothy: But before a man ever gets in that position or is put forth in that position, God is going to crush him and to break him and to humble him.

1:45:10 Timothy: Once again, I'm repeating over and over again, if you see any authority, any boldness, any courage, it is the boldness of Jesus Christ.

1:45:19 Timothy: It is the courage of Jesus Christ, but it comes from a foundation of humility and brokenness.

1:45:27 Timothy: When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, you know, usually you're eating, you're full, you're all comfortable, right?

1:45:32 Timothy: Jesus comes in when we're that comfortable and we're all settled back.

1:45:36 Timothy: And I'm sure Peter's sitting there going, Well, I'm sitting here, I'm just going to lay quiet because I'm, you know, I don't know where my standing is.

1:45:43 Timothy: So Jesus goes directly to him.

1:45:45 Timothy: There's no there's no gameplay, just like this Bible study.

1:45:48 Timothy: There's no gameplay.

1:45:49 Timothy: I'm not, there's no wordies, you know, around the corner, soft.

1:45:53 Timothy: There's no flattery going on.

1:45:54 Timothy: He goes, Simon, son of John, do you truly love me more than these?

1:45:59 Timothy: Now, now, what's he mean by these?

1:46:02 Timothy: He just got through eating a meal.

1:46:04 Timothy: Do you love me more than the things of this world, the more than the food?

1:46:08 Timothy: He's striking at what caused Peter to deny Jesus.

1:46:12 Timothy: Peter was listening too much to his belly, to his flesh, his comfort.

1:46:16 Timothy: Remember, he's before the fire getting himself warm.

1:46:20 Timothy: So Jesus is saying, Do you love me more than the comforts of this world?

1:46:25 Timothy: The leadership that God had worked at Sound Doctrine Church and that I was doing was way past my comfort and my ease.

1:46:32 Timothy: I'm sure that slander is out there that all of us, but was there anything about my life that showed I was comfortable, Jacob?

1:46:38 Timothy: No.

1:46:39 Timothy: It was a constant state of being uncomfortable, actually.

1:46:42 Timothy: Being crucified with Jesus is uncomfortable.

1:46:44 Timothy: Now Peter does say, yes, Lord.

1:46:46 Timothy: He said, You know that I love you.

1:46:49 Timothy: So what's Jesus' command?

1:46:50 Timothy: Feed my lambs.

1:46:51 Timothy: We go from earthly food, earthly comfort.

1:46:55 Timothy: We go from Chef Ramsay down to give it away and feed my lambs.

1:47:01 Timothy: Again, Jesus said, he doesn't say to Peter, good, I'm glad you say you love me.

1:47:06 Timothy: You know, he just doesn't pause there.

1:47:07 Timothy: Jesus will keep going until self is wounded, till self is being crucified, till pride is being humbled.

1:47:15 Timothy: And that's why a lot of people leave the gospel or don't even show up at church or they belong for a short period of time.

1:47:21 Timothy: Because Jesus doesn't just ask the question one more time.

1:47:25 Timothy: He will keep coming to us over and over again until we give up the pride, till we give up the sin.

1:47:31 Timothy: And if we don't, we'll either leave or he'll quit asking and then you just go your merry way.

1:47:35 Timothy: Or like Judas, you go out to betray.

1:47:38 Timothy: Again, Jesus said, Simon, son of John, do you truly love me?

1:47:43 Timothy: Man, those are cutting words.

1:47:44 Timothy: First of all, you have to commend Peter.

1:47:46 Timothy: Because he does he leave the room and stomp off?

1:47:49 Timothy: No.

1:47:49 Timothy: How dare you ask me?

1:47:51 Timothy: Of course I love you.

1:47:52 Timothy: You're just being judgmental.

1:47:53 Timothy: Or what's the Greek word, Jacob?

1:47:55 Timothy: I don't know for judgmental.

1:47:57 Timothy: Judgy.

1:47:57 Jacob: Oh, judgy, yeah.

1:47:58 Timothy: You're being judgy.

1:47:59 Timothy: Yeah.

1:48:00 Timothy: So he doesn't storm out, leave the room.

1:48:02 Timothy: He doesn't leave the church and then start slandering and say, Jesus is just so judgy and he thinks he's boss and he thinks he's king, and all the other disciples were laughing at me and all of these things.

1:48:11 Timothy: He doesn't go do any of that, does he?

1:48:12 Timothy: He doesn't go out and lie about Jesus Christ.

1:48:15 Timothy: He takes it.

1:48:16 Timothy: He understands the power of the cross.

1:48:20 Timothy: He knows Jesus Christ is the great shepherd, the overseer of our soul, and he's willing to take it and take it in.

1:48:29 Timothy: Again, Jesus said, Simon, son of John, do you truly love me?

1:48:36 Timothy: He answered, Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.

1:48:40 Timothy: You can imagine the frustration, because he by this time he knows who Jesus is.

1:48:44 Timothy: Right?

1:48:44 Timothy: He knows he's resurrected, he knows he knows all things.

1:48:50 Timothy: But he's got a good heart about what he's saying.

1:48:52 Timothy: He's not he's not being defensive, and again, an evil person would see he's being defensive, but but Peter's going, You know my heart.

1:49:00 Timothy: And it's true that Jesus knows his heart, doesn't he?

1:49:03 Timothy: Yes.

1:49:04 Timothy: But you have to go through the discipline, you have to go through the humbling process.

1:49:10 Timothy: How many times have I been told by people, well, I love God or I know that he loves me?

1:49:14 Timothy: And God's bringing something new to them or trying to crucify them more to bless them and turn them from their wicked ways, and they'll go, but God knows I love him.

1:49:22 Timothy: And they're using it as a defense to keep Jesus away.

1:49:26 Timothy: The third time he said to him, Simon, son of John, do you love me?

1:49:32 Timothy: Now we finally get down to the pain of the cross.

1:49:35 Timothy: What does it say, G or uh Peter, or what does it say, Jacob?

1:49:39 Timothy: Peter was hurt.

1:49:41 Timothy: He was hurt.

1:49:42 Timothy: It finally cut.

1:49:44 Timothy: He had denied Jesus three times, and so three times Jesus is asking the question.

1:49:49 Timothy: Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, Do you love me?

1:49:54 Timothy: He said, Lord, you know all things.

1:49:57 Timothy: You know that I love you.

1:50:00 Timothy: And Jesus repeats it again, feed my sheep.

1:50:03 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, Judge Laurie K.

1:50:05 Timothy: Smith, all other five.

1:50:07 Timothy: In fact, Jacob, you may want at this point to play the video of all those that are responsible.

1:50:11 Timothy: Not now, but later on, just kind of tuck it in there.

1:50:16 Timothy: You notice that he says, Feed my lambs, feed my sheep, take care of my sheep.

1:50:20 Timothy: And what position would Peter be doing that, Jacob?

1:50:25 Timothy: But what what kind of spirit would Peter have?

1:50:29 Timothy: Uh he just got humbled.

1:50:32 Timothy: So it's coming from humility, a brokenness that we cannot relate to.

1:50:36 Timothy: Only in the sense of the Holy Spirit coming to us.

1:50:38 Timothy: We haven't had Jesus come to us in the flesh, so to speak, and take us all the way to the cross.

1:50:43 Timothy: But it all has to do with the foundation of humility, of feeding, taking care of the sheep, and making sure that they're blessed in Jesus Christ.

1:50:54 Timothy: And to be sure, Peter did miracles from here on out.

1:50:58 Timothy: He did all kinds of things.

1:50:59 Timothy: He even healed people.

1:51:02 Timothy: He preached powerfully, acts drove out demons.

1:51:04 Timothy: Drove out demons.

1:51:05 Timothy: I'm just throwing things out.

1:51:06 Timothy: Oh, yeah.

1:51:07 Timothy: No, he was a he preached the first sermon where, you know, how many were baptized?

1:51:10 Timothy: I think 3,000 were baptized in one day.

1:51:13 Timothy: Went on to be a powerful preacher.

1:51:15 Timothy: So there was authority there, but it came from the Holy Spirit.

1:51:18 Timothy: It came because Peter had been emptied of self.

1:51:21 Timothy: And to emphasize this even more, you know, Jesus just doesn't stop right there.

1:51:26 Timothy: You gotta love Jesus.

1:51:28 Timothy: You have to worship him.

1:51:29 Timothy: Just when you think you've been humbled and you think you've been restored, he goes on.

1:51:35 Timothy: You know, don't get out of the prayer closet too fast.

1:51:37 Timothy: You know, scripture says when you sit before the Lord or come before the Lord, don't be in a hurry to leave.

1:51:41 Timothy: He may have a few other things to say.

1:51:43 Timothy: We all want to hear Jesus say, Yeah, I love you.

1:51:46 Timothy: You're restored, you're my child, you belong to me.

1:51:49 Timothy: And we're we're sitting there, and then we go, okay, good, good.

1:51:52 Timothy: You know, we know we've sinned, we we've confessed it, maybe we've kind of played at it, but we confessed it.

1:51:57 Timothy: We feel like, oh, the Lord's forgiven me.

1:51:58 Timothy: So you're kind of sitting there, and it's you think the quiet time's over with and the communication of the Lord has come to an end, you're ready to leave.

1:52:07 Timothy: And then Jesus goes, if we're listening, Jesus comes in, so to speak, with the punchline.

1:52:13 Timothy: I tell you the truth.

1:52:15 Timothy: You know, anytime Jesus starts a sentence that way, you better stop what you're doing and pay attention.

1:52:21 Timothy: I tell you the truth.

1:52:22 Timothy: How many times does he have to tell us that is an amazing thing?

1:52:25 Timothy: But if all of a sudden I'm, you know, vacuuming the carpet or doing whatever, and all of a sudden I hear the Holy Spirit say, you know, I'll tell you the truth.

1:52:32 Timothy: Whoa, everything shuts down.

1:52:35 Timothy: This is going to be, don't argue, don't come back, soak this in, take it in.

1:52:39 Timothy: Now, we don't have time to explore today.

1:52:41 Timothy: Peter doesn't quite do that, but uh we don't have time to get to that today.

1:52:44 Timothy: I tell you the truth.

1:52:45 Timothy: When you were younger, you dressed yourself and went where you wanted.

1:52:48 Timothy: That's the most Christian life.

1:52:50 Timothy: That's what King County prosecutors do.

1:52:52 Timothy: They dress themselves.

1:52:53 Timothy: One of them wears tennis shoes in court.

1:52:55 Timothy: I mean, they they they get to do these kinds of things.

1:52:57 Timothy: You went where you wanted, you do what you want to do.

1:52:59 Timothy: But when you are old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

1:53:07 Timothy: Talk about the humility.

1:53:08 Timothy: Number one, the Holy Spirit always leads us where we don't want to go.

1:53:11 Timothy: So when people, Mr.

1:53:13 Timothy: Simmons, come to the church and stay for a while, or I've preached to a lot of people, they never came to church, but they understood what the message was, they become angry because what they realize is to become a Christian is to no longer be able to do what you want to do.

1:53:29 Timothy: So they're not going to blame themselves.

1:53:31 Timothy: They're not going to go, oh no, I just don't want to do what I want to do because or yeah, I don't want to I want to do what I want to do, and I don't want to accept this message.

1:53:40 Timothy: I'm just a selfish creature, and I'd rather go to hell than give up what I want to do.

1:53:46 Timothy: And someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

1:53:50 Timothy: Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.

1:53:56 Timothy: And then he said to him, as if it needed to be said, what did he say there, Jacob?

1:54:00 Timothy: Follow me.

1:54:01 Timothy: Follow me.

1:54:02 Timothy: That's on the surface of things, that's kind of insulting, isn't it?

1:54:06 Timothy: Yeah.

1:54:07 Timothy: You would think so.

1:54:08 Timothy: Like I mean, most people would go, well, I know that.

1:54:12 Timothy: Yeah.

1:54:12 Timothy: I've been a Christian for so many years, I was baptized.

1:54:15 Timothy: I asked you in my heart.

1:54:16 Timothy: I prayed the believer's prayer.

1:54:18 Timothy: I did the rosary, whatever it is your particular baptized.

1:54:21 Timothy: Got baptized.

1:54:23 Timothy: All these things.

1:54:24 Timothy: So, Lord, I know that I have to follow you.

1:54:26 Timothy: Why are you telling me that?

1:54:28 Timothy: You know, all defensiveness has to go.

1:54:31 Timothy: If you're going to hear from Jesus Christ, if you're going to be blessed, it has to go.

1:54:37 Timothy: All you do is harm yourself.

1:54:39 Timothy: Jesus wants to say things to us, and we don't listen, and we have to wind up learning the hard way.

1:54:45 Timothy: That's the bottom line.

1:54:46 Timothy: If we even learn.

1:54:47 Timothy: A lot of people don't learn, or they'll drift away, or they no longer want to follow because the cost is too high.

1:54:54 Timothy: But Jesus said, follow me.

1:54:57 Timothy: Clearly, he's driving home some things in Peter that need to be crucified and taken to the cross.

1:55:03 Timothy: The question really for all of us today, including myself, is are we really listening to Jesus?

1:55:09 Timothy: Or are we interrupting all the time?

1:55:12 Timothy: Or are we being indignant, like, yeah, I know, I I love you, you know that.

1:55:17 Timothy: And it it takes a long time for us to actually get hurt.

1:55:20 Timothy: I'm rather old in the Lord, and to a certain degree, I've learned don't are you.

1:55:27 Timothy: It's just not worth it.

1:55:28 Timothy: Um, not only do I hunger and thirst for righteousness and resent it when my sinful nature comes up and just doesn't want to listen, but there's just within my spirit, it's like, I do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit.

1:55:40 Timothy: What do you have to tell me, Lord?

1:55:42 Timothy: No matter what it is.

1:55:42 Timothy: I know it's a blessing.

1:55:43 Timothy: If he comes to me and says you're the worst vile preacher that ever existed, great, that's a blessing.

1:55:51 Timothy: If he says you're a faithful servant, that's also a blessing taken in humility.

1:55:57 Timothy: Any comments before we move on to the next scripture, Jacob?

1:56:00 Timothy: No.

1:56:03 SPEAKER_02: Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.

1:56:15 SPEAKER_02: Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.

1:56:34 SPEAKER_14: Isaiah 520.

1:56:36 SPEAKER_14: Woe to King County prosecutors of Seattle, Washington.

1:56:46 Timothy: Play the intro again, Jacob, and then we'll get into 1 Corinthians 2, verse 1.

Leadership Without Persuasive Words

1:56:53 SPEAKER_07: What's up?

1:56:54 SPEAKER_07: Prosecutor Jason Simmons, Bible Study Time, Part 3.

1:57:01 SPEAKER_07: Topic: Leadership without persuasive words.

1:57:05 SPEAKER_07: Leadership without eloquence.

1:57:08 SPEAKER_07: Leadership without superior wisdom.

1:57:11 SPEAKER_07: Leadership that is the opposite of King County Courts of Washington State.

1:57:18 SPEAKER_07: The Consider Podcast.

1:57:21 SPEAKER_07: Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness.

1:57:26 SPEAKER_07: Www.consider.info.

1:57:32 Timothy: Jacob, go ahead and play the file for 1 Corinthians chapter 2, verses 1 through 8.

1:57:38 SPEAKER_01: 1 Corinthians 2, 1 through 8.

1:57:41 SPEAKER_01: When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.

1:57:49 SPEAKER_01: For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

1:57:55 SPEAKER_01: I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.

1:57:59 SPEAKER_01: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

1:58:11 SPEAKER_01: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

1:58:20 SPEAKER_01: No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden, and that God destined for our glory before time began.

1:58:28 SPEAKER_01: None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1:58:37 SPEAKER_08: Jacob, would you say my preaching is full of eloquence?

1:58:46 Jacob: No, eloquence would be like fancy words.

1:58:49 Timothy: Fancy words, smooth.

1:58:52 Timothy: Would you say that I'm interesting that you paused on that?

1:58:55 Timothy: I did not come with eloquence, Paul says.

1:58:57 Timothy: Would you say that I have superior wisdom about the Greek, the Hebrew, the context, the historical this, entertaining jokes, all kinds of things that would just make it seem alive to people?

1:59:10 Timothy: No.

1:59:11 Timothy: I'm not even a trained speaker for that matter.

1:59:14 Timothy: Paul said, when I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaim to you the testimony about God.

1:59:22 Timothy: I don't come in with flattery, I don't come in with nice stories.

1:59:26 Timothy: I mean, humor sometimes gets in there, but it's not uh an eloquence kind of thing.

1:59:30 Timothy: I mean, you watch some of these polished people preaching on TV or whatever, they're very smooth at what they do.

1:59:36 Timothy: They've got a I'll use the word talent for lack of a better term, but when you preached about Jesus Christ, that's not what this is about.

1:59:42 Timothy: Am I trying to does my speaking come across to try and persuade anyone, Jacob?

1:59:48 Timothy: No.

1:59:49 Timothy: Do I come in and go, you need to come to Jesus Christ because you'll be really blessed, and this over here, and exciting stories over here, and yeah, just turn everything over to God.

1:59:59 Timothy: Do you sense I'm trying to persuade people what to do?

2:00:03 Timothy: No.

2:00:04 Timothy: Well, prosecutor Jason Simmons, everything that you do is to persuade.

2:00:10 Timothy: You lie to persuade.

2:00:12 Timothy: You bring in quote unquote facts to persuade.

2:00:15 Timothy: You're trying to persuade the jury.

2:00:18 Timothy: We are completely the opposite.

2:00:20 Timothy: Your leadership is not my leadership, and I detest your leadership just as the Lord does.

2:00:27 Timothy: I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaim to you the testimony about God.

