Leadership Pt. 3 Prosecutor Simmons Bible Study Time

Leadership Without Eloquence

0:04 Speaker 1: What's up, prosecutor Jason Simmons?

0:08 Speaker 1: Bible study time part 3.

0:11 Speaker 1: Topic Leadership without persuasive words, leadership without eloquence, leadership without superior wisdom, leadership that is the opposite of King County Courts of Washington State.

0:28 Speaker 1: The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

0:43 Speaker 3: How's it going today, jacob?

0:45 Speaker 3: Going good.

0:46 Speaker 3: Let good see if I can't get untongue tied here.

0:49 Speaker 3: Um, you know we're talking about leadership and I got to thinking about my meal that I had with chef ramsey.

0:56 Speaker 3: You remember that we went out, I had that.

0:59 Speaker 3: You don't remember me having a meal with chef ramsey?

1:01 Speaker 3: No, well, yeah, we had an italian and I wore.

1:05 Speaker 3: You know I have those whatever, those super secret Google glasses that you can hook a camera to and stuff, kind of an undercover kind of thing.

1:13 Speaker 2: No, I don't remember this.

1:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd been dialoguing back and forth and you know just general chit chat and stuff, and I suggested why don't we go have an Italian meal, kind of thing?

1:21 Speaker 3: And we went to an Italian restaurant, I have an Italian meal, kind of thing.

1:23 Speaker 3: I went to an Italian restaurant and sat down.

1:24 Speaker 3: Now what you're going to see is I'm recording his response and what he's looking at.

1:28 Speaker 3: I thought people might enjoy that and it'll kind of give a real contrast here.

1:34 Speaker 4: So go ahead and play that encounter.

1:38 Speaker 4: I hope his extra commitment in the kitchen is reflected in the standard of his food.

1:43 Speaker 4: You can close your eyes and actually count the flavours, the seps, the walnuts, the pasta.

1:50 Speaker 4: Very good.

1:51 Speaker 4: I'm pleased to see he's stuck to a small, very simple Italian menu and everything's freshly cooked.

1:58 Speaker 4: This is the kind of food you should be seven Real, hearty, rustic, wholesome Italian food, Rich with tomatoes, nice texture in the meatball and a perfectly cooked linguine.

2:16 Speaker 4: Lovely F*** me.

2:19 Speaker 4: Here's Letchworth, ready for Alex Scott.

2:45 Speaker 3: You don't remember that, jacob?

2:45 Speaker 3: No, I don't remember this.

2:46 Speaker 3: Is Lexworth ready for Alex Scott breadsticks and that kind of thing?

2:48 Speaker 3: So we, we sat down together and and had that meal and recorded it.

2:49 Speaker 3: Wow, my question for you.

2:50 Speaker 3: Well, let me first go on to say yeah, it kind of went south later because I shared the scripture, philippians 319, that says their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, their glory is their shame and their mind is unearthly thing.

3:01 Speaker 3: So it kind of went downhill from there.

3:03 Speaker 3: Um, that's why why the meal was cut short.

3:06 Speaker 3: All right, so here's the bottom line question.

3:08 Speaker 3: Here's my point.

3:09 Speaker 3: And just to be on the record, no, I don't know Chef Ramsay and no, we didn't sit down for an Italian meal and no, I didn't get to share the scripture with him.

3:17 Speaker 3: My question for you is this Jacob, when Chef Ramsay sits down at a table to eat a meal and when I sit down and eat the same meal, is it the same thing?

3:29 Speaker 3: No, why is it not the same?

3:33 Speaker 2: thing?

3:33 Speaker 2: Um, because food for the stomach and stomach for the food, and ramsey is like super into it.

3:40 Speaker 2: He wants to close his eyes and count the flavors exactly, and he, he also.

3:46 Speaker 3: And let's go past, you know, the negative sim part and whether that's all there, because I'm sure it was a good meal.

3:50 Speaker 3: Don't don't get me wrong.

3:51 Speaker 3: I'm sure it tasted good, but look how he's trained his palate and what he can taste and what he expects and the service, and he goes down to detail.

4:01 Speaker 3: He's not just sitting down to a meal like you and I might be okay, this is a good lunch and let's move on and do something else.

4:07 Speaker 3: Or what's for dessert?

4:08 Speaker 3: I you know, I don't know if you go there.

4:10 Speaker 3: So there's a difference.

