Vigilante Or Self-Defense?

Laughing At Law Enforcement

0:00 SPEAKER_00: Laugh out loud, law enforcement.

Claims Of Evidence Mishandling

0:03 SPEAKER_00: Listen in on the Consider podcast as we discuss the conluding between sheriff, judge, and prosecutors in the questionable, if not deliberate, mishandling of evidence so that the case could be thrown out, especially when compared to the fact prosecutors in Washington State mishandled evidence in order to proceed with a prosecutoral setup.

0:26 SPEAKER_00: Fact is, that hate crime tried to incite someone to commit such a killing.

0:32 SPEAKER_00: Remember this at jury duty, that the courts are now thruly lawless in the name of the law.

0:38 SPEAKER_00: Prosecutors are easily proven to lie, and police are trained, yes, trained to lie.

0:44 SPEAKER_00: Aaron Spencer should be serving time in prison for multiple good reasons.

0:49 SPEAKER_00: Listen in as we discuss justice and justice alone.

Scripture, Murder, And Vengeance

0:54 SPEAKER_00: Numbers chapter thirty five, verses nineteen through twenty-one.

0:58 SPEAKER_00: The avenger of blood shall himself put the murderer to death.

1:03 SPEAKER_00: When he meets him, he shall put him to death.

1:06 SPEAKER_00: And if he pushed him out of hatred or hurled something at him, lying in wait so that he died, or in enmity struck him down with his hand, so that he died, then he who struck the blow shall be put to death.

1:19 SPEAKER_00: He is a murderer.

1:21 SPEAKER_00: The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when he meets him.

1:26 SPEAKER_00: Aaron Spencer may, through tricks of the law, escape punishment, but a holy God will label it murder unless he repents.

1:35 SPEAKER_00: Romans chapter twelve, verses nineteen.

1:38 SPEAKER_00: Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, It is mine to avenge, I will repay, says the Lord, the incident and Spencer's actions.

The Aaron Spencer Shooting Timeline

1:52 SPEAKER_00: In October 2024, Aaron Spencer shot and killed Michael Fosler.

1:59 SPEAKER_00: Reports indicate that Fosler had allegedly kidnapped and raped Spencer's 13-year-old daughter.

2:05 SPEAKER_00: Rather than calling law enforcement during the crisis, Spencer chose to actively pursue Fosler's vehicle.

2:13 SPEAKER_00: He forced the vehicle off the road, exited his own truck while armed, ordered Fosler out at gunpoint, and commanded him to lie down in a ditch.

2:23 SPEAKER_00: At this point, Spencer had gained complete physical control of the situation.

2:28 SPEAKER_00: Fosler was no longer behind the wheel, no longer mobile, and was on the ground under Spencer's armed direction.

2:35 SPEAKER_00: The threat, if it ever existed in the form claimed, had been neutralized.

2:41 SPEAKER_00: Even after securing his daughter and moving her to safety, Spencer emptied his weapon into Fosler, pistol whipped him while he was already down and subdued, and reportedly reloaded his firearm.

2:55 SPEAKER_00: These actions go far beyond any reasonable response to an imminent threat.

Why Self-Defense Does Not Apply

3:00 SPEAKER_00: Why this was not self-defense or defense of others?

3:04 SPEAKER_00: Under Arkansas law, both self-defense and defense of others require a reasonable belief, both subjective and objective, that deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious physical injury.

3:19 SPEAKER_00: The response must also be proportionate to the threat.

3:23 SPEAKER_00: Once Spencer had forced the vehicle off the road and ordered Fossler to the ground at gunpoint, any imminent threat had been neutralized.

3:32 SPEAKER_00: Fossil was no longer a mobile or active danger.

3:36 SPEAKER_00: Continued shooting, pistol whipping a man already on the ground, and reloading after the child was safe are not the actions of someone reasonably responding to an ongoing deadly threat.

3:48 SPEAKER_00: They are the actions of someone who had decided to administer final punishment after gaining total dominance.

3:57 SPEAKER_00: Spencer had time and opportunity during the extended vehicle pursuit to contact law enforcement rather than taking matters into his own hands.

4:08 SPEAKER_00: Defense of Others does not grant a license to pursue, dominate, execute, and then reload once control has been gained and the immediate danger has passed.

4:18 SPEAKER_00: The sequence of events, active pursuit, forced stop on Spencer's terms, gaining complete control, volume of gunfire, pistol whipping a subdued man, and reloading after the child was safe, is not classic self-defense.

4:35 SPEAKER_00: It is far closer to vigilante execution after the threat had already been stopped.

4:41 SPEAKER_00: Arkansas law does not authorize citizens to become judge, jury, and executioner once they have neutralized the situation and gained physical control.

4:53 SPEAKER_00: Once a person has gained physical control over another, for example, by forcing their vehicle off the road and ordering them to the ground at gunpoint, courts and prosecutors routinely find that any continuing deadly threat is no longer imminent.

5:12 SPEAKER_00: Continued use of force after that point becomes impossible to justify as self-defense or defense of others.

Judge Selection And System Critique

5:20 SPEAKER_00: Note well that Judge Ralph Wilson Jr.

5:23 SPEAKER_00: is a special circuit judge, meaning he is retired and not running for election.

5:28 SPEAKER_00: Thus, the misaligned legal system uses such special judges to whitewash the lawless legal system.

5:36 SPEAKER_00: The Consider podcast www.consider.info, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.