2:00:33 Timothy: It's rough, it's clear, it's like the cross, it's solid, it's understandable, it is presented in a fashion that you know exactly what you're hearing, and I'm not trying to evade, to come in as some shadow over here, or to ask a series of questions to confuse you and then ask one at the end to persuade or manipulate a jury to go, oh, okay, that's the great gospel.

2:00:53 Timothy: It's you know, you cheated when you won in that case.

2:00:55 Timothy: You you brought in the gospel, you brought it, and the gospel's not presented in the way you did it.

2:01:00 Timothy: You can whine and complain, and every jury's gonna go, I don't like it, because it is the opposite of the sinful world.

2:01:07 Timothy: You persuaded people to hate Jesus Christ.

2:01:09 Timothy: How hard do you think that is, Jacob?

2:01:12 Timothy: How hard is that to do?

2:01:13 Timothy: Yeah, how hard is it to get people, persuade them to not like Jesus?

2:01:17 Timothy: That's not hard.

2:01:18 Timothy: Not hard at all.

2:01:19 Timothy: No.

2:01:19 Timothy: So, Prosecutor Simmons, your prosecution was extremely lazy on just a minimal level.

2:01:24 Timothy: All right, 1 Corinthians 2 2, for I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified, and I do not have time today to explain that, although all these podcasts show you that.

2:01:36 Timothy: Now, 1 Corinthians 2 3.

2:01:38 Timothy: How does Paul say he came preaching the gospel?

2:01:42 Timothy: I came to you in weakness and fear.

2:01:46 Timothy: I came to you in weakness and fear.

2:01:49 Timothy: You're not going to understand that.

2:01:51 Timothy: Well, to a certain degree, I mean, prosecutors kind of like worry about can I persuade the jury, but that's a sinful kind of fear.

2:01:57 Timothy: This is a fear that comes from knowing a holy God and that he holds you responsible for every careless word you say.

2:02:05 Timothy: You do know that, Mr.

2:02:06 Timothy: Simmons.

2:02:07 Timothy: That Jesus Christ said, Men will be judged for every careless word proclaimed.

2:02:11 Timothy: Every careless word.

2:02:13 Timothy: Now just think about all the prosecutions that you've done, and certainly what you did in this particular case, every careless slander, every little slight, every little slur, everything that was construed falsely, you would be judged for on the slightest level.

2:02:29 Timothy: Paul says, I came to you in weakness and fear and with much trembling.

2:02:35 Timothy: Much trembling.

2:02:41 Jacob: No, it's not at like the super top of my list.

2:02:44 Timothy: Not on the super top.

2:02:45 Jacob: You don't want to walk around in a state of weakness and fear?

2:02:48 Jacob: Uh no, that's usually not uh not like a perk of a job.

2:02:52 Timothy: You you wouldn't get up in the morning and go, oh, I'm a preacher and I'm ready for all the trembling and all the fear, and God just come to me more with more judgment, show me more sin so that when I preach and what I declare really are your words and the way it should be said, you're not interested in weakness and fear and trembling?

2:03:08 Jacob: Uh no, it doesn't sound fun.

2:03:11 Timothy: No, and if you find a man agreeing to it and it's a sinful nature, guess what?

2:03:14 Timothy: You're in serious trouble.

2:03:16 Timothy: But anyway, Prosecutor Simmons, this is what leadership is in Jesus Christ.

2:03:22 Timothy: This is the position.

2:03:24 Timothy: Every decision that was made to one degree or another had all kinds of weakness and fear and trembling.

2:03:31 Timothy: No decision was made easily.

2:03:35 Timothy: You know, when you're in your sinful nature and you want what you want, every decision becomes easy, right?

2:03:39 Timothy: Sure.

2:03:39 Timothy: Yeah, I want this, I want that, I want that.

2:03:42 Timothy: I constantly heard it from the mover of the hate crime.

2:03:44 Timothy: I want this, I want that.

2:03:46 Timothy: There was no fear and trembling about what you're asking because you just want what you want.

2:03:49 Timothy: It's like a spoiled child.

2:03:51 Timothy: 1 Corinthians 2, 4, Mr.

2:03:53 Timothy: Simmons, go to it.

2:03:54 Timothy: 1 Corinthians chapter 2, verse 4.

2:03:56 Timothy: This is Paul speaking.

2:03:58 Timothy: My message, the whole message itself, not just sections, my message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words.

2:04:11 Timothy: I wrote Prosecutor Satisberg at the time and told him I would not flatter him.

2:04:15 Timothy: And I I don't think I have.

2:04:16 Timothy: Have I flattered him at all?

2:04:17 Jacob: No, I don't think so.

2:04:18 Timothy: Okay, so that that's kind of clear.

2:04:19 Timothy: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words.

2:04:23 Timothy: I'm not a wise man by the standards of this world.

2:04:28 Timothy: And persuasive words.

2:04:30 Timothy: Again, I I I love that those words there.

2:04:33 Timothy: I'm not trying to persuade anybody.

2:04:36 Timothy: I'm presenting the gospel.

2:04:37 Timothy: And if God is able to move on their heart, if he's able to draw them to him, because remember, Mr.

2:04:44 Timothy: Simmons, nobody comes to Jesus Christ unless God has enabled them.

2:04:47 Timothy: So why would I persuade a bunch of people who don't really want to be there?

2:04:52 Timothy: Seriously.

2:04:52 Timothy: Why would I want to go out and persuade and market and build a church for a bunch of people that don't want to be there?

2:05:01 Jacob: Jacob?

2:05:02 Jacob: Uh only if you were, I guess, uh well, their narrative would be the evil cult leader who wants money and everything comes back to you.

2:05:10 Timothy: Well oh, I agree with that.

2:05:12 Timothy: Don't don't most churches try to persuade you to come to church?

2:05:15 Jacob: Yes.

2:05:15 Timothy: I mean that from the church sign out front all the way down and the marketing and the flyers and all those things that come out.

2:05:20 Jacob: They're they're trying to appeal to a certain type of crowd because different people are going to be drawn to different things.

2:05:25 Jacob: That's why there's different churches.

2:05:26 Timothy: Correct.

2:05:27 Timothy: And it all comes.

2:05:28 Timothy: I remember one time sharing with somebody about the gospel of the message of the cross, and this guy was in marketing or whatever, and I was actually talking more with his wife.

2:05:35 Timothy: He was sitting there, and the attorney said, Well, this is not very marketable.

2:05:40 Timothy: So his wife, you know how she how a wife will do is tap you on the side, like it don't say those things.

2:05:45 Timothy: But it's true.

2:05:45 SPEAKER_11: Yeah.

2:05:46 Timothy: The message of the cross, Mr.

2:05:47 Timothy: Simmons, as you well know, because you presented it in to before a jury about an unrelated situation in order to win a cheated conviction.

2:05:57 Timothy: You know all too well that you can that the message of the cross is not marketable.

2:06:03 Timothy: If it is, it's going to totally backfire.

2:06:05 Timothy: First Corinthians 2, 5, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom.

2:06:13 Timothy: I do not want, the Spirit of Jesus does not want, the Holy Spirit does not want anyone belonging in a church because of a sermon or logic or things reasoned out.

2:06:26 Timothy: Look, you can I've reasoned with a lot of people why something is sin.

2:06:31 Timothy: And it doesn't lead to them joining the church or falling under conviction or getting the new life.

2:06:36 Timothy: Because why?

2:06:37 Timothy: I'm not trying to logically box them in so they go, okay, I'll check the box and ask Jesus Christ, my personal Lord and Savior.

2:06:44 Timothy: That's not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2:06:46 Timothy: And if it should happen, if that should take place, then their faith is resting on what, Jacob?

2:06:51 Timothy: What does the scripture say their faith would be resting on?

2:06:53 Timothy: Men's wisdom.

2:06:55 Timothy: Man's wisdom.

2:06:58 Timothy: But on God's power.

2:07:00 Timothy: Everybody needs to come in contact with the living God.

2:07:05 Timothy: That's what I preach, Mr.

2:07:06 Timothy: Simmons.

2:07:07 Timothy: That's what I demand, Mr.

2:07:09 Timothy: Simmons, and I would refute and argue against and destroy anything that was said or done that would present a gospel message that was based on men's wisdom.

2:07:20 Timothy: I hope that's really, really getting clear to King County prosecutors.

2:07:25 Timothy: Don't say they'll like it.

2:07:26 Timothy: First Corinthians 2.6.

2:07:28 Timothy: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature.

2:07:33 Timothy: It's the immature jury.

2:07:35 Timothy: It's the immature prosecuting attorneys, the immature, soft-spoken judges that do the evil.

2:07:43 Timothy: They don't want to think.

2:07:44 Timothy: They don't want to reason.

2:07:45 Timothy: They don't want to give anything up.

2:07:47 Timothy: They want to enjoy their meal.

2:07:48 Timothy: They want to enjoy their pride and their position and who they are.

2:07:52 Timothy: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, those that are waking up, those that are maturing, those that are going on to being adults in this world.

2:08:02 Timothy: Jacob, is there any mystery to the fact of why Satan is using the governor and the state of Washington to keep everybody as immature little baby Democrats?

2:08:12 Jacob: Is there any secret?

2:08:14 Jacob: Yeah.

2:08:15 Jacob: No, there's no real secret because Satan's in control.

2:08:18 Jacob: Right.

2:08:18 Timothy: He doesn't want anybody growing up.

2:08:19 Timothy: And by the way, I picked on the Democrats.

2:08:20 Timothy: Republicans do the same thing.

2:08:22 Jacob: Yeah, they do the same thing.

2:08:23 Timothy: They want everybody.

2:08:24 Timothy: Satan wants everybody immature.

2:08:26 Timothy: He doesn't want to be growing up.

2:08:26 Timothy: He wanted throwing fits.

2:08:28 Timothy: He wants everybody to go take selfie on a cliff.

2:08:30 Timothy: Yes.

2:08:31 Timothy: I mean, and the bottom line, he, hey, come on.

2:08:33 Jacob: That's like the easiest way.

2:08:34 Jacob: That's uh even probably easier than like Satan enticing people to commit suicide.

2:08:38 Timothy: Correct.

2:08:39 Timothy: Forget the Oscars and all the, you know, with a Macy on the.

2:08:44 Timothy: And there you go.

2:08:45 Timothy: In the news, there's people that are going down on spring break in the most criminal worst places and go something bad happened to them.

2:08:52 Timothy: Why do you think, and this is really the one of the terrible aspects of prosecutors, they convince especially young women of what the world should be and not what it is.

2:09:05 Timothy: There's this thought of you can live and dress and be as reckless as you want and go down dark alleys and all that, and we'll be there to bring about justice.

2:09:13 Timothy: Well, so then this careless attitude gets in that it's really immature.

2:09:17 Timothy: You're not allowed to tell your kid no, don't crow in the middle of the street, or no, don't go over here, watch out for that.

2:09:22 Timothy: So either everybody becomes paranoid and everybody gets isolated, and then that creates more confusion, and then they can't even identify sexually who they are, or they're out here just doing whatever.

2:09:32 Timothy: They're not mature.

2:09:33 Timothy: And so we think, oh, I was attacked and this happened, and I don't know.

2:09:37 Timothy: They took advantage of me.

2:09:38 Timothy: Well, duh, you're teaching these women this lie of what the world should be and not what it is.

2:09:44 Timothy: Whereas a good parent, somebody being mature, is like, it's a tough world out there.

2:09:48 Timothy: It's an evil world.

2:09:49 Timothy: There are bad cops everywhere.

2:09:51 Timothy: There are evil prosecutors in every office.

2:09:54 Timothy: There are judges that will do exactly what they want to do to puff themselves up.

2:09:59 Timothy: They will send you to prison.

2:10:00 Timothy: They will not care less, they will care less about the consequences and the evil they have done.

2:10:06 Timothy: Is that not absolutely true?

2:10:08 Timothy: Very true.

2:10:09 Timothy: And so all of this constant, well, we want to protect society.

2:10:12 Timothy: It's a sham.

2:10:13 Timothy: It's a lie, people.

2:10:14 Timothy: When you go into jury duty, they are flat out lying to you.

2:10:17 Timothy: We want to protect everybody.

2:10:19 Timothy: Really?

2:10:19 Timothy: If they wanted to protect everybody, when was the last time a prosecutor was prosecuted?

2:10:23 Timothy: Yeah, exactly.

2:10:24 Timothy: When was the last time a police was actually prosecuted?

2:10:27 Timothy: And I mean that I mean it wasn't something in the news that everybody's all upset about.

2:10:31 Timothy: It's well, we'll be here all day if I start going down that road.

2:10:35 Timothy: All right.

2:10:36 Timothy: Jacob, I better let you read 1 Corinthians 2 6, and I'll take a breath here in a moment.

2:10:40 Jacob: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing.

2:10:52 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

2:10:53 Timothy: Smith, who is woman of the year, is coming to nothing.

2:10:59 Timothy: Every King County prosecutor, every city of Enum Claw policeman, every ruler of this age is coming to nothing.

2:11:10 Timothy: You can have all the rewards you want.

2:11:12 Timothy: You know, in first John it says, those are the world, the world listens to them.

2:11:16 Timothy: Why do you think Judge Laurie K.

2:11:17 Timothy: Smith received woman of the year awards?

2:11:20 Timothy: She's part of the world.

2:11:20 Timothy: She's not part of Jesus Christ.

2:11:22 Timothy: Am I receiving preacher of the of the year awards?

2:11:25 Timothy: No.

2:11:26 Timothy: Um, and of course it would be to just show how fair unfair it is again.

2:11:29 Timothy: What's the last time a man got a man of the year award?

2:11:32 Timothy: Yeah.

2:11:32 Timothy: So that shows the the violence against the law within King County prosecutors.

2:11:38 Timothy: Anyway, we do not, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not but not the wisdom of this age or the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing.

2:11:50 SPEAKER_08: There's a King County prosecutors' leadership is nothing.

2:11:56 SPEAKER_08: Godly leadership is everything.

2:12:00 Timothy: One is coming to nothing, one is heading to glory.

2:12:02 Timothy: First Corinthians 2 7.

2:12:05 Timothy: Jacob, again, I'm going to let you read that because I want people to soak that in.

2:12:09 Timothy: That prosecutor Jason Simmons is not able to hear or understand neither Judge Laurie K.

2:12:16 Timothy: Smith or any of the other people of the gospel.

2:12:20 Timothy: So when Simmons put Jesus on trial, and that's what he did, when he put the word of God on trial up there, when he put righteousness on trial up there, he's talking to, first of all, juries are dumbed down, right?

2:12:31 Timothy: Yes.

2:12:31 Timothy: I mean, they they pick to think about that.

2:12:34 Timothy: Juries are the weakest element in the judicial system.

2:12:37 Timothy: And of course, the judges love it that way, the prosecutors love it that way, the police love it that way.

2:12:41 Timothy: I mean, you got people starry-eyed, like, oh yeah, the police are great, and the prosecutors protecting us, and the whole chaddang, and the judge is up there trying to do what's right, and blah, blah, blah.

2:12:51 Timothy: And so they'll just check in the box and what goes on.

2:12:53 Timothy: Now, I'm not telling you they win every case.

2:12:55 Timothy: You can't win every lottery, but the the basic point is true that the weakest element, the dumbest people, are selected for jury duty.

2:13:03 Timothy: Correct?

2:13:03 Timothy: Yes.

2:13:04 Timothy: All right.

2:13:05 Timothy: Then we add on top of that layer a secret wisdom.

2:13:09 Timothy: Everything on this podcast, everything we're talking about, is a secret wisdom.

2:13:12 Timothy: You're not going to understand it unless you actually come to Jesus Christ.

2:13:16 Timothy: Even in the explaining of it, people how many people are scratching their heads if they're even listening, saying, You got to hate your life?

2:13:22 Timothy: What's that?

2:13:23 Timothy: Or usually when I say you got to hate your life, they go, Well, I do hate life, which is different than hating your life.

2:13:29 Timothy: Correct.

2:13:29 Timothy: They don't get it.

2:13:30 Timothy: No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

2:13:42 Timothy: This wisdom be your wisdom, Mr.

2:13:44 Timothy: Simmons.

2:13:45 Timothy: All right.

2:13:45 Timothy: First Corinthians 2.8.

2:13:47 Timothy: Go ahead and read that, Jacob.

2:13:48 Jacob: None of the rulers of this age understood it.

2:13:52 Jacob: Or if they had, they would have not crucified the Lord of glory.

2:13:58 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, if you'd understood, maybe even tried to understand what was going on, you wouldn't have done the wicked thing you did.

2:14:09 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

2:14:10 Timothy: Smith would not have allowed it to even enter the courtroom.

2:14:13 Timothy: Again, I repeat it, it it it's always amazed me.

2:14:16 Timothy: There was no discussion among prosecutors going up to trial that they were going to put the church on trial.

2:14:23 Timothy: It was all about Malcolm Fraser, right?

2:14:26 Timothy: That's the focus.

2:14:27 Timothy: The first day of the trial, the first couple hours of the trial, well, first of all, they they state we're not going to call the mover and the shaker of the hate crime to testify, therefore we couldn't cross-examine, and she flew off to Texas to hide out until after the trial, even though she was not afraid to tell her story.

2:14:43 Jacob: But that's a whole she's not afraid to tell her story.

2:14:48 Jacob: But I'm moving to Texas.

2:14:50 Timothy: Yep, I'm flying out to Texas till the trial's over with.

2:14:53 Timothy: Yeah, right, okay.

2:14:54 Timothy: Anyway, one one lie after another.

2:14:58 Timothy: Um, if you'd have bothered to try and understand, you wouldn't have done what you did.

2:15:03 Timothy: It was so baseless, so crass and gross.

2:15:07 Timothy: None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2:15:14 Timothy: You know, it's not like Jesus didn't explain things.

2:15:17 Timothy: It's not like he didn't raise the dead and heal people.