4:11 Speaker 3: If you judge by mere appearance like you walk into the restaurant and you didn't really know who chef Ramsey was, and he's sitting there and I'm sitting there with my little glasses on there and we both order spaghetti would you be able to tell there was a difference?

4:26 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because again he's like super into it.

4:29 Speaker 3: No, but no, you're just looking at it at another table.

4:32 Speaker 2: Oh, you mean the food itself is the same.

4:34 Speaker 3: Food is the same, but when you look at Same plate comes out.

4:36 Speaker 3: When you look at Chef Ram's eating and you look at me eating, would you be able to tell any difference without his commentary?

4:41 Speaker 3: Oh, without, no, not without his commentary, no, it would just be two dudes eating spaghetti and meatballs, right?

4:51 Speaker 3: So, from the service of things, it's the same behavior, correct.

4:52 Speaker 3: But what's going on inside and how that's translated?

4:54 Speaker 3: And he's a multimillionaire and I'm by no means even close to multimillionaire.

4:58 Speaker 3: So there's a, there's a difference in the life and what goes on?

5:01 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, mr Simmons, that's the difference between your leadership and my leadership.

5:07 Speaker 3: We're sitting down at the same table To those on the service of things.

5:15 Speaker 3: You're in leadership, or King County prosecutors in leadership, and I have a leadership function, but there is no relationship or common ground between the two.

5:21 Speaker 3: They are completely different things.

5:24 Speaker 3: To put it more in perspective um, prosecutor simmons is more chef by rd and mine's more uh, yeah, correct, yeah, that would.

5:32 Speaker 3: It would be flipped in that yeah what happens is people just judge things by mere appearance.

5:37 Speaker 3: And jesus, of course we won't look at the scripture today.

5:39 Speaker 3: He says stop judging by mere appearance.

5:40 Speaker 3: Two people can be doing the same thing, but it's a totally different spiritual concept, a totally different attitude of the heart.

5:48 Speaker 3: One's coming.

5:49 Speaker 3: You know, he didn't pray.

5:49 Speaker 3: Chef Ramsey didn't pray before he ate the meal and thank God for the fine meal, did he?

5:53 Speaker 3: No, I would have prayed and thanked God for the fine meal and been thankful the whole day that God provided that food.

5:59 Speaker 3: So there's a difference, even in spiritual quality.

6:02 Speaker 3: That was going on.

6:03 Speaker 3: That's the whole point we're looking at.

6:05 Speaker 3: Concerning leadership, and when Chef Boyardee measures my leadership by a fine Italian meal, he's going to commit evil and sin.

6:18 Speaker 4: Go ahead and play the intro and let's get started.

6:19 Speaker 4: Jacob, welcome to the Consider podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly and madness.

6:25 Speaker 4: More information can be found at wwwconsiderinfo.

Chef Ramsey's Meal Analogy

6:30 Speaker 4: Now here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

6:38 Speaker 3: Let's kind of jump right into it.

6:40 Speaker 3: Let's go to John, chapter 21, verses 15 through 19.

6:44 Speaker 3: Into it, let's go to John, chapter 21, verses 15 through 19.

6:48 Speaker 3: Jacob, go ahead and play the audio file of this so people can get a brush stroke of what we're going to discuss and kind of look at in a little more detail.

6:53 Speaker 3: You know, we're going to go in with the palette here and look and oh, this is defined well over here and this is good.

6:57 Speaker 3: We're going to savor the Word of God.

7:01 Speaker 6: When they had finished eating, jesus said to Simon Peter when they had finished eating, jesus said to Simon Peter Simon, son of John, do you truly love me more than these?

7:10 Speaker 6: Yes, lord.

7:11 Speaker 6: He said you know that I love you.

7:14 Speaker 6: Jesus said Feed my lambs.

7:17 Speaker 6: Again, jesus said Simon, son of John, do you truly love me?

7:23 Speaker 6: He answered yes, lord, you know that I love you.

7:27 Speaker 6: Jesus said Take care of my sheep.

7:31 Speaker 6: The third time he said to him Simon, son of John, do you love me?

7:37 Speaker 6: Peter was hurt because Jesus had asked him a third time Do you love me?

7:42 Speaker 6: He said Lord, you know all things.

7:48 Speaker 6: You know that I love you.

7:48 Speaker 6: Jesus said Feed my sheep.