2:15:21 Timothy: It wasn't like his teachings were out in the open, but they just couldn't grasp it.

2:15:25 Timothy: They couldn't understand it because they are trapped in their sins.

2:15:31 Timothy: Any comments or anything, Jacob, before we move on to the next section?

2:15:34 Timothy: No.

2:15:35 Timothy: All right, go ahead again and play this section of scripture, and we'll probably wrap that up with this, but it is a little bit long.

2:15:42 SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.

Becoming A Slave To Everyone

2:15:43 SPEAKER_01: First Corinthians nine, nineteen through twenty-seven.

2:15:47 SPEAKER_01: Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

2:15:55 SPEAKER_01: To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

2:15:59 SPEAKER_01: To those under the law, I became like one under the law, though I myself am not under the law, so as to win those under the law.

2:16:08 SPEAKER_01: To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law, though I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law, so as to win those not having the law to the weak I became weak, to win the weak.

2:16:25 SPEAKER_01: I have become all things to all men, so that by all possible means I might save some.

2:16:31 SPEAKER_01: I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

2:16:36 SPEAKER_01: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?

2:16:42 SPEAKER_01: Run in such a way as to get the prize.

2:16:45 SPEAKER_01: Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training.

2:16:48 SPEAKER_01: They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

2:16:56 SPEAKER_01: Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

2:16:59 SPEAKER_01: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

2:17:02 SPEAKER_01: No, I beat my body and make it my slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

2:17:25 Timothy: Your Honor, do you see how selfish he is?

2:17:28 Timothy: Everything he does is for himself.

2:17:31 Timothy: He he's only preaching the gospel.

2:17:32 Timothy: He only has this church, he only does this ministry, he only has the salt shaker bookstore.

2:17:37 Timothy: Because why?

2:17:38 Timothy: What's he trying to do, Your Honor?

2:17:39 Timothy: What's it say?

2:17:41 Jacob: Share in its blessing?

2:17:42 Timothy: He wants to share in its blessing.

2:17:43 Timothy: He says, I do all this for the sake of the gospel that I may share in the blessing.

2:17:47 Timothy: It's about Paul.

2:17:49 Timothy: It all comes back to Paul.

2:17:50 Timothy: Every all the suffering he's talking about all the books, all the teachings, everything comes back.

2:17:55 Timothy: The books he writes, he calls them from God.

2:17:58 Timothy: He's inspired the whole bit.

2:17:59 Timothy: Your Honor, we need to deal with this man powerfully.

2:18:01 Timothy: He is selfish, he's controlling.

2:18:03 Timothy: I need to show the environment because so-and-so down in gel number cell number 603 stole a pop-tart somewhere in the grocery store.

2:18:11 Timothy: And it's because Paul is over here boasting about that he's selfish with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2:18:18 Timothy: Did I get uh Prosecutor Simmons out of my system at that moment?

2:18:22 Jacob: But that's a pretty good uh uh representation.

2:18:26 Jacob: Yeah, that was a pretty good representation of the old Simmons.

2:18:30 Timothy: The old Simmons?

2:18:31 Jacob: I don't is there a new Simmons?

2:18:32 Jacob: I just say no, I just say the old Simmons, you know, as in what has occurred.

2:18:36 Jacob: The old Simmons.

2:18:37 Timothy: Yeah, well, when he gets baptized, we'll truly talk about the old Simmons.

2:18:41 Timothy: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

2:18:42 Jacob: I'm I'm not in any way implying that he has changed.

2:18:44 Timothy: You know what, Mr.

2:18:45 Timothy: Simmons, you should have stayed being a defense attorney.

2:18:47 Timothy: That that was certainly a first calling on your heart, but it won't do any good unless you actually become a disciple of Jesus.

2:18:54 Timothy: Anyway.

2:18:56 Timothy: So an evil mind can twist all this around.

2:18:59 Timothy: Correct.

2:19:00 Timothy: Now, as I said that, let's let's go ahead though and read, say, verse 26 and 27.

2:19:05 Timothy: And once again, we'll see the humility and the fear and trembling that goes along with saying, I do this all that I may share in its blessing.

2:19:12 Timothy: Go ahead, Jacob, read verses 26 and 27.

2:19:16 Jacob: Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

2:19:19 Jacob: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

2:19:22 Jacob: No, I beat my body and make it my slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

2:19:33 Timothy: When he states that he's preaching the gospel, you know, for the sake of the gospel that he can share in its blessing.

2:19:38 Timothy: What's what's mixed in there again, Jacob?

2:19:41 Timothy: Suffering.

2:19:42 Timothy: Suffering, fear and trembling?

2:19:43 Timothy: Yes.

2:19:44 Timothy: I mean, he ends with the statement that I don't want to be disqualified.

2:19:48 Timothy: He's working out a salvation with fear and trembling.

2:19:50 Timothy: You see the fear that's associated with this, the humility, the brokenness, all of that's there.

2:19:56 Timothy: So again, we're back to, you know, you got Chef Ramsey who eats his meal different than I would eat a meal and who we give thanks to in the same way.

2:20:04 Timothy: When he is saying, I want to share in it, it's not coming from selfishness.

2:20:09 Timothy: It's not coming from a power trip.

2:20:11 Timothy: He's not trying to lord it over them.

2:20:13 Timothy: He has a fear and trim.

2:20:14 Timothy: It really, it's something you wouldn't understand.

2:20:16 Timothy: It's called genuine love.

2:20:18 Timothy: He genuinely loves other people, and he genuinely, genuinely loves the gospel from a selfless point in his heart and his spirit and his mind.

2:20:30 Timothy: He's not grabbing on for anything for himself.

2:20:35 Timothy: Which answers another question.

2:20:36 Timothy: 1 Corinthians 9 26.

2:20:38 Timothy: What did he say, Jacob?

2:20:39 Timothy: Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

2:20:44 Timothy: This is a little bit of a tough question to answer.

2:20:48 Timothy: Apply that to all the projects or works that Sound Doctrine did.

2:20:54 Timothy: What is there and you don't have to have anything because I this is a little bit out there as far as trying to explain it cold.

2:21:01 Timothy: Um does anything ring the bell with that?

2:21:06 Jacob: Um well all the all the projects at Sound Doctrine Church, they had a purpose, so they're there it wasn't done just aimlessly.

2:21:14 Jacob: It wasn't like a like a shotgun where you just fire into the air and hope you hit something.

2:21:19 Timothy: Right.

2:21:19 Timothy: Remember the accusation is everything comes back to me.

2:21:22 Timothy: Yeah.

2:21:22 Timothy: Which meant the Salt Shaker came back to me, Wine Press Publishing came back to me, uh the church came back to me, the tracks came back to me, the books have my name on them, so I guess they came back to me, right?

2:21:33 SPEAKER_08: Everything came back to me, right?

2:21:37 SPEAKER_08: Well, I'm not running aimlessly.

2:21:41 Timothy: Uh Jake, is there anything about my life that like there's not an aim and a goal and a direction?

2:21:47 Jacob: Yeah, there's always a goal.

2:21:48 Jacob: There's always a direction.

2:21:49 Timothy: In fact, kind of annoying.

2:21:50 Timothy: I mean, what I'm gonna do for lunch.

2:21:51 Timothy: I aim for what I'm gonna do from that.

2:21:54 Timothy: Naturally, you're going to see the fruit of that.

2:21:57 Timothy: Sound Doctor Church just wasn't hanging around.

2:22:00 Timothy: We weren't there just content to go, and by content, I mean we weren't there just to come to church, praise Jesus, go home, quietly associate with all the pastors in town.

2:22:09 Timothy: We were busy people because why?

2:22:11 Timothy: I am busy.

2:22:12 Timothy: I am not aimlessly following Jesus Christ.

2:22:15 Timothy: I there is a purpose, there's a direction.

2:22:17 Timothy: He's showing what needs to be done.

2:22:19 Timothy: It takes beating my body, self-discipline day in and day out, moving forward, getting the perseverance of Jesus Christ, being dead to my own perseverance, my own wisdom, and what I want to do.

2:22:29 Timothy: Therefore, it's natural, it's the fruit of that kind of discipline and following Jesus Christ.

2:22:35 Timothy: That yes, there were a lot of projects, and yes, I was overseeing those projects.

2:22:40 Timothy: It's because I am not a lazy Christian that is just aimlessly enjoying Jesus Christ for the food that he can provide.

2:22:48 Timothy: Is that kind of clear?

2:22:50 Timothy: Yeah, that's clear.

2:22:51 Timothy: Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

2:22:54 Timothy: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

2:22:56 Timothy: You know I'm after you, right?

2:22:58 Timothy: You you know I'm not just beating the air like, oh, I'm contending for the faith.

2:23:02 Timothy: I you I see that a lot on the internet.

2:23:04 Timothy: You know, yeah.

2:23:05 Timothy: I'm I'm contending for the faith.

2:23:06 Timothy: We're biting for the well, how?

2:23:08 Timothy: Specifically, how that's coming out.

2:23:10 Timothy: How are you actually engaging in confronting the gospel in very specific ways?

2:23:16 Timothy: And there are a lot of people doing that.

2:23:18 Timothy: I'm just giving the example here.

2:23:20 Timothy: This is the character that Jesus Christ is working within me.

2:23:23 Timothy: So it's natural to find those parts.

2:23:26 Timothy: And it takes an evil person like Detective Grant McCall and King County prosecutors to think this is just some self-centered thing where everything came back to me.

2:23:35 Timothy: First of all, it's massively stupid.

2:23:38 Timothy: What did I the Salt Shaker bookstore?

2:23:41 Timothy: Exactly how did I benefit from that?

2:23:45 Jacob: Uh, you didn't.

2:23:46 Jacob: I think there was plenty of people that were spreading lies that uh there was a bunch of money.

2:23:52 Jacob: I mean, that was another thing.

2:23:53 Jacob: You know what I mean?

2:23:54 Jacob: You split a wine press, you're getting so most evil in the world, how much of it comes back to money.

2:24:00 Jacob: And so a lot of dudes out there, whether it be uh, you know, the TBN preachers or you know, they do all this stuff with their elegant words and their ministries, because why at the end of the day there's a there's a bunch of money.

2:24:12 Timothy: That's a good point.

2:24:13 Timothy: In fact, we had the video, if somebody can see it along with the the guys coming in and saying we're just collecting a lot of money.

2:24:18 Timothy: So that that's a good point.

2:24:20 Timothy: Well, just for the record, uh Salt Shaker Bookstore was not making money.

2:24:23 Jacob: No, it was not it was a nonprofit.

2:24:25 Jacob: But you know, in the whole takedown of the church, we know certain individuals that were digging around, stealing wine press documents, trying to find a bunch of money, but there was none.

2:24:36 Timothy: Well, exactly.

2:24:36 Timothy: And then of course King County prosecutors took care of Wine Press Publishing, certainly didn't make any money.

2:24:41 Timothy: Yeah.

2:24:42 Timothy: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

2:24:44 Timothy: No, I beat my body, and by the way, I don't live that perfectly, but I sure wish that I did and prayed that I do, and I continue to go on.

2:24:51 Timothy: I beat my body and make it my slave.

2:24:54 Timothy: Want to be a Christian, Mr.

2:24:56 Timothy: Simmons?

2:24:57 Timothy: Want to be a teacher on top of that?

2:24:59 Timothy: I mean, this is a normal Christian life.

2:25:01 Timothy: You're supposed to be beating your body, making it your slave, making it be obedient, not whining, not complaining, not grumbling, all you know, all the attention we give to one of the things I look forward to in heaven is you don't have to take care of yourself.

2:25:14 Timothy: All the attention that goes into it, all the money, all the things we got to do.

2:25:17 Timothy: It's just man, total freedom just to worship the Lord, just to be able to be there.

2:25:22 Timothy: No, I beat my body and make it my slave.

2:25:24 Timothy: Interest in being baptized, Mr.

2:25:26 Timothy: Simmons?

2:25:27 Timothy: See, this is not a message that people are attracted to.

2:25:30 Timothy: These are not persuasive words.

2:25:32 Timothy: Can you imagine?

2:25:33 Timothy: No wonder Paul's saying I didn't come with persuasive, persuasive words, because the gospel message itself is offensive.

2:25:40 Timothy: What?

2:25:40 Timothy: Did we advertise in uh Enum Claw, like, yeah, beat your body, make it your slave, come to our church on Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon.

2:25:48 Timothy: Of course not.

2:25:49 Timothy: It's not even marketable.

2:25:50 Timothy: People have to see it.

2:25:51 Timothy: They have to, well, that's why Satan works really hard to keep people from talking to me or ever coming to church.

2:25:59 Timothy: Once again, I myself may not be disqualified.

2:26:03 Timothy: I'm not some happy Baptist that thinks he's saved and always saved.

2:26:07 Timothy: I am working out my salvation with fair and trimbling.

2:26:09 Timothy: So, on top of all of this, on top of being a preacher, a teacher, a disciple, counseling people, confronting those who oppose the gospel, the persecution, the prosecutions, all those things, plus the daily life of just having faith in Jesus Christ, I become a slave to everybody.

2:26:28 SPEAKER_08: Tell me, Mr.

2:26:29 SPEAKER_08: Simmons, how do you become a slave to everybody?

2:26:31 SPEAKER_08: What's that mean?

2:26:32 Timothy: You wanted to know how leadership worked.

2:26:35 Timothy: You you posed all the questions, right?

2:26:39 Timothy: So you tell me, you clearly have superior wisdom, or you would not have brought it up in a court of law to soft-spoken Judge Laurie K.

2:26:46 Timothy: Smith, would you?

2:26:48 Timothy: How then do you make yourself a slave to everyone?

2:26:51 Timothy: A slave to everyone.

2:26:53 Timothy: Tell me how it's done.

2:26:54 Timothy: I can tell you how I've done it, but you tell me how you've done it.

2:26:58 Timothy: To the Jews, I became like a Jew.

2:27:00 Timothy: To win the Jews, to those under the law, I became like one under the law, though I myself am not under the law, so as to win those under the law.

2:27:08 Timothy: What you people don't realize is how much energy and prayer and time and effort it takes to be a slave to everyone.

2:27:19 Timothy: If I go into somebody's house that's lower income, right?

2:27:23 Timothy: And I make myself a slave to them, I'm not asking them to conform to me.

2:27:28 Timothy: I have to figure out how do I make myself a slave to them.

2:27:31 Timothy: If a millionaire, or that's not too much these days, a multimillionaire invites me into his house, I have to become rich as if one is rich.

2:27:38 Timothy: Now, that doesn't mean I get a rich bank account.

2:27:40 Timothy: That means I have to become part of their world and who they are to relate to them.

2:27:46 Timothy: You often hear stories about missionaries, you know, they'll go over into a particular land or country and they try and force the natives to be like them.

2:27:54 Timothy: There's not this first becoming like them and then teaching the gospel in that context.

2:28:00 Timothy: What I want, well, what I would like Simmons and prosecutors to see just how much energy and wisdom is required to live this.

2:28:09 Timothy: These aren't just like idle words.

2:28:12 Timothy: You've got to figure out, well, how do I become a Jew under the law without being under the law?

2:28:17 Timothy: Figure that out.

2:28:18 Timothy: Tell me about that.

2:28:19 Timothy: Or to those not having the law, I became like one not having the law.

2:28:24 Timothy: Okay, so how do you go from living under the law, though you're not under the law, to becoming somebody who's not under the law and living as though you're not under the law?

2:28:32 Timothy: To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law, though I am not free from God's law, but I'm under Christ's law.

2:28:42 SPEAKER_08: How does that work, Simmons?

2:28:45 SPEAKER_08: How would the Holy Spirit lead that to be done?

2:28:47 Timothy: How much self has to be crucified, suffering against sin, to be that dead enough to your personality and who you are, and who you think you are, and who you want to be to become a slave to somebody in the room.

2:29:03 Timothy: Most people want to be who they think they want to be.

2:29:07 Timothy: That makes sense.

2:29:07 Timothy: You know, discover who yourself is.

2:29:09 Timothy: Why do you think Satan advertises it on television everywhere?

2:29:12 Timothy: You know, be whichever you're meant to be.

2:29:14 Timothy: I can't even think of them anymore, but it's a constant thing.

2:29:18 Timothy: In order to become a slave to all men, you have to be dead to self.

2:29:24 Timothy: You have to literally hate your own life.

2:29:27 Timothy: You have to pick up your cross, you have to deny yourself.

2:29:31 Timothy: You go into a Jewish home and the food is different than you go into a Gentile home.

2:29:36 Timothy: You can't, or you shouldn't be in there going, well, I don't like this food and I won't eat this food over here.

2:29:41 Timothy: How do you become a slave to all these people?

2:29:44 Timothy: Have I always succeeded in this?

2:29:46 Timothy: I'll admit I have not.

2:29:48 Timothy: And I allow God to crucify me, to change me, so that I might become a slave to everyone.

2:29:58 Timothy: Anything before I kind of wrap it up here, Jacob?

2:30:01 SPEAKER_08: No.

2:30:01 SPEAKER_08: Alright, 1 Corinthians 9 22.

2:30:03 SPEAKER_08: To the weak I became weak.

2:30:08 SPEAKER_08: I've already asked a series of questions how you do all these other things.

2:30:11 SPEAKER_08: Well, you tell me, how do you become weak when you you're strong in the Lord?

2:30:17 Timothy: Isn't everything about the world anyway?

2:30:19 Timothy: Be strong, be powerful, you know, mm be this superhuman being, you know, go for the goal, go for whatever.

2:30:26 Timothy: Do you know any lingos?

2:30:27 Timothy: I'm trying to think of them now.

2:30:29 Timothy: Not necessarily.

2:30:30 Timothy: It's just everywhere, right?

2:30:32 Timothy: Well, how do you make yourself weak to win the weak?

2:30:34 Timothy: I have become all things to all men, so that by all possible means I might save some.

2:30:43 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons' gonna go beneath.

2:30:45 Timothy: See, he thinks he's the savior of everyone.

2:30:48 Timothy: Paul is doing all these things, he's manipulating, he's becoming a Jew, and he's becoming free over here, and he's doing this over here, and he's uh he's associating with these people over here, and he's making himself weaker, also that he thinks he can win them.

2:31:01 Timothy: Isn't that what an evil person would think?

2:31:03 Jacob: Yes.

2:31:04 Timothy: And we know that's not what Paul is thinking, we know that's not where it's coming from, and it's genuine, genuine, sincere love.

2:31:12 Timothy: In other words, I simply make myself a slave to everyone.

2:31:17 Timothy: I don't demand they conform to me or whatever I think they should be.

2:31:25 Timothy: I serve them and love them.

2:31:27 Timothy: I do all of this for the sake of the gospel, not for any other reason.

2:31:32 Timothy: Paul didn't have a big congregation.

2:31:34 Timothy: I know that might be shocking to you.

2:31:35 Timothy: A lot of the churches he had problems with, I know that must be a shocker to you.

2:31:39 Timothy: There must be something wrong somewhere.

2:31:41 Timothy: Um Paul was deserted twice where everybody left him.

2:31:43 Timothy: Hmm.

2:31:44 Timothy: That must be also to Prosecutor Simmons.

2:31:46 Timothy: That's a sure sign something's wrong somewhere, right?

2:31:49 Timothy: I do all this for the sake of the gospel that I may share in its blessing.

2:31:53 Timothy: Well, we've already covered the non-selfish attitude of what he's trying to say here.

2:31:57 Timothy: Bottom line is Pick up your cross and follow Jesus Christ.

2:32:03 Timothy: Take us out of here, Jacob.

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Selfish Ambition And Denying Truth

2:33:29 Timothy: Let us continue to answer prosecutor Jason Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

2:33:36 Timothy: Smith's accusation of a question of what was the leadership like at Sound Doctrine Church?

2:33:43 Timothy: We're going to consider the vast difference between leadership in the office of King County, prosecutor's office, and the office, and I'm putting office in quote of Sound Doctrine Church.

2:33:56 Timothy: How's it going, Jacob?

2:33:57 Timothy: Going good.

2:33:59 Timothy: There's No comparison between what goes on in King County prosecutors' offices in terms of leadership and what went on at Sound Doctrine Church.

2:34:09 Timothy: Couldn't even relate to it.

2:34:10 Timothy: I might logically be able to lay it out for Prosecutor Simmons, but you know what?

2:34:15 Timothy: The best he will be able to do, I mean, the very best he'll be able to do is to logically agree that the logic is there.

2:34:22 Timothy: But understanding it, uh, you have to experience, and only that comes from the living God.

2:34:28 Timothy: Jacob, anything going on?

2:34:30 Timothy: Anything you want to express, talk about, or lay out before we get started?

2:34:34 Timothy: Nope, not right now.

2:34:36 Timothy: All right, excellent.

2:34:36 Timothy: Let's go ahead and we're gonna go to Luke chapter 9, verse 44, and begin to talk about the fact that if you're going to talk about leadership at Sound Doctrine Church, you're going to have to reject everything and all concepts you ever had about leadership.

2:34:54 Timothy: And that would include in the church.

2:34:56 Timothy: Jake, if you've been to other churches, you visited, you've looked at it.

2:35:02 Timothy: There's really no comparison to what you've discovered out there and to what was in Sound Doctrine Church.

2:35:08 Timothy: Am I correct or am I all based?

2:35:10 Timothy: No, 100% correct.

2:35:12 Timothy: Then when we get into, in fact, most of the time, most churches are pretty much organized just like King County office, and everybody's trying to jockey for their position and get what they want out of the church and voice their opinion.

2:35:23 Timothy: I know you have more so sat in meetings in a church, and there's always a naysayer, there's always this question over here, and everybody wants a piece of something for themselves that they have in mind, right?

Who Is Greatest In God’s Kingdom

2:35:36 Jacob: Sure.

2:35:36 Jacob: A lot of times people have their own agenda, right?

2:35:41 Timothy: Agenda or opinion.

2:35:42 Timothy: Everybody certainly has opinion.

2:35:44 Jacob: Oh, yeah.

2:35:44 Jacob: You you definitely um maybe like you don't even disagree with what leadership's doing, but you just want to give your opinion.

2:35:52 Jacob: Like, I just want to, I just want to put it out there.

2:35:54 Jacob: That's a very common thing, I feel like.

2:35:55 Timothy: Yeah, put it out there, go from there.

2:35:57 Timothy: And that's just human, sinful nature.

2:36:01 Timothy: And it took a long time for the apostles, or really the disciples that were following Jesus at the time, but the apostles to learn that lesson.

2:36:09 Timothy: I mean, we can get all the way up to the Last Supper.

2:36:12 Timothy: They've been with Jesus for three and a half years, they've raised the dead, they've healed the sick, they've faced persecution, they've listened to Jesus teach, they've watched him confront Pharisee and Sadducee and rich people and poor people.

2:36:27 Timothy: They've watched and listened to everything that Jesus said.

2:36:29 Timothy: In fact, they even taught what Jesus taught, correct?

2:36:33 Timothy: They I mean they went around.

2:36:34 Timothy: Jesus sent them into towns ahead of time.

2:36:36 Jacob: He'd send them out, yeah.

2:36:37 Timothy: He said, Jesus coming.

2:36:38 Timothy: So we're talking about they were teachers, they were leaders, they were out preaching, and they were doing this on a first hand basis of knowing Jesus Christ.

2:36:47 Timothy: But they were completely stupid, dull, dumb when it came to the understanding of what leadership is about.

2:36:57 Timothy: There's a lot of churches that they're not even going to be able to relate what we're going to look at here because they don't allow God to break them of self and of pride.

2:37:07 Timothy: Let's go ahead and listen to the audio part of Luke 9 44.

2:37:12 Timothy: And the setting again is at the Last Supper.

2:37:16 Timothy: So it's three and a half years.

2:37:17 Timothy: They're sitting together.

2:37:18 Timothy: Jesus is saying he's going to be betrayed and die on the cross, and they all they can really talk about is who's the greatest in terms of leadership.

2:37:28 Timothy: Go ahead and play that and we'll come back and examine it.

2:37:31 SPEAKER_01: Luke nine, forty-four through forty eight.

2:37:34 SPEAKER_01: While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, listen carefully to what I am about to tell you.

2:37:42 SPEAKER_01: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

2:37:46 SPEAKER_01: But they did not understand what this meant.

2:37:49 SPEAKER_01: It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it.

2:37:52 SPEAKER_01: And they were afraid to ask him about it.

2:37:55 SPEAKER_01: An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest.

2:38:00 SPEAKER_01: Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him.

2:38:06 SPEAKER_01: Then he said to them, Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

2:38:15 SPEAKER_01: For he who is least among you all, he is the greatest.

2:38:20 Timothy: Actually I need to correct myself there.

2:38:22 Timothy: This is this is not actually at the Lord's Supper, but the same argument happens at the Lord's Supper.

2:38:27 Timothy: So what you're gonna see here is a continual theme where these disciples continue to want to jockey for the best position, want to know what their position is.

2:38:38 Timothy: At Sound Doctrine Church, there was none of that because obviously we learned from their lesson, and God brought about the power of the cross into our lives.

2:38:45 Timothy: So you didn't Jacob, you you you let everybody know.

2:38:48 Timothy: Was anybody jockeying to be in a position of leadership?

2:38:53 Timothy: No.

2:38:54 Timothy: In fact, in the last episodes, we've talked about the seriousness of leadership.

2:38:57 Jacob: Yep, exactly.

2:38:58 Timothy: And when that's laid out clearly, very I think very correct.

2:39:02 Jacob: Yeah, who's raising their hand and jumping up and down?

2:39:06 Jacob: I want to be judged more harshly.

2:39:08 Jacob: Totally.

2:39:09 Timothy: Um, you can find that in some places, but um not at Sound Doctrine Church because it was just laid out way, way too clearly.

2:39:18 Timothy: A couple things as we pass through this.

2:39:19 Timothy: In Luke 9, 44, the first part of that it says, while everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to the disciples, there's always this sober aspect of Jesus.

2:39:32 Timothy: Here's Jesus healing people, preaching, casting out demons, all kinds of powerful things, right?

2:39:36 Timothy: And so they're marveling at it.

2:39:38 Timothy: They're excited about that.

2:39:39 Timothy: And this is kind of a sub-question for Simmons where he goes, What attracted you to Sound Doctrine Church?

2:39:45 Timothy: Well, there wasn't anything.

2:39:46 Timothy: Or if there were things that the flesh was attacked, attracted to, or you you say, Hey, I'd like to be a part of a Jesus that feeds, you know, 5,000 people.

2:39:57 Timothy: I don't never have to go grocery shopping again.

2:39:59 Timothy: Jesus immediately talks about the seriousness of the cross.

2:40:02 Timothy: So the two go hand in hand.

2:40:04 Timothy: And when Sound Doctrine Church was put on trial, what happened is there were all these good things that were at Sound Doctrine Church, but that wasn't mentioned by all the individuals that either turned their back on Jesus Christ and no longer wanted to carry their cross, or those that were just, they're just hostile to Jesus in general, which is most of the world actually.

2:40:21 Timothy: And what they would do is just emphasize all the negative things that Jesus said.

2:40:25 Timothy: And that's what Simmons played to, and that he took their hatred, denied the truth, and we'll see you more again.

2:40:31 Timothy: And James says that they deny the truth, and that's because of selfish ambition.

2:40:35 Timothy: Let me read it again.

2:40:36 Timothy: While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, now he's teaching disciples know this.

2:40:43 Timothy: Uh people like Simmons and other people, well, Jesus isn't talking to them, he's not telling them, they can't even get close.

2:40:48 Timothy: Now, the disciples are not going to get this, but at least Jesus at this point is teaching them because he knows later on, once self and pride and selfish ambition have been crucified and put to death and dealt a powerful blow and humility is there, this is all gonna come back to life.

2:41:03 Timothy: This is gonna, oh, this is what he meant, this is what it's about.

2:41:05 Timothy: And they're going to rejoice in it.

2:41:08 Timothy: Since King County prosecutors, they certainly refuse to be broken, don't they, Jacob?

2:41:12 Timothy: Yes.

2:41:13 Timothy: They continue with the same darkness, the same lies.

2:41:16 Timothy: They quote unquote investigate themselves and, of course, find themselves innocent, and then they cover up how they investigate themselves.

2:41:23 Timothy: I mean, they protected a cop who literally structured accusations from a witness that had already, uh false witness that had already been manipulated, and the police in Enam Claw further built that on, and then King County prosecutors went from there on that.

2:41:39 Timothy: So humility is the last thing that's in the King County courthouse.

2:41:44 Timothy: Yeah.

2:41:44 Timothy: All right.

2:41:44 Timothy: So Jesus goes on, he says, listen carefully to what I'm about to tell you.

2:41:49 Timothy: They're all excited.

2:41:50 Timothy: They're all marveling, are they not, Jacob?

2:41:52 Timothy: Yeah.

2:41:53 Timothy: I would be too.

2:41:54 Timothy: If you were following Jesus and he's raising the dead and healing the sick.

2:41:57 Timothy: And I kind of keep repeating this, but think of all the good things that he did.

2:42:01 Timothy: Oh, you want to read in those.

2:42:03 Timothy: Go ahead.

2:42:04 Jacob: Well, you're just the miracles.

2:42:05 Jacob: You'd be fascinated.

2:42:07 Jacob: You'd be marveling.

2:42:08 Jacob: You'd be like, this is you've never seen this before ever.

2:42:11 Jacob: Oh, and certainly the contrast of the Pharisees and Sadducees, which were always what, pretty much, not belittling the people, but you know, it was horrible, right?

2:42:21 Jacob: The the the Pharisees at the time.

2:42:23 Timothy: It was they considered themselves above the people.

2:42:25 Timothy: They understood the scriptures.

2:42:26 Timothy: At one point they'll go, there's a curse on the mob.

2:42:29 Timothy: In other words, they're brain wars.

2:42:30 Timothy: It was that kind of thing.

2:42:31 Jacob: But when Jesus comes along and actually even cares about them at all, it's amazing.

2:42:36 Timothy: Absolutely.

2:42:37 Timothy: And that's normal.

2:42:38 Timothy: So Jesus goes away from the he immediately comes and he says, Listen carefully to what I'm about to tell you.

2:42:43 Timothy: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

2:42:47 Timothy: Now, verse 45, what does it say, Jacob, that first sentence there?

2:42:52 Jacob: But they did not understand what this meant.

2:42:57 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, how can I explain this?

2:43:00 Timothy: Many times with much of my sermons, they don't get it.

2:43:05 Timothy: I this is not an arrogant statement.

2:43:07 Timothy: This is the nature of scripture.

2:43:09 Timothy: It's above where they are at, whether mentally or spiritually or in their heart, but they did not understand what he meant.

2:43:18 Timothy: But as they move forward and as they continue to follow Jesus Christ, and as they don't turn their back on him, they begin to understand, and God is able to open their minds and their hearts to understand what the secret wisdom is of God.

2:43:31 Timothy: In fact, it says in verse 45, go ahead and read the rest of that, Jacob.

2:43:35 Jacob: But they did not understand what this meant.

2:43:38 Jacob: It was hidden from them so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

2:43:44 Timothy: You see, God at this point, it actually says it was hidden from them.

2:43:49 Timothy: Jacob, why do you think God is hiding it from them?

2:43:56 Jacob: Somehow it it was well, if it's hiding it from them, earlier it Jesus says that he it's he's talking to his disciples, and so the Lord is working it on purpose.

2:44:09 Jacob: Like they need to fail.

2:44:11 Jacob: They need to oh well their sin needs to be exposed, their true self, and then later they're gonna remember his words.

2:44:19 Timothy: I really like the way you put that.

2:44:21 Timothy: They need to fail.

2:44:23 Timothy: They need to fail, they need to be frustrated, they need to get beyond their understanding.

2:44:29 Timothy: You know, how can I compare this?

2:44:32 Timothy: Think of a child that you're teaching, right?

2:44:34 Timothy: And it's a concept you know is above them, but you're gonna tell them about it anyway because that's part of the learning process.

2:44:40 Timothy: So you you tell them, and sometimes the child, okay, I got it, I got it, and then you know they're gonna go out and fail because they don't get it.

2:44:47 Timothy: They they think they've got it, but they don't.

2:44:50 Timothy: Jesus and God cannot reveal it to them because they would just run with it in their sinful nature.

2:44:57 Timothy: It was hidden from them, so they did not grasp it.

2:45:00 Timothy: There's a lot of times, and there's other reasons for this.

2:45:03 Timothy: For one thing, God will come to us, like right now, there's an issue I'm praying about and going, Lord, I don't know what that means.

2:45:09 Timothy: I've never experienced that before.

2:45:11 Timothy: What is that?

2:45:12 Timothy: And I still don't have it.

2:45:13 Timothy: He hasn't told me what it is, and it's really almost more of an experience kind of thing.

2:45:18 Timothy: But he's at least, I think, poking my spirit and my heart to go, okay, what is this?

2:45:23 Timothy: I don't know what it is.

2:45:24 Timothy: He's working humility, a dependence upon him, and going past the well, whether I understand this or not, I'm still going to love you, and I know it'll get revealed somewhere down the line.

2:45:37 Timothy: It was hidden from them, so they did not grasp it and they were afraid to ask about it.

2:45:41 Timothy: So it kind of goes hand in hand.

2:45:43 Timothy: They're learning a little bit with Jesus, like, you know, we have asked some things in the past, or you know, like Peter, for example.

2:45:50 Timothy: Um what was he called, Jacob, by Jesus?

2:45:54 Timothy: Um he said, get behind me.

2:45:57 Timothy: Oh, Satan.

2:45:58 Timothy: He was called Satan.

2:45:59 Timothy: So would you not be a little more closed mouth about asking Jesus a question?

2:46:05 Jacob: Like a little slower, a little slower to open your mouth.

2:46:08 Timothy: Yeah, that that would sting a little bit, wouldn't it?

2:46:10 Timothy: Like Yeah, get behind me, Satan.

2:46:14 Jacob: Especially when Peter had said that in front of everyone, right?

2:46:18 Jacob: Correct.

2:46:18 Jacob: And then in this right here in this verse, they're all trying to figure out who's the greatest.

2:46:24 Timothy: Right.

2:46:24 Timothy: And well, and plus too, you had to of course again what God's trying to do is break their pride or whatever.

2:46:29 Timothy: I'm kind of wondering if they would have worked past the fear and said, explain it to us if he might have done that.

2:46:35 Timothy: I I there's no way for me to kind of know that.

2:46:38 Timothy: Um but I think a lot of times when you're explaining stuff and nobody wants doesn't want to look like they don't understand something, you just kind of get quiet and act like you do.

2:46:49 Timothy: All right.

2:46:50 Timothy: So they're afraid to ask and talk about that, but but here, Prosecutor Simmons, they're not afraid to do this.

2:46:57 Timothy: This is important.

2:46:58 Timothy: And in Luke 9 46, this is what they're not afraid to do.

2:47:02 Timothy: In fact, they're they're so blind and they're so stupid and so dull and dumb, they don't know to just keep shutting up.

2:47:11 Timothy: I mean, they're shut up on some this one thing, like, eh, okay, I'm afraid to ask him, but it the humility doesn't go very far, does it, Jacob?

2:47:20 Timothy: No.

2:47:21 Timothy: What happens in Luke chapter 9, verse 46, Jacob?

2:47:25 Timothy: They are gonna argue.

2:47:28 Timothy: Argue.

2:47:29 Timothy: And what are they arguing about?

2:47:32 Timothy: Which one of them would be the greatest?

2:47:35 Timothy: Now think about Jesus Christ has just said, hey, look, guys, I'm going to be betrayed, and I'm gonna go into the hands of man.

2:47:42 Timothy: Now, on the server of things, Jacob, does that sound like a good thing or a bad thing?

2:47:46 Timothy: Bad thing.

2:47:47 Timothy: Whether you understand it or not, or you know, whether you understand the particulars or what's going on, if I said, Yeah, hey Jacob, I'm gonna be betrayed today into the hands of King County prosecutors.

2:48:00 Timothy: Uh, wouldn't you wouldn't you at least like be sober-minded, like, oh man, what are you gonna go through, right?

2:48:06 Timothy: Sure.

2:48:08 Timothy: But did they have any concern for Jesus?

2:48:10 Timothy: Apparently not.

2:48:11 Timothy: Apparently not.

2:48:13 Timothy: It's almost also they didn't understand.

2:48:16 Jacob: They didn't understand, but that doesn't mean they didn't catch the words.

2:48:20 Jacob: Correct, because at this point, uh it says to which one of them would be the greatest.

2:48:25 Jacob: So they kind of knew he was gonna be gone.

2:48:29 Timothy: Well, I'm gonna go a little bit further now.

2:48:31 Timothy: We're looking at that.

2:48:32 Timothy: If you said, Jacob, I'm going to be betrayed and no longer be in my position of authority, that I think they got that.

2:48:39 Timothy: And so now they wanted to know, well, which one is gonna be in charge?

2:48:42 Timothy: Yeah.

2:48:43 Timothy: Now that is selfish ambition.

2:48:45 Timothy: Don't you realize like at King County uh court or the prosecutor's office, right?

2:48:50 Timothy: If somebody said, Yeah, I'm losing my job today, what what really is beginning to happen back behind the scenes?

2:48:57 Timothy: Well, every yeah, everybody wants to move up the ladder.

2:49:00 Timothy: Right.

2:49:00 Timothy: They want they want to seize their position.

2:49:03 Timothy: They might go, um, oh, that's too bad, but inside they're smiling, they're happy.

2:49:08 Timothy: Sure.

2:49:09 Timothy: Because why?

2:49:10 Timothy: They get to have a chance to go in that position, and that's what's happening here.

2:49:16 Timothy: And that was the opening scripture we'll get to here in a moment, hopefully, today, that where you have selfish ambition, you have every evil practice and disorder.

2:49:24 Timothy: So here we are.

2:49:25 Timothy: This is Jesus Christ who loved mankind with a selfless love, is going to lay down his life, and he's going, by the way, guys, I'm not going to be in my position any longer.

2:49:35 Timothy: And so they don't even put their arms around him and say, Well, let's pray, or what that's about, or man, that just doesn't sound good.

2:49:41 Timothy: What's going on?

2:49:42 Timothy: Instead, they start arguing amongst themselves like I'm the greatest.

2:49:48 Timothy: I'm trying to picture the situation.

2:49:54 Timothy: Jacob, do you think it would have been a clear argument?

2:49:58 Jacob: No, I don't think it would have been a clear argument.

2:50:01 Timothy: You know, I I I tend to think it would be for some reason.

2:50:04 Timothy: Okay.

2:50:05 Timothy: An argument started about this like it was like, because you see it in other places where they're gonna go, no, I'm the greatest, or I am the greatest, and I don't want to be, but but I hear you, it can come out in a lot of different ways.

2:50:15 Timothy: But arguments brew.

2:50:17 Timothy: You know what I'm saying?

2:50:18 Timothy: It's like I I hear what you're saying in the beginning.

2:50:21 Timothy: Somebody go, hmm, well, I guess I'll be the one in charge.

2:50:24 Timothy: You know, you you whisper it.

2:50:25 SPEAKER_12: Sure.

2:50:26 Timothy: And then somebody else, well, well, no, I don't I don't think you're qualified.

2:50:29 Timothy: And so it's an argument, so it builds over time.

2:50:32 Timothy: Um, that's you're probably more correct than I am.

2:50:34 Timothy: I tend to just be more blunt, like, no, no, I'm the greatest, you know, and so it's mine, get out of the way.

2:50:39 Timothy: Um, I don't know if that's me or not.

2:50:42 Timothy: And I said you get my point.

2:50:44 Timothy: I get your point.

2:50:45 Timothy: I get your point.

2:50:47 Timothy: Verse 47 actually, I think really confirms your point.

2:50:51 Timothy: It says, Jesus knowing their thoughts.

2:50:53 Timothy: So it's not a like I'm going to wrestle you down argument.

2:51:00 Timothy: He he's realizing what's going through their minds and their thoughts, and it's probably mumbling out.

2:51:05 Timothy: So I think you're more correct, Jacob.

2:51:07 Timothy: Jesus knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him.

2:51:14 Timothy: Interesting thought.

2:51:15 Timothy: I need to stop at this point because just like people like at King County Prosecutor's Office, everybody's jocing for a position.

2:51:22 Timothy: You know, one wants to be woman of the year and the other wants to be Korean woman of the year.

2:51:26 Timothy: And you know, I don't do the are the men even like up to game or are they a bunch of mama boys?

2:51:32 Jacob: I don't know.

2:51:32 Jacob: I guess they're a bunch of mama boys.

2:51:34 Jacob: They have to take the back seat due to society pressures.

2:51:37 Timothy: Man, I you know, I'm not saying men are superior.

2:51:41 Timothy: That that's what I'm saying.

2:51:42 Timothy: But to play like they're all your mother and they're just gonna babe you and put you in a rollover.

2:51:48 Timothy: Man, that's that's disgusting.

2:51:51 Timothy: Uh dehumanizing among other things.

2:51:53 Timothy: All right, Jesus knowing their thoughts.

2:51:54 Timothy: So the the argument's among their minds, and he knows what's going on.

2:51:58 Timothy: Then he said to them, Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me.

2:52:03 Timothy: And whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

2:52:07 Timothy: For he who is least among you all, he is the greatest.

2:52:13 Timothy: Jesus Christ is doing more than just saying to them, guys, your pride and in your mind and in your thoughts.

2:52:19 Timothy: I mean, he can read their minds going, What why are you talking like he he doesn't engage in the argument, he's trying to hit the heart, isn't he, Jacob?

2:52:28 Timothy: Yes.

2:52:29 Timothy: Whoever welcomes this little child, in fact, it's an object lesson.

2:52:34 Timothy: You gotta praise God for his patience.

2:52:37 Timothy: I don't know about you, but if there's an argument going on and you want to make a point, don't don't you want to be as direct as possible?

2:52:45 Timothy: Isn't isn't that what we want to do?

2:52:47 Jacob: That's how you usually, if you want to win an argument.

2:52:50 Timothy: Yeah, you you step up to the plate and you just kind of go at it and lay it out.

2:52:54 Timothy: Clearly, in fact, well, whatever, be the man or woman that you're meant to be, and don't let anybody walk on.

2:53:00 Timothy: I mean, that's that's Satan's message.

2:53:02 Timothy: But Jesus is more subtle, and the reason that he is in this particular case is he's trying to break the heart.

2:53:10 Timothy: These guys are going to remember seeing and hearing this a lot more than Jesus just at this point saying that you're in pride.

2:53:18 Timothy: And there was a lot of that that went into Sound Doctrine Church where there was a lot of subtlety.

2:53:22 Timothy: There were clear rebukes, and Jesus does do that at times, but there was a lot of abject, small, quiet lessons done by the Holy Spirit.

2:53:32 Timothy: And those that don't respond to this and betray Jesus in the end become more hostile because they're remembering these things.

2:53:40 Timothy: It'd be like putting the one of the betrayer disciples on the stand and go, Well, what Jesus was authoritative.

2:53:47 Timothy: What did he do?

2:53:48 Timothy: Well, you're gonna look pretty stupid saying, well, he brought a child among himself and he said we got to become like children.

2:53:55 Timothy: That that's why they can never offer specifics that were truthful and honest, because this is an abject lesson by humility, with humility, and through humility.

2:54:06 Timothy: Make sense?

2:54:07 Jacob: Makes sense.

2:54:09 Timothy: And the sub question we can't get to today, of course, is what kind of leadership do most people want?

2:54:16 Timothy: They're not going to want what Jesus is talking about.

2:54:19 Timothy: No.

2:54:20 Timothy: They do not want pastors that are powerful little children.

2:54:25 Timothy: You know, they want pastors they can manipulate, pastors that'll tell them what they want to hear, or you know, pastors that leave them alone and don't actually rebuke them.

2:54:34 Timothy: Correct.

2:54:34 Timothy: Or strong enough just to make them feel that they're getting a strong enough message.

2:54:37 Timothy: It depends what what what you're after there, kind of thing.

2:54:40 Timothy: Anything else before we move on to the next scripture?

2:54:44 Timothy: No.

2:54:45 Timothy: Go ahead and play Mark chapter 10, and we'll discuss this a little bit more.

2:54:50 SPEAKER_01: Mark 10, 35 through 45.

2:54:54 SPEAKER_01: Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him.

2:54:58 SPEAKER_01: Teacher, they said, We want you to do for us whatever we ask.

2:55:03 SPEAKER_01: What do you want me to do for you?

2:55:04 SPEAKER_01: He asked.

2:55:06 SPEAKER_01: They replied, Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.

2:55:12 SPEAKER_01: You don't know what you are asking, Jesus said.

2:55:14 SPEAKER_01: Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?

2:55:20 SPEAKER_01: We can, they answered.

2:55:22 SPEAKER_01: Jesus said to them, You will drink the cup I drink, and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant.

2:55:34 SPEAKER_01: These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.

2:55:38 SPEAKER_01: When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John.

Not So With You Serve

2:55:42 SPEAKER_01: Jesus called them together and said, You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.

2:55:52 SPEAKER_01: Not so with you.

2:55:54 SPEAKER_01: Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants To be first, must be slave of all.

2:56:03 SPEAKER_01: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

2:56:12 Timothy: Any initial takes on that, Jacob?

2:56:15 Jacob: Um it's I think it's kind of crazy when has if we go to the the first part, 1035, that when has anybody really walked up and be like, I would like you to give me whatever I ask?

2:56:28 Timothy: Well, pretty boring actually actually I it happens more than you think.

2:56:33 Timothy: Do not people go into prayer or group prayer and just start mouthing off whatever they want.

2:56:39 Jacob: Yeah, whatever they want.

2:56:40 Jacob: That's true.

2:56:41 Jacob: Yeah.

2:56:41 Timothy: Okay.

2:56:43 Timothy: It happens all the time.

2:56:45 Timothy: Now I agree with you.

2:56:47 Timothy: This is like um setting yourself up for trouble.

2:56:51 Timothy: To go into Jesus, who again, I won't repeat all the miracles and things he did, right?

2:56:54 Timothy: And go, hey, hey, Jesus, you know, we're buds, we're tight, we're out here with you.

2:56:59 Timothy: Uh, we've forsaked everything.

2:57:01 Timothy: We left our wife and kids at home, and we don't have any money.

2:57:04 Timothy: And we're you know that the implication is we are tight.

2:57:07 Timothy: We're in good.

2:57:08 Timothy: Yes.

2:57:09 Timothy: And so, Jesus, we want you to do for us whatever we ask.

2:57:14 Timothy: That I agree.

2:57:16 Timothy: That's an amazing request.

2:57:19 Jacob: It's like, well, because it's a worldly thing, right?

2:57:21 Jacob: Like uh I uh what's it?

2:57:23 Jacob: I scratch your back, you scratch mine.

2:57:24 Jacob: So like Jesus, we left everything, right?

2:57:26 Jacob: We're scratching your back, and we're following you, and we do you're we're doing whatever you want us to do, so we can't we want something out of the deal.

2:57:34 Timothy: Uh you bring up a good point.

2:57:36 Timothy: I did not catch that part.

2:57:37 Timothy: I'm just I don't know.

2:57:38 Jacob: I'm just saying, you know, it's like a worldly attitude because then obviously he goes he and he he rebukes them and he's like, well, this is the wrong attitude.

2:57:47 Timothy: Okay.

2:57:48 Timothy: Amen.

2:57:49 Timothy: Good point.

2:57:50 Timothy: I could chew on that one for a little while.

2:57:52 Timothy: So we want you to do for us whatever we ask.

2:57:55 Timothy: Amazing question.

2:57:57 Timothy: Especially when you've been rebuked before, and it's not like Jesus hasn't put you in a place.

2:58:02 Timothy: So our main point, really up front, real fast, and again, these are all hour-long sermons, is how easily we're puffed up and how easily we think we're in a relationship with God, and how much we need to be humbled by Jesus Christ.

2:58:14 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, your point for you is that's what Sound Doctrine Church was like.

2:58:18 Timothy: Everybody came in, and I say everybody, in their flesh, and they're asking from Jesus, well, I want this or I want that, or will God do this or that over there?

2:58:27 Timothy: And it takes some time, sometimes a long time for people to learn to be a humble servant and say, Okay, Lord, what is it you want to will and work?

2:58:39 Timothy: Humility is far from them.

2:58:41 Timothy: All right, Jesus, Mark chapter 10, verse 36 says, He doesn't go, hey guys, you know that that's a silly prayer.

2:58:47 Timothy: Be careful again what you're praying.

2:58:49 Timothy: Uh give it some serious thought.

2:58:52 Timothy: You might go, Lord, I want to I want a ministry that's powerful of you, right?

2:58:58 Timothy: Uh really, you want to be persecuted?

2:59:00 Timothy: You want to be ran from town to town, you want to be known for standing for the word of God, all the word of God, no matter what happens.

2:59:07 Timothy: Really, really, you know, they don't know what they're asking.

2:59:09 Timothy: What do you want me to do for you?

2:59:10 Timothy: So Jesus, okay, fine.

2:59:11 Timothy: What do you guys want?

2:59:13 Timothy: Which underscores another thing.

2:59:15 Timothy: Jesus is willing to address everything that we come to him in prayer, and I don't have time to get into all that.

2:59:22 Timothy: But the answer to that prayer will be in accordance with the word of God and with the cross of Jesus Christ.

2:59:29 Timothy: Just do a casual reading of Psalms 119 over and over again.

2:59:34 Timothy: He says, answer me according to your word.

2:59:37 Timothy: Lift me up according to your word.

2:59:40 Timothy: What you find is in a lot of prayer in the church, they're not saying according to the word or according to the truth.

2:59:46 Timothy: It's just this is what we want, and it's a superficial understanding that somehow Jesus is Santa Claus or what a smiling jack Jesus.

2:59:53 Timothy: They're blunt with their answer.

2:59:55 Timothy: Read Mark chapter 10, verse 37, Jacob.

2:59:58 Timothy: They're blunt.

3:00:00 Jacob: They replied, Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.

3:00:07 Timothy: They have faith.

3:00:08 Timothy: They are they see something's going to happen.

3:00:10 Timothy: Now they may be misplaced in their understanding of what that glory is.

3:00:13 Timothy: They may think it's a worldly government or in heaven.

3:00:16 Timothy: I I'm not sure.

3:00:16 Timothy: It really doesn't matter.

3:00:18 Timothy: But aren't they very clear about what they want?

3:00:21 Timothy: They know Jesus is going places.

3:00:22 Jacob: He's going somewhere.

3:00:24 Timothy: And we want to be there.

3:00:25 Timothy: Not just there.

3:00:26 Jacob: Yeah, we want to be right next to you.

3:00:28 Timothy: Right or left.

3:00:29 Timothy: Doesn't matter.

3:00:30 Timothy: In fact, they're probably going, you know, we're humble enough, we'll sit on the right or left side.

3:00:34 Timothy: Sure, yeah.

3:00:34 Timothy: It doesn't matter what which side you do, because Lord, you're Lord, and we're just humble.

3:00:39 Timothy: We're willing to accept either the right or the left.

3:00:42 Timothy: And uh we're not going to argue about either position.

3:00:45 Timothy: All right.

3:00:46 Timothy: Jesus, always a man of truth.

3:00:48 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, Judge Craig Smith, you have to understand Sound Doctrine Church was a church of truth.

3:00:56 Timothy: People would come in all the time with what they want or think they understand, or what's this scripture saying here?

3:01:06 Timothy: Some of it was getting close to what the truth is, some of it was way off.

3:01:09 Timothy: I mean, look, I've dealt with people who one guy he dealt with sexual immorality, so he came in with scripture that you know David had concubines and he wanted to have concubines.

3:01:20 Timothy: Well, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer, but I'm just giving you an idea.

3:01:23 Timothy: When you're dealing with the sinful nature of people that are coming in to pick up their cross, there's going to be confusion, there's going to be frustration.

3:01:33 Timothy: They're going to be told things they don't want to hear or things they think they hear, but they need to be crucified in.

3:01:39 Timothy: And when you drag that into a secular, godless courtroom and you bring in all of that confusion, you are doing nothing more than persecuting and prosecuting the love of Jesus Christ that is trying to deal with people's hearts.

3:01:56 Timothy: Look, Sound Doctor Church was not a law firm.

3:01:59 Timothy: We didn't come together and everybody pick their words and pick this advice here and go direct here and get everything exact and a little common.

3:02:07 Timothy: We weren't allowed to twist the law and pervert the law and bring things around.

3:02:11 Timothy: We're dealing with hearts here.

3:02:13 Timothy: And you you bring in your cold, calculated, we're going to destroy you, we're going to take you down, we have all the power, we exercise it, we're going to crush you.

3:02:23 Timothy: That's not what sound doctrine was about.

3:02:25 Timothy: When we say in sound doctrine, as disciples, you're going to be crushed, it's by the loving hand of Jesus Christ.

3:02:33 Timothy: Does it feel good?

3:02:34 Timothy: No, being crucified with Christ is not a pleasurable thing.

3:02:37 Timothy: But you do it and remain because of the resurrected life.

3:02:43 Timothy: Anything on that before I press on?

3:02:45 Timothy: It's a little bit of a mini sermon out there, Jacob.

3:02:47 Timothy: No.

3:02:48 Timothy: All right.

3:02:48 Timothy: You don't know what you're asking, Jesus said.

3:02:50 Timothy: So Jesus poses the question All right, I'm considering your request.

3:02:55 Timothy: That's why scripture says, let your words be few.

3:02:58 Timothy: God's in heaven and you're on earth, so basically shut up.

3:03:01 Timothy: Let your words be few.

3:03:03 Timothy: Um took me a long time to learn that, but that's real wisdom.

3:03:08 Timothy: All right, so Jesus says, Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I'm baptized with?

3:03:14 Timothy: Alright, what do you think, Jacob?

3:03:15 Timothy: They're gonna go, no, I need a little more prayer, I need a little more time.

3:03:20 Timothy: Uh what do you think they're gonna say?

3:03:22 Jacob: Nope, of course they can.

3:03:23 Timothy: Correct.

3:03:24 Timothy: Read verse or verse 39, the first two words.

3:03:28 Timothy: We can.

3:03:29 Timothy: We can.

3:03:29 Timothy: No hesitation.

3:03:30 Timothy: Yep.

3:03:31 Timothy: Yep, I'll do it.

3:03:32 Timothy: I'll me, me, me, me.

3:03:34 Timothy: You know, we can, they answered.

3:03:36 Timothy: All right, Jesus said to them, You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I'm baptized with.

3:03:44 Timothy: But, and he's answering their prayer, isn't he, Jacob?

3:03:47 Timothy: He he's giving the answer, the answer is no.

3:03:49 Timothy: How many people don't seem to realize that so much of what we pray is, well, no.

3:03:53 Timothy: A, you don't understand what you're saying.

3:03:55 Timothy: It's contrary to God's will, or maybe it is God's will, or maybe it's in the future, or maybe it's not for today.

3:04:00 Timothy: Jesus goes, No, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant.

3:04:06 Timothy: These places belong to those for whom has been prepared.

3:04:11 Timothy: Everything comes back to God, Mr.

3:04:12 Timothy: Simmons.

3:04:14 Timothy: Nobody at Sound Doctrine Church got by with jockey for a position or a power play.

3:04:23 Timothy: I certainly didn't even have the energy being cried to exercise authority.

3:04:29 Timothy: I mean, that is so foreign to not only love, but it's the opposite of Jesus Christ.

3:04:36 Timothy: It didn't even come to mind.

3:04:37 Timothy: I'd been a disciple for Jesus for decades, and by the time I got to Sound Doctrine Church, no comparison as to the person that I was.

3:04:46 Timothy: I'd ask you, Jacob, to say that amen, but everybody would kind of expect you to say amen.

3:04:51 Timothy: But for the sake of the truth, is it true?

3:04:54 Jacob: Yes, it's true.

3:04:55 Timothy: All right.

3:04:56 Timothy: And the reason I say that is because there is power in the blood of Jesus Christ to humble, to break, to crucify, to deal with sinful, to deal with pride, selfishness, greed.

3:05:06 Timothy: Just I'm not like King County prosecutors.

3:05:10 Timothy: I'm not like you because of the grace of God.

3:05:15 Timothy: The only difference between me and King County prosecutors is I was willing to humble myself.

3:05:24 Timothy: Mark chapter 10, verse 41.

3:05:26 Timothy: The rest of the ten are not getting this concept.

3:05:29 Timothy: This is when the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John.

3:05:34 Timothy: Man, you can just see it going wild at this point.

3:05:38 Timothy: Jesus called them together and said, and look at he's doing this again.

3:05:43 Timothy: It's always breaking out.

3:05:45 Timothy: Selfish ambition, dealing with that kind of pride and sin in man does not go down easy.

3:05:53 Timothy: It doesn't go down easy.

3:05:55 Timothy: Jesus called them together and said, You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles, you know, King County prosecutors, lord it over and their high officials, woman of the year, Judge Laurie K.

3:06:07 Timothy: Smith, exercise authority over them.

3:06:09 Timothy: Not so with you.

3:06:11 Timothy: There's the commandment, there's the clarity, like knock it off, guys.

3:06:15 Timothy: That's called a rebuke, Simmons.

3:06:17 Timothy: It's called a life-giving rebuke.

3:06:19 Timothy: Not so with you.

3:06:20 Timothy: Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.

3:06:25 Timothy: You know, first of all, getting the concept, Jacob, you understand that Jesus says, Yeah, you got to become a servant of all, right?

3:06:31 Timothy: Mm-hmm.

3:06:32 Timothy: Well, understanding it is not the same as possessing it.

3:06:36 Timothy: Early on, I mean, early on, reading scripture when I was baptized in the 70s, I yeah, I read it, but when I looked at my life and looked at the stubbornness and the selfishness and all the things that I was, it's like I didn't possess it, but I understood it was there.

3:06:54 Timothy: And I would pray to God, okay, work it, bring it about.

3:06:58 Timothy: The the biggest thing that frustrated me way back when in the church was they'd always the those that kind of preach this would lay it out there, but they never told you how to do it.

3:07:08 Timothy: It's kind of like, yeah, become a servant of all.

3:07:10 Timothy: Well, okay, exactly.

3:07:11 Timothy: How does that work?

3:07:12 Timothy: How do we do that?

3:07:13 Timothy: Because they weren't really trying to live it.

3:07:15 Timothy: And because I tell you, the how you live it is you have to let God crucify you, and it hurts.

3:07:20 Timothy: So I come to God and say, Okay, Lord, teach me to be a servant of all, and situations would come up, people would come into my life, he would convict me, his word convicted me, would demonstrate and draw out my pride.

3:07:33 Timothy: Just one really quick example.

3:07:35 Timothy: Young man didn't have that much patience, right?

3:07:39 Timothy: And being young and married at that time, so you know, I'm a young, stupid husband kind of routine, go get her, young, all the energy, all that that kind of stuff going on.

3:07:49 Timothy: So I'm in the prayer closets, saying realizing, man, Lord, I need more patience.

3:07:53 Timothy: I I I I just need to slow down and be patient with people.

3:07:56 Timothy: And so my wife at the time would interrupt my prayer time, and I would go, What do you want?

3:08:03 Timothy: So I'm praying about it on the one hand, and then I'm getting irritated because I'm being interrupted.

3:08:09 Timothy: Get my point?

3:08:10 Timothy: I get your point.

3:08:10 Timothy: You gotta let God do the work, and that takes time.

3:08:13 Timothy: And prosecutor Simmons, you're wasting a lot of time.

3:08:16 Timothy: I mean, I at least Lord drew me when I was in my twenties.

3:08:20 Timothy: You are wasting time.

3:08:22 Timothy: And the amount of blessing you could lay hold of this, I I mean, that's all in God's hand, but but better get on with it if you want it all.

3:08:30 Timothy: And Judge Laurie K.

3:08:31 Timothy: Smith, they'll know.

3:08:32 Timothy: I mean, you know, it I doesn't even strike me that you're even concerned about it.

3:08:38 Timothy: Instead, whoever wants to be great among you must be your servant.

3:08:41 Timothy: Whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

3:08:46 Timothy: Jacob, can you go into any bookstore, Christian let's just do Christian bookstore right now and go, yeah, where's your section of books on being a slave to all?

3:08:56 Jacob: No, I don't think so.

3:08:57 Timothy: Where's the uh slave you can't find that anywhere?

3:09:00 Jacob: No.

3:09:00 Jacob: There's you not down the aisles, and they would be like, huh?

3:09:04 Jacob: What?

3:09:05 Jacob: Wait, wait.

3:09:05 Timothy: Well, you know, how to put a good marriage together, so how can I be a slave to my family?

3:09:10 Jacob: No, they don't, yeah, no, there's no slave words in their their own.

3:09:17 Timothy: Now, surely you have been to weddings, right?

3:09:20 Timothy: Uh a a male and female, I gotta clarify.

3:09:23 Jacob: Yes.

3:09:23 Timothy: Right.

3:09:24 Timothy: And the the pastor turns to the woman and says, Do you take so-and-so to be your lawfully wedded husband, to be a slave to him?

3:09:33 Timothy: Yeah, yes.

3:09:34 Timothy: No, you've never heard of it.

3:09:35 Timothy: You've seen that?

3:09:36 Timothy: No, no, I haven't.

3:09:37 Timothy: No, I know.

3:09:39 Timothy: You'd be ran out.

3:09:40 Timothy: I she'd probably come unglued and come after you.

3:09:43 Timothy: You know what I'm saying?

3:09:43 Timothy: It's not gonna the family would come after you about it.

3:09:46 Timothy: Oh, you're wondering in control.

3:09:47 Timothy: Oh, the slander be here.

3:09:48 Jacob: Then you'd have the objections in the weddings, you know, uh, you can speak now or forever hold your peace.

3:09:52 Jacob: I object.

3:09:53 Timothy: That's why the prosecution that prosecutor Simmons actually did did a pathetic job.

3:09:58 Timothy: You could have said, Well, what does Tim Williams preach about people serving?

3:10:02 Timothy: Well, we were supposed to be slaves to him.

3:10:03 Jacob: Yeah.

3:10:04 Jacob: Oh, yeah, that's true.

3:10:05 Jacob: Yeah.

3:10:05 Jacob: Well, but it but but that's because then if you go to the scripture, it doesn't say be a slave to Jesus or a slave to leadership, it's a slave of all.

3:10:12 Timothy: Correct, correct.

3:10:13 Timothy: And that's why they didn't pull it off.

3:10:14 Timothy: But you know, that didn't stop.

3:10:15 Timothy: Look, Simmons had nothing to do with logic.

3:10:18 Jacob: No, yeah, that I see what you mean, though.

3:10:20 Jacob: Yeah, you could have twisted it that way.

3:10:21 Timothy: Oh, yeah, and the way you ask the questions, and then Judge Laurie K.

3:10:24 Timothy: Smith's not gonna let you respond in a way that's gonna actually clarify.

3:10:27 Timothy: And Detective McCall is gonna say everything comes back to him because he's the slave master kind of routine.

3:10:33 Timothy: So it's a no-win situation.

3:10:34 Timothy: I'm just saying he did a pretty poor job.

3:10:36 Timothy: Sure.

3:10:36 Timothy: I wish he'd have called me.

3:10:37 Timothy: I'd have done the prosecution part of it and really brought it where it needed to be.

3:10:41 Timothy: Yeah.

3:10:41 Timothy: Oh, I'd have done it.

3:10:43 Timothy: We we could have put Malcolm on the stand, I could have laid all this out, and he could have answered according to the truth.

3:10:48 Timothy: Mark chapter 10, verse 45, for even the son of man, even the son of man did not come to be served.

3:10:58 Timothy: Please be assured, I never, ever, one time prayed to be a pastor or to be a preacher.

3:11:06 Timothy: Never.

3:11:06 Timothy: Didn't it didn't even come to mind.

3:11:07 Timothy: I'm not telling you there aren't other people that prayed that and it's an and God works it, but I just never prayed.

3:11:14 Timothy: That's just me.

3:11:14 Timothy: I never did.

3:11:16 Timothy: In fact, he just laid hold of me, began the crushing process, formulating this kind of concept, like, yeah, I want to be a preacher.

3:11:24 Timothy: But to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many, not just any type of servant, but to actually serve, to actually see that somebody is serving.

3:11:37 Timothy: This isn't enough for lip service.

3:11:39 Timothy: Again, I want to go back to can you find any tracks in any churches?

3:11:42 Timothy: How to be a slave at all, Jacob?

3:11:44 Timothy: No, you cannot find these tracks.

3:11:46 Timothy: I mean, I'm asking, is this not central to who Jesus Christ is and what he's called us to be?

3:11:52 Timothy: Yes.

3:11:53 Timothy: Have you heard any leadership seminars like come to the leadership seminar, you who want to be leaders, and we're going to teach you how to be a slave to everybody in the congregation.

3:12:04 Timothy: No, I haven't seen it.

3:12:05 Timothy: It's not even talked about.

3:12:07 Timothy: No.

3:12:08 Timothy: Why?

3:12:09 Timothy: Because nobody seems to know the glory of it.

3:12:14 Timothy: But make no mistake about it, it's a humility-breaking thing to our flesh.

3:12:18 Timothy: Now, once you grab a hold of it, it's life and you get it.

3:12:22 Timothy: But no man gets to that naturally.

3:12:24 Timothy: It's not like, you know, he's just baptized and all of a sudden there are people that go around serving, but in their hearts are not slaves of all.

3:12:31 Timothy: And this is according to the Holy Spirit and how he works it.

3:12:34 Timothy: There's a big difference here.

3:12:35 Timothy: I'm not enslaved to King County prosecutors, but I will be a slave and a servant to them.

3:12:40 Timothy: There's a difference.

3:12:42 Timothy: I'm a slave of Jesus Christ.

3:12:44 Timothy: And so when I serve other people, when I'm a slave to them, it's through his guidance and direction.

3:12:49 Timothy: So, so please, I'm begging you, don't play me for a fool.

3:12:54 Timothy: I'm not enslaved to any man, but I'm a slave to every man.

3:12:58 Timothy: Does that make sense?

3:13:01 Timothy: Hmm.

3:13:02 Timothy: All right, Jacob.

3:13:03 Timothy: Let's talk about woman of the year.

3:13:06 Timothy: Let's play the clip.

3:13:09 SPEAKER_07: Chief Judge Laurie K.

3:13:11 SPEAKER_07: Smith won an award.

3:13:13 SPEAKER_07: What award, you ask?

3:13:15 SPEAKER_07: What?

3:13:16 SPEAKER_07: Being a woman, of course.

3:13:19 SPEAKER_07: A woman judge in Seattle, Washington?

3:13:21 SPEAKER_07: A state infamous for abusing good laws to show favoritism towards You guessed it.

Awards Favoritism And Worldly Wisdom

3:13:29 SPEAKER_07: Women, all of which proves Judge Smith is not a Christian.

3:13:35 SPEAKER_07: One gentleman for fun.

3:13:37 SPEAKER_07: They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.

3:13:42 SPEAKER_07: And the world listens to them.

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3:14:01 Timothy: The only reason that Judge Laurie K.

3:14:03 Timothy: Smith is woman of the year, and by the way, Jacob, she didn't win that award once, but twice.

3:14:09 Timothy: Oh, twice.

3:14:11 Timothy: So she's a twice winner of Woman of the Year.

3:14:16 Timothy: What I couldn't find was Man of the Year Awards.

3:14:20 Timothy: Or white man of the year awards, you know, that laid down the laws and the Constitution and the Bill of the Rights that allowed for Judge Laurie K.

3:14:30 Timothy: Smith to get into her position.

3:14:32 Timothy: Didn't find any of that going on.

3:14:34 Timothy: But that's not my point today.

3:14:36 Timothy: They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.

3:14:39 Timothy: The reason that Judge Laurie K.

3:14:41 Timothy: Smith won Woman of the Year twice in a row was because she is of this world, not a Christian.

3:14:49 Timothy: Jacob, can you imagine if I were a judge showing no partiality to prosecutors or police or a defendant or anybody on the stand, I don't care who they could be a woman accusing somebody or you know, a woman defending somebody.

3:15:04 Timothy: It doesn't matter.

3:15:05 Timothy: I would show absolutely zero favoritism.

3:15:10 Timothy: Would I win an award?

3:15:12 Timothy: No, you would not win an award.

3:15:14 Jacob: Well, isn't not showing favoritism a good quality?

3:15:18 Jacob: It's a good quality, but not not for winning awards.

3:15:23 Jacob: Especially if they knew I was a Christian, right?

3:15:25 Jacob: Sure.

3:15:25 Timothy: Oh yes.

3:15:26 Timothy: I'm pretty confident Judge Laurie K.

3:15:28 Timothy: Smith claims the name as among a lot of Mark Larson claimed to be a Christian.

3:15:32 Timothy: All these people do.

3:15:34 Timothy: So winning this award, clearly it's because they don't show any favoritism.

3:15:40 Jacob: No, that's not what they won the award for.

3:15:43 Timothy: No, they won the award for being a woman, showing her perspective, her bias.

3:15:51 Timothy: For one thing, it's not needed in King County courts.

3:15:54 Timothy: Aren't judges, all judges, supposed to represent the truth, the law, to allow everybody equal justice under the law?

3:16:03 Timothy: Isn't that what should be going on, Jacob?

3:16:05 Jacob: That's what they're supposed to do.

3:16:07 Timothy: Well, the minute that you introduce, well, I'm a woman, you're bringing your bias into the situation.

3:16:12 Timothy: You've already negated that which you were called to do, which was self-evident in this trial, obviously, on multiple levels.

3:16:18 Timothy: One, she's African American.

3:16:19 Timothy: In fact, when it says that she run the won the award, that's what they literally state.

3:16:24 Timothy: She's an Afro-Amer African American woman bringing a different perspective, blah, blah, blah, to the Judicism.

3:16:32 Timothy: In other words, she's biased.

3:16:33 Timothy: She gives us what we want.

3:16:34 Timothy: And there's an innocent man in prison today because she refuses to repent of her pride and her arrogance.

3:16:40 Timothy: And all these men, King County prosecutors, bowed down to this and allow this favoritism to go on.

3:16:46 Timothy: And they are very willing for a corrupt cop to manipulate an accuser with a church that they don't like and to let it go on for decades, all because of why selfish in this inner selfish ambition and their pride and their arrogance.

3:17:02 Timothy: What utter fools.

3:17:04 Timothy: It's not even a good representation of the law, let alone of Jesus Christ.

3:17:08 Timothy: Correct?

3:17:09 Jacob: Correct.

3:17:10 Timothy: All right.

3:17:10 Timothy: Well, 1 John 4, 4, what I just said earlier.

3:17:13 Timothy: I'm a slave to all men, but I'm not an enslaved to any man.

3:17:16 Timothy: You dear children are from God and have overcome them.

3:17:21 Timothy: I've overcome King County prosecutors.

3:17:23 Timothy: I've overcome Judge Laurie K.

3:17:25 Timothy: Smith.

3:17:26 Timothy: I've overcome the current governor.

3:17:27 Timothy: I am overcoming all these people.

3:17:29 Timothy: They might enslave, they might do whatever they can do, they might exercise their authority, but they do not control my heart and faith toward Jesus Christ.

3:17:40 Timothy: You are from God and have overcome them because the one who is in you, this is not religion.

3:17:48 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, this is not some outward dogma that the church puts together.

3:17:53 Timothy: This is Jesus Christ in us.

3:17:56 Timothy: And just as Jesus Christ was denied justice, but he overcame.

3:18:00 Timothy: The world by way of the cross.

3:18:01 Timothy: I walk in those footsteps and I walk according to following him.

3:18:05 Timothy: And he is greater than you, and Judge Laurie K.

3:18:09 Timothy: Smith, and all of King County Court, and all of the state of Washington.

3:18:15 Timothy: The one who is in you is greater than the one who's in the world.

3:18:19 Timothy: You worship your God.

3:18:21 Timothy: Go ahead.

3:18:21 Timothy: The God of this world, by the way, is the devil in case you didn't know.

3:18:24 Timothy: Go ahead.

3:18:25 Timothy: That's your choice.

3:18:26 Timothy: But you can be sure, you can be a hundred percent, you can bank on it that justice is coming and he will overcome this injustice that you did to his people, to his love, and to his grace.

3:18:39 Timothy: They are from the world.

3:18:41 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

3:18:42 Timothy: Smith and yourself are from the world.

3:18:44 Timothy: That's where you come from.

3:18:45 Timothy: That's where your wisdom comes from.

3:18:47 Timothy: And therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.

3:18:50 Timothy: Oh, he writes the books.

3:18:52 Timothy: Who's in charge?

3:18:54 Timothy: Where's this leadership coming from?

3:18:56 Timothy: What did they do?

3:18:57 Timothy: Were you compensated for this?

3:18:58 Timothy: Did you get this over here?

3:19:00 Timothy: That's all the viewpoint of the world.

3:19:04 Timothy: And the world listens to them.

3:19:06 Timothy: If there's one part of the scripture that's true, Jesus, I mean Jacob, is anybody listening to us?

3:19:13 Timothy: No.

3:19:14 Timothy: No.

3:19:14 Timothy: You've got again a cop, evidence, proof of the criminal activities that he and his co-conspirator did.

3:19:21 Timothy: Is anybody listening?

3:19:23 Timothy: No.

3:19:23 Timothy: They're all just willing to overlook it.

3:19:27 Timothy: All right.

3:19:28 Timothy: Any thoughts?

3:19:29 Timothy: Nope.

3:19:30 Timothy: Then let's repeat the intro and talk about James 3.13 in greater detail.

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3:19:44 SPEAKER_07: Part four.

3:19:46 SPEAKER_07: Lesson to learn.

3:19:48 SPEAKER_07: Selfish ambition is a crime.

3:19:50 SPEAKER_07: James 3, 14 through 16.

3:19:53 SPEAKER_07: But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not boast about it or deny the truth.

3:20:02 SPEAKER_07: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil.

3:20:10 SPEAKER_07: For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder in every evil practice.

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3:20:31 Timothy: I'm going to go over this real quick because I want to move on to a couple other scriptures here.

3:20:35 Timothy: But James 3.14 says, but if you harbor bitter envy, you know, everybody working in King County Partscur's office is envious of the other person above them.

3:20:45 Timothy: That's just the sinful nature.

3:20:47 Timothy: They flatter one another, you know, they boast about one another, they boast about themselves.

3:20:51 Timothy: It says, but if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it, you know, woman of the year, or deny the truth.

3:20:59 Timothy: Because of the selfish ambition in you, Prosecutor Simmons, you deny the truth because the truth just didn't fit your little agenda.

3:21:07 Timothy: So you refuse to examine and look at it.

3:21:11 Timothy: And your wisdom comes.

3:21:12 Timothy: Look, just as I get wisdom from my source, meaning the living God, you get wisdom from your source.

3:21:19 Timothy: No, nobody in mankind, regardless of the lie they believe, just goes to school and gets wisdom.

3:21:25 Timothy: Wisdom comes, we were made to receive wisdom from the living God.

3:21:29 Timothy: And when we fell in the Garden of Eden, Satan took that place.

3:21:32 Timothy: So the whole world is being fed, quote unquote, wisdom, but it's from the devil.

3:21:37 Timothy: Only true disciples of Jesus are being given wisdom from Jesus.

3:21:41 Timothy: But there's no neutral.

3:21:42 Timothy: Nobody's neutral in this.

3:21:45 Timothy: That makes sense, Jacob.

3:21:46 Timothy: I don't want to move too fast here.

3:21:47 Timothy: That makes sense.

3:21:49 Timothy: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven.

3:21:52 Timothy: This is not a religion, Simmons.

3:21:55 Timothy: The wisdom that was in Sound Doctor Church came down from heaven.

3:21:58 Timothy: This isn't your average, everyday local schmuckle church.

3:22:02 Timothy: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual, and of the devil.

3:22:08 Timothy: So that's where it comes from.

3:22:09 Timothy: And that's why you did the things that you did and denied every you even you even you and Judah even said the freedom of religion in the Constitution is null and void in this courtroom.

3:22:23 Timothy: Where do you think that wisdom came from, Jacob?

3:22:26 Jacob: Definitely unspiritual earthly wisdom.

3:22:29 Timothy: Correct.

3:22:30 Timothy: From the devil.

3:22:31 Timothy: For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

3:22:38 Timothy: And then he goes on to describe what wisdom is.

3:22:41 Timothy: But what I want to hone in on is the word impartial.

3:22:47 Timothy: But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure, then peace loving, considerate, submissive.

3:22:52 Timothy: Ah, would you say Simmons?

3:22:54 Timothy: And these people were considerate, submissive, full of mercy, and good fruit.

3:22:59 Timothy: No.

3:22:59 Timothy: And they certainly weren't impartial, were they?

3:23:02 Timothy: Not at all.

3:23:03 Timothy: They only showed kindness or respect to people that they wanted to.

3:23:09 Timothy: In other words, they showed favoritism.

3:23:13 Timothy: Any comments before we move on?

3:23:15 Timothy: No.

3:23:16 Timothy: Alright, in this next section, Prosecutor Simmons, you actually need to take notes here because if you ever bring in another group of true disciples of Jesus to prosecute, there's some rich fodder in here for you to go for.

Acts 6 Delegation And Complaints

3:23:29 Timothy: Because if you ignore everything I just said or don't even understand it, and I'm talking about all the podcasts talking about leadership, this this'll fit the T of persecution by prosecution to a T.

3:23:41 Timothy: Go ahead and play Acts chapter six one through seven, Jacob.

3:23:46 SPEAKER_01: Act six, one through seven.

3:23:49 SPEAKER_01: In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.

3:24:00 SPEAKER_01: So the twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the Word of God in order to wait on tables.

3:24:09 SPEAKER_01: Brothers, choose seven men from among you who were known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom.

3:24:15 SPEAKER_01: We will turn this responsibility over to them, and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the Word.

3:24:22 SPEAKER_01: This proposal pleased the whole group.

3:24:24 SPEAKER_01: They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenius, and Nicholas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

3:24:37 SPEAKER_01: They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

3:24:42 SPEAKER_01: So the word of God spread.

3:24:44 SPEAKER_01: The number of disciples in Jerusalem increased rapidly, and a large number of priests became obedient to the faith.

3:25:05 Timothy: I don't know.

3:25:06 Timothy: Look at Acts chapter six, verse two.

3:25:10 Timothy: Because you gotta understand that that everything about humility and brokenness and being a slave of all is not going to be presented in the courtroom, right?

3:25:18 Timothy: I mean, Simmons just totally did away with that.

3:25:21 Timothy: I mean, to hear Detective McCall and everybody else, everything came back to me, and I wrote the books and how that was related to anything else.

3:25:29 Timothy: I keep repeating that.

3:25:30 Timothy: But look at what it says.

3:25:31 Timothy: Acts chapter 6, verse 2.

3:25:32 Timothy: So the twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, Ooh, they're acting in leadership, Jacob.

3:25:39 Timothy: Correct, yes.

3:25:41 Timothy: Who's in charge here, folks?

3:25:43 Timothy: Which which one of the twelve?

3:25:44 Timothy: You know, Simmons by default is goading an argument.

3:25:49 Timothy: And had they not been spiritual people and he'd have been there, hey, hey, wait a minute.

3:25:53 Timothy: Who's in charge here?

3:25:55 Timothy: You know, what normally that would break out into a fight, right?

3:25:58 Timothy: Yeah.

3:25:59 Timothy: It wouldn't have worked this time around.

3:26:00 Timothy: These guys had they're on the flip side of the resurrected life.

3:26:03 Timothy: Jesus has been crucified and resurrected.

3:26:06 Timothy: All right.

3:26:06 Timothy: So they're acting in leadership, they're actually doing something, they're solving a problem.

3:26:11 Timothy: The problem was, of course, some widows were being overlooked in the distribution of food.

3:26:15 Timothy: You know, they had to give everything to the church.

3:26:19 Timothy: And the church was dependent upon what?

3:26:22 Timothy: Their daily food.

3:26:23 Timothy: They controlled everything.

3:26:26 Timothy: You can just hear it because it's already been going on.

3:26:28 Timothy: You get my point?

3:26:29 Timothy: Yes.

3:26:30 Timothy: All right.

3:26:31 Timothy: Actually, it was a joyful thing.

3:26:32 Timothy: The church was meeting each other's needs.

3:26:34 Timothy: They were in deep fellowship with one another.

3:26:36 Timothy: It's a grand thing.

3:26:37 Timothy: It's more blessed to give than receive.

3:26:39 Timothy: Acts chapter 6, verse 2.

3:26:41 Timothy: So the 12 gathered all the disciples together and said, Now this is properly everybody.

3:26:46 Timothy: Now it's the disciples, those who are kind of in the know, those who have a little bit of maturity behind them, and said, and here's the part where Prosecutor Simmons would just hammer.

3:26:57 Timothy: It wouldn't, they say, the 12 said, it wouldn't be right for us to neglect the ministry of the Word of God in order to wait on tables.

3:27:06 Jacob: Do you see what I'm saying, Jacob?

3:27:08 Jacob: Yes.

3:27:08 Jacob: He uh Simmons would be like, you don't want to work, you don't want to do anything.

3:27:13 Jacob: Uh it's the same thing they accused, you know, Moses, right?

3:27:16 Jacob: Moses is sitting around writing tablets.

3:27:18 Jacob: Where is he at?

3:27:19 Jacob: You know, he's not with us, we don't know what happened to Moses.

3:27:23 Timothy: Exactly.

3:27:24 Timothy: And so Simmons would be coming in going, oh, he preaches and teaches that we're to be a slave of all.

3:27:30 Timothy: But when it comes down to it, who's being served here?

3:27:33 Timothy: They're above everybody else, and they don't want to wait on tables.

3:27:40 Timothy: They don't want to be a servant of all.

3:27:44 Timothy: I was constantly by everybody that come through, not everybody had a bad heart.

3:27:49 Timothy: Some people they just don't understand or see what was going on.

3:27:53 Timothy: I the the amount of criticism, questions went on and on and on.

3:28:02 Timothy: It never stopped because everybody coming into the church, guess what, Jacob, didn't come in as a saint.

3:28:09 Timothy: Correct.

3:28:10 Timothy: All right, so they're baptized, they're young believers.

3:28:13 Timothy: Here's just one minor story that's that's kind of funny.

3:28:16 Timothy: And this is even among children.

3:28:17 Timothy: I don't know.

3:28:18 Timothy: I want to say he was 14.

3:28:19 Timothy: I don't have the so everybody has their opinion about what gadgets I should use, right?

3:28:27 Timothy: Well, you probably didn't know that.

3:28:28 Timothy: But yeah, one of the complaints was I have gadgets for this gadgets forever, or I had this, or why did I do that?

3:28:33 Timothy: Blah, blah, blah.

3:28:34 Timothy: All right.

3:28:34 Timothy: So he comes in and you know, he's got that attitude, and I know where it's coming from.

3:28:38 Timothy: It's coming from home.

3:28:39 Timothy: So it's not like uh I'm not telling you it wasn't naturally within the child, but okay, now I know what's going on in the conversation in the house, right?

3:28:48 Timothy: Everybody, everybody had their opinion about how I should dress, how I should look, what I should buy and not buy.

3:28:54 Timothy: And I tried to be a servant of all in those matters.

3:28:58 Timothy: Um, but but obviously there comes a point when you can't because you become just enslaved to wickedness, which is a different story.

3:29:05 Timothy: Anyway, kid comes in, he's standing in my office, and he's got that attitude, and I go, All right, pick anything in this office, pick anything in this office that I have that you think I shouldn't have, and I'll explain to you why I have it.

3:29:20 Timothy: Smile comes on his face.

3:29:22 Timothy: He looks around, he goes, Hmm, what about that electric stapler?

3:29:27 Timothy: Because I had an electric stapler, one that you plug in, right?

3:29:31 Timothy: And I wasn't trying to up one on him, I'm trying to teach him a lesson.

3:29:34 Timothy: I said, Okay, the reason I have an electric stapler, and I'm gonna be a little more sarcastic, I wasn't this way with him, is not because I'm too lazy to reach over and squeeze the thing and staple them.

3:29:46 Timothy: You have you heard this story before, Jacob?

3:29:48 Timothy: Yeah, I've heard it.

3:29:48 Timothy: Okay, so the reason I had an electric stapler that was plugged in is so that it wasn't taken from the office.

3:29:55 Timothy: If it was plugged in, because every time I wanted a stapler, somebody had come in to borrow it or I gave it them to use.

3:30:03 Timothy: It was a necessary item so that I could just simply keep a stapler on my desk.

3:30:08 Timothy: But to this young man, clearly it was a sign of selfishness, correct?

3:30:12 Jacob: Yeah, laziness.

3:30:13 Jacob: You didn't want to have to physically push it, you didn't want to wait on tables.

3:30:17 Timothy: Or I just wasted money on something electrical that you could do manually.

3:30:21 Timothy: Yeah.

3:30:21 Timothy: All right, Simmons, this is none of this.

3:30:23 Timothy: When they're saying it would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables, it's a fact of leadership and the position and what serves the congregation best.

3:30:34 Timothy: You don't need the twelve who are, and I'm gonna put this in worldly terms, experts in Jesus Christ taken away from the ministry of prayer and the word.

3:30:44 Timothy: And by the way, Simon's we go, oh, you're just gonna spend your time praying all the time and you're in your office, you're not doing anything.

3:30:50 Timothy: You should know by now that's a whole different work.

3:30:53 Timothy: It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables.

3:30:58 Timothy: It's true, I didn't do a lot of things that people thought I would do, but hey, try and preach the sermons, try and study the word of God and do I'm gonna tell you, God would never call me to do that, but that's not if there's a choice in God's will, which is better to wait on tables or to devote oneself to the ministry of the word of God.

3:31:16 Timothy: You tell me, Jacob.

3:31:18 Jacob: Did you devote the to the ministry of the word of God?

3:31:21 Jacob: That would be the higher calling.

3:31:22 Timothy: That's that's the obvious one.

3:31:24 Timothy: Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the spirit and wisdom.

3:31:28 Timothy: By the way, we're talking about waiting on tables, and you want to pick your best men.

3:31:32 Timothy: I don't have man, I wish we had time to go in this as a sermon.

3:31:35 Timothy: You don't want so often they go, we need people to serve chicken at the potluck, or we need men to do usually it's women, but we need men to do this kind of thing.

3:31:44 Timothy: It's supposed to be the most spiritual men.

3:31:46 Timothy: You want your you want your most spiritual men in the slave positions in the church.

3:31:53 Timothy: Very often in a church, the janitor is a third party that's hired, or somebody within the church.

3:32:00 Timothy: The idea person that you want as a janitor would be one of the most spiritual people in the congregation because that's who people talk to.

3:32:07 Timothy: That's who they see.

3:32:08 Timothy: He has feet on the ground, he can hear what's going on.

3:32:11 Timothy: And that's what's happening here.

3:32:12 Timothy: Look at the wisdom and the love that is here.

3:32:15 Timothy: Choose seven men among you who are known to be full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom.

3:32:18 Timothy: We will turn this responsibility over to them, and we will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.

3:32:25 Timothy: Now, blessed is the congregation where Acts 6.5 is true.

3:32:29 Timothy: This proposal pleased the whole group.

3:32:33 Timothy: What a congregation that would have been.

3:32:35 Timothy: This was the early church.

3:32:37 Timothy: A whole church that would have been happy with the decision.

3:32:40 Timothy: Jacob, when's the last time you saw a church meeting, committee, whatever, and everybody was happy with the decision?

3:32:49 Jacob: Oh, you usually don't see it.

3:32:52 Timothy: No.

3:32:53 Jacob: And and and even if they are, it's different than this because they were happy about the decision to, you know, I don't know.

3:32:59 Jacob: Right.

3:32:59 Jacob: Nobody model the kitchen.

3:33:02 Timothy: True.

3:33:02 Timothy: Nobody actually gave up their opinion and let it be crucified, and then they're happy by the wisdom of God.

3:33:07 Timothy: I hear what you're saying.

3:33:09 Timothy: All right, let's go to another one that can be used.

3:33:12 Timothy: And this one, I think we'll we're gonna go a little long today, but this kind of wraps up as far as we can go with leadership.

Authority That Builds Up Not Down

3:33:21 Timothy: Um go ahead and play the next clip and let's give Prosecutor Simmons a little more fodder for his canon.

3:33:30 SPEAKER_01: Second Corinthians ten six through eleven.

3:33:33 SPEAKER_01: And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

3:33:40 SPEAKER_01: You are looking only on the surface of things.

3:33:42 SPEAKER_01: If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as he.

3:33:50 SPEAKER_01: For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.

3:34:00 SPEAKER_01: I do not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters.

3:34:03 SPEAKER_01: For some say his letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he is unimpressive and his speaking amounts to nothing.

3:34:11 SPEAKER_01: Such people should realize that we are in our letters when we are absent.

3:34:15 SPEAKER_01: We will be in our actions when we are present.

3:34:20 Timothy: Don't get the idea that leadership in Jesus Christ, while being a slave to everybody, is not this what am I wanting to say, Jacob?

3:34:29 Timothy: Uh meek and mild little beaten down servant standing in the corner afraid to say anything.

3:34:38 Jacob: Sure, a servant of all, like you're not a yes man.

3:34:41 Timothy: Not a yes man, for sure.

3:34:43 Timothy: Um and there was an authority that came from God, but the foundation, as I've repeated over and over again, was based on humility and brokenness.

3:34:56 Timothy: But there is an authority there that protects the body.

3:35:00 Timothy: And let me give a little warning here, Mr.

3:35:02 Timothy: Simmons.

3:35:03 Timothy: You scattered the whole church and you you destroyed whatever authority I had over in the church, which means you took away the safeguard of protection of that church, not only the protection of the church, but the protection of those individuals who were repenting of sin.

3:35:19 Timothy: There are people that had very shady backgrounds who were struggling mightily with sins, and I was able to, by the authority and the guidance and the grace of God, to have a church structured that kept sin in its place, kept the church in a safe place, and was a beneficial to give people time to change.

3:35:43 Timothy: Am I making myself clear, Jacob, and that once that authority is gone, they're on their own.

3:35:49 Timothy: And I'm no longer in any position or power to protect them or to protect them from other people.

3:35:57 Timothy: Second Corinthians 10 6 would be the fodder for Prosecutor Simmons, and we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

3:36:08 Timothy: There is an authority, don't play games with me.

3:36:11 Timothy: There is a there's a meekness, there's a humility, there's a gentleness.

3:36:14 Timothy: That that's the status of how you want to be in every state and situation.

3:36:19 Timothy: But push, come to shove.

3:36:21 Timothy: If you play the game, if you just become rebellious, if you just get into yourself in a position of sinning or you come in to cause trouble in the body, you better believe I'm gonna deal with it.

3:36:36 Timothy: Isn't that what a good father does with it?

3:36:38 Timothy: Isn't that what a good shepherd does?

3:36:40 Timothy: Yes.

3:36:41 Timothy: Isn't that what love would do?

3:36:44 Timothy: Now, uh Simmons, I gotta clarify, this isn't the favoritism you show to every cop that lies, or let me rephrase that, every cop that puts on the stand who who obviously is paid to lie for the sake of the prosecution.

3:36:56 Timothy: This isn't that kind of protectionism.

3:36:58 Timothy: This is real love that does what is best for everybody else.

3:37:01 Timothy: And there was plenty of people constantly coming into the church, coming in with questions, some I didn't know whether they had good hearts or bad hearts, it didn't really matter, but they were just causing trouble, and it would be dealt with because that's what led to peace.

3:37:15 Timothy: And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience.

3:37:18 Timothy: Now look at the wisdom and the love here.

3:37:21 Timothy: Once your obedience is complete.

3:37:23 Timothy: Jacob, can you tell me what this scripture means?

3:37:27 Timothy: No, not fully.

3:37:29 Timothy: The the point I'm honing in on is once your obedience is complete.

3:37:34 Timothy: What what what does that mean?

3:37:36 Timothy: Like after you've repented.

3:37:40 Timothy: Think of this in terms of a child.

3:37:42 Timothy: Like um a child's five years old, and you've told them certain things that they can't do, right?

3:37:50 Timothy: But you know they're not able to be fully compliant.

3:37:52 Timothy: You're teaching them the rule, but you're giving them time to grow into that rule.

3:37:57 Jacob: Correct.

3:37:58 Timothy: Does that make sense?

3:37:59 Jacob: Yes.

3:38:00 Timothy: So a five-year-old, you're being taught to clean the room, and it's not the best job, but did you expect the best job?

3:38:05 Jacob: No.

3:38:06 Jacob: And and you're gonna know that they're not gonna do the best job for however many more times because you're teaching them, and then when they're of a certain age, then it will be required, and then they'll be punished because they're old enough and they should know.

3:38:19 Jacob: Exactly.

3:38:20 Timothy: So, and there will be some punishment even as they're growing, but it's age and ability specific.

3:38:27 Timothy: Appropriate.

3:38:28 Timothy: Appropriate, good word.

3:38:29 Timothy: I like that.

3:38:31 Timothy: What happened in, and the people that you like to put on the stand at Hated Sound Doctrine Church was there was this patience, this guidance, this pouring out of one's life, giving them time to actually change and grow.

3:38:45 Timothy: And they might begin to do that and get to that point, but then they begin to put down their cross or they didn't want to go all the way with it, and they just persevere in being rebellious.

3:38:56 Timothy: Then the heart, then the punishment, the rebukes, the clarity becomes more and more clear.

3:39:02 Timothy: And that's what some communicated on the witness stand because you gave them the ability to lie and exaggerate.

3:39:09 Timothy: They're not laying out, oh man, I deserve the rebuke, and I deserve to be punished for this because I wouldn't listen to anything that was said for the last 10 years.

3:39:17 Timothy: Make sense, Jacob?

3:39:19 SPEAKER_12: Mm-hmm.

3:39:19 SPEAKER_12: Yeah.

3:39:20 Timothy: We will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

3:39:26 Timothy: So there was a great deal of love and kindness and patience and protection.

3:39:30 Timothy: And everybody was in a different place, and some people would watch other people, and that would change over time.

3:39:35 Timothy: I can't go into all the damage, you wouldn't, uh dynamics, you wouldn't understand it anyway.

3:39:39 Timothy: That's why 2 Corinthians 10 7 says you are looking only on the service of things.

3:39:44 Timothy: Ah duh.

3:39:45 Timothy: That's what came count.

3:39:46 Timothy: That's all Judge Laurie K.

3:39:48 Timothy: Smith was about was the surface of things, correct?

3:39:51 Timothy: Correct.

3:39:52 Timothy: 2 Corinthians 10 8.

3:39:53 Timothy: I'm not apologizing.

3:39:54 Timothy: There was an authority, and that authority did protect the church, and that authority did allow the church to grow.

3:40:00 Timothy: In fact, the people that we paid to come in that were outside sources to examine the church for which you have the report.

3:40:07 Timothy: The huge notebook stayed in there that the quality of Sound Doctrine Church was a testimony to the leadership that was going on.

3:40:15 Timothy: But you didn't look, you didn't care, you didn't want it, and the reasons are spiritually discerned.

3:40:22 Timothy: You are only looking on the surface of things.

3:40:24 Timothy: If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as he.

3:40:31 Timothy: We're not going to play this logical game, I'm in Jesus Christ, or I'm a Pharisee, or I went to Bible college, or I didn't go to Bible college, whatever.

3:40:37 Timothy: Look, this is just a matter of being in Jesus Christ, loving other people, protecting the church, having an environment that is conducive to pursuing holiness, righteousness, love, and self-discipline and the peace that comes from Jesus Christ.

3:40:51 Timothy: What more could you possibly want unless you love the darkness?

3:40:59 Timothy: For even if I boast somewhat freely, verse 8.

3:41:04 Timothy: Somewhat freely.

3:41:06 Timothy: Jacob, did I ever boast about the authority I had in Jesus?

3:41:10 SPEAKER_12: No.

3:41:10 Timothy: Never.

3:41:11 Timothy: I mean, Paul did, and by all means he had a right to do so.

3:41:15 Timothy: But I never, ever boasted at one time about that I have an authority in Jesus Christ.

3:41:21 Timothy: I should have, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

3:41:25 Timothy: In fact, Paul goes on to say, I will not be ashamed of that boasting.

3:41:29 Timothy: For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.

3:41:37 Timothy: By the way, this is all about building up, making people stronger.

3:41:41 Timothy: And that only applies to people, obviously, who really want to follow Jesus Christ.

3:41:45 Timothy: Everything about King County prosecutors' leadership, everything about a courtroom, is it for pulling people down or building them up?

3:41:52 Timothy: Pulling them down.

3:41:54 Timothy: Pulling them down, rejoicing that you're pulling them down, never lifting a finger to help, not doing anything, right?

3:42:01 Jacob: Correct.

3:42:03 Timothy: The humility is there.

3:42:04 Timothy: Paul goes on to say, I did not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters.

3:42:10 Timothy: Sermons were stronger than my behavior in the congregation, weren't they, Jacob?

3:42:16 Timothy: Yes.

3:42:16 Timothy: My writings in the books, my writings in the track, my writings online.

3:42:21 Timothy: Are they not stronger than my actual demeanor as I walk around on daily life?

3:42:26 Timothy: Yes.

3:42:27 Timothy: Absolutely.

3:42:28 Timothy: There's a huge contrast.

3:42:30 Timothy: The letters are meant to be clarity.

3:42:32 Timothy: So you can get a hold of it yourself.

3:42:34 Timothy: That's what the sermons were about.

3:42:36 Timothy: That's what all they're strong, they're clear, they're powerful, they're unbending.

3:42:41 Timothy: They're everything that has to do with the truth.

3:42:43 Timothy: But I don't walk around.

3:42:45 Timothy: We all know pastors who walk around with like Helen Brimstone, I'm in charge, all of that.

3:42:49 Timothy: That's all kind of there.

3:42:51 Timothy: There was just none of that in normal, everyday life.

3:42:54 Timothy: Was there, Jacob?

3:42:55 Timothy: Correct.

3:42:57 Timothy: Paul says, I will not be ashamed of it.

3:42:59 Timothy: I'm not ashamed of it, but I am a little embarrassed about it.

3:43:03 Timothy: Alright, his letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he's nothing.

3:43:07 Timothy: That's the contrast.

3:43:08 Timothy: I'm just a man.

3:43:11 Timothy: Just a man seeking to love Jesus Christ.

3:43:17 Timothy: Alright, let's go with one last one.

3:43:20 Timothy: Sounds like the old days, Jacob, when I was preaching and go, ah, one last scripture.

3:43:24 Timothy: Go ahead and play 1 Corinthians 4.

3:43:27 SPEAKER_03: I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children.

Gentle Spirit Or The Whip

3:43:33 SPEAKER_03: Even though you have 10,000 guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers.

3:43:38 SPEAKER_03: For in Christ Jesus, I became your father through the gospel.

3:43:43 SPEAKER_03: Therefore, I urge you to imitate me.

3:43:47 SPEAKER_03: For this reason, I am sending you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord.

3:43:54 SPEAKER_03: He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

3:44:02 SPEAKER_03: Some of you have become arrogant as if I were not coming for you.

3:44:07 SPEAKER_03: But I will come for you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have.

3:44:18 SPEAKER_03: For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power.

3:44:23 SPEAKER_03: What do you prefer?

3:44:25 SPEAKER_03: Shall I come to you with a whip or in love and with a gentle spirit?

3:44:32 Timothy: There you go, Mr.

3:44:33 Timothy: Simmons.

3:44:34 Timothy: First Corinthians four twenty-one.

3:44:37 Timothy: You can make a case for assault.

3:44:40 Timothy: What do you prefer?

3:44:41 Timothy: Shall I come to you with a whip or in love and with a gentle spirit?

3:44:46 Timothy: He liked to use the whip.

3:44:48 Timothy: He was on a power trip.

3:44:50 Timothy: The church didn't do anything, right?

3:44:53 Timothy: That one day after another, there was this boredom and this drudgery.

3:44:57 Timothy: They didn't even do birthdays.

3:44:59 Timothy: There was no definition of hours and days and sunshine.

3:45:03 Timothy: It was this depressing, it was this whip situation, right, Jacob?

3:45:07 Timothy: Mm-hmm.

3:45:08 Timothy: Yep.

3:45:10 Timothy: There's no record of Paul actually literally using a whip.

3:45:14 Timothy: Correct.

3:45:14 Timothy: It's called dialogue.

3:45:16 Timothy: It's truthful dialogue, Paul saying, look, I'll find out what power these arrogant people hold.

3:45:20 Timothy: This is not a game.

3:45:22 Timothy: These aren't word games.

3:45:24 Timothy: This isn't like a gentleness, like, well, I'm a coward when I'm in front of you if need to be.

3:45:28 Timothy: Look, if you want to go there, I'll go there.

3:45:31 Timothy: There's no need to go there.

3:45:33 Timothy: He says, I'm writing you not to shame you.

3:45:36 Timothy: This is not to put you in a corner.

3:45:37 Timothy: That's what he said in verse 14.

3:45:39 Timothy: But to warn you, like, don't push things to the point that I have to come in with some power and a whip.

3:45:47 Timothy: What is so difficult about that?

3:45:49 Timothy: Jacob, as as people discipline their children, like I told you once, you know, I told you twice.

3:45:56 Timothy: Correct, don't do it a third time, or you're going to have to stand in the corner or have your little quiet time out or whatever it is, right?

3:46:04 Jacob: Correct.

3:46:04 Timothy: So is the whole goal of saying that to a child so that you can go punish them?

3:46:09 Jacob: No.

3:46:10 Timothy: No, the whole goal is to say, I'm the father or I'm the mother and I'm in charge.

3:46:16 Timothy: You need to listen to what I'm telling you because it's coming from love.

3:46:20 Timothy: And if you will not respond to that love, then you will be punished.

3:46:26 Timothy: Sorry, Simmons, but this is the family of God.

3:46:29 Timothy: This is how the love of Jesus Christ.

3:46:31 Timothy: Love does no harm to its neighbor.

3:46:33 Timothy: Love always protects.

3:46:35 Timothy: What kind of loving pastor would I be if I watch people go into sin and just did said nothing?

3:46:43 Timothy: Be a bad pastor.

3:46:45 Timothy: I'd be commended by the state of Washington because as long as you're nothing and you're kind of lukewarm and you just got, eh, God loves us and everything's fine, it's all dandy, and everybody lived their own little life, right?

3:46:55 Timothy: They don't mind that.

3:46:56 Timothy: Correct.

3:46:57 Timothy: But do anything of substance and they're after you.

3:47:00 Timothy: He goes, I warn you, as my dear children, this is the love, and this is what you trampled on.

3:47:06 Timothy: Even though you have 10,000 guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers.

3:47:11 Timothy: It is true, some people call me father, not like Catholic father.

3:47:16 Timothy: It's an endearing of love and a relationship.

3:47:19 Timothy: And by the way, I never ever asked anybody to do that, did I, Jacob?

3:47:25 Timothy: No.

3:47:26 Timothy: Never asked anybody to call me father.

3:47:30 Timothy: And I wasn't a father to everybody.

3:47:32 Timothy: Some people were already in Jesus Christ.

3:47:34 Timothy: They had other fathers that brought them to Jesus Christ.

3:47:36 Timothy: There are some people, though, that the first encounters of the gospel and being baptized for the forgiveness of sins and becoming to Jesus Christ, I was the one God placed in their life.

3:47:46 Timothy: And in that sense, that spiritual sense, I became their father.

3:47:50 Timothy: I wasn't trying to replace their physical father.

3:47:53 Timothy: Although we all become the family of God and that's who we belong to, and other families sense all that.

3:47:59 Timothy: Look, I can't do anything about the truth of the gospel.

3:48:01 Timothy: You're either going to belong to your family, which is going to hell, or to the family that's going to heaven.

3:48:06 Timothy: Yes, you talk to them.

3:48:07 Timothy: Yes, you're in a relationship with them, as much as they will allow that to happen.

3:48:14 Timothy: For in Jesus Christ I became your father through the gospel.

3:48:18 Timothy: First Corinthians 4 16 would be another one.

3:48:21 Timothy: Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

3:48:25 Timothy: Oh, you know, that must go them like crazy.

3:48:28 Timothy: They think this is just some big ego trip.

3:48:31 Timothy: Jacob, do you do you think it's an ego trip to, and I don't remember ever really preaching and saying standing up at the pulpit and go, hey, I want everybody to imitate me.

3:48:41 Timothy: Whatever you've seen in me, do that, be in practice.

3:48:44 Timothy: What what do you what do you you'd have to be massively arrogant to say that without humility, right?

3:48:52 Timothy: Correct.

3:48:53 Timothy: Again, I didn't even go around saying it, but it was like that you should be able to look at any pastor, any servant that's in authority in the church, and go, I shouldn't imitate them.

3:49:08 Timothy: If I if I want the blessings, I want what they are and who they are, and they're a relationship with Jesus Christ, I should imitate them.

3:49:17 Timothy: Don't have time to look at it today, but you do that without following a man.

3:49:22 Timothy: Because why Jacob, if you imitate me, what is my central life who I am pointing them to do?

3:49:33 Timothy: If you imitate me, then what's your only goal in life?

3:49:36 Timothy: To follow Jesus.

3:49:37 Timothy: That's right, to seek the living God.

3:49:39 Timothy: So it's not following me, or or follow me, which I'm pointing only to Jesus Christ, only to him.

3:49:47 Timothy: Anything you want to say, Jacob?

3:49:49 Timothy: No.

3:49:52 Timothy: Take us out of here.

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