7:51 Speaker 6: I tell you the truth when you were younger, you dressed yourself and went where you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

8:05 Speaker 6: Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.

8:12 Speaker 6: Then he said to him follow me, john, chapter 21.

8:18 Speaker 3: There's a lot there.

8:20 Speaker 3: Any quick thoughts on that?

8:22 Speaker 3: Jacob?

8:22 Speaker 3: No, prosecutor Simmons.

8:27 Speaker 3: There any quick thoughts on that?

8:28 Speaker 3: Jacob?

8:28 Speaker 3: No, prosecutor simmons.

8:29 Speaker 3: What god is looking for are leaders that love the flock.

8:33 Speaker 3: But if you know even a basic part of the story of peter, what did he wind up doing to jesus before he was put into position of leadership, jacob?

8:42 Speaker 3: He denied him, denied him three, denied him three times, betrayed him.

8:46 Speaker 3: Now, if Simmons would have been prosecuting during that time, he would have said did you ever leave Jesus Christ?

8:53 Speaker 3: Did you ever leave Sound Doctrine Church?

8:55 Speaker 3: In fact, you did that question and we don't have time to look at it today.

9:00 Speaker 3: But scripture says that your name will be erased from the book of life for that kind of attack.

9:06 Speaker 3: What you fail to realize is that god goes through and begins to break those whom he is calling to leadership.

9:13 Speaker 3: Peter will have an authority.

9:15 Speaker 3: It's not the catholic authority where the you know, the catholic church is supposedly based upon peter.

9:21 Speaker 3: This is an authority that comes from Jesus Christ.

9:23 Speaker 3: But before a man ever gets in that position or is put forth in that position, god is going to crush him and to break him and to humble him.

9:33 Speaker 3: Once again.

9:35 Speaker 3: I'm repeating over and over again.

9:37 Speaker 3: If you see any authority, any boldness, any courage, it is the boldness of Jesus Christ, it is the courage of jesus christ, but it comes from a foundation of humility and brokenness.

9:51 Speaker 3: When they had finished eating, jesus said to simon peter, you know, usually you're eating, you're full, you're all comfortable, right, jesus comes in when we're that comfortable, we're all settled back and I'm sure peter's sitting there going.

10:01 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sitting here, I'm just going to lay quiet because I'm, you know, I don't know where my standing is.

10:07 Speaker 3: So Jesus goes directly to him.

10:09 Speaker 3: There's no, there's no gameplay, just just like this Bible study.

10:12 Speaker 3: There's no gameplay.

10:13 Speaker 3: I'm not.

10:13 Speaker 3: There's no wordies, you know, around the corner or soft, there's no flattery going on.

10:19 Speaker 3: He goes Simon, son of John, do you truly love me more than these?

10:23 Speaker 3: Now, what's he mean by these?

10:25 Speaker 3: He just got through eating a meal.

10:28 Speaker 3: Do you love me more than the things of this world, more than the food?

10:31 Speaker 3: He's striking at what caused Peter to deny Jesus?

10:37 Speaker 3: Peter was listening too much to his belly, to his flesh, his comfort, remember.

10:40 Speaker 3: He's before the fire, getting himself warm.

10:43 Speaker 3: So Jesus is saying do you love me more than the comforts of this world, the leadership that God had worked at Sound Doctrine Church and that I was doing was way past my comfort and my ease.

10:56 Speaker 3: I'm sure that slander is out there, but was there anything about my life that showed I was comfortable, jacob?

11:02 Speaker 3: No, it was a constant state of being uncomfortable.

11:11 Speaker 3: Being crucified with jesus is uncomfortable.

11:12 Speaker 3: Now peter does say yes, lord.

11:13 Speaker 3: He said you know that I love you.

11:13 Speaker 3: So what's jesus's command?

11:14 Speaker 3: Feed my lambs.

11:15 Speaker 3: We go from earthly food, earthly comfort, we go from chef ramsey down to give it away and feed my lambs.

11:26 Speaker 3: Again, jesus said he doesn't say to Peter good, I'm glad you say you love me.

11:30 Speaker 3: He just doesn't pause there.

11:31 Speaker 3: Jesus will keep going until self is wounded, till self is being crucified, till pride is being humbled.

11:39 Speaker 3: And that's why a lot of people leave the gospel or don't even show up at church or they belong for a short period of time, because Jesus doesn't just ask the question one more time.

11:48 Speaker 3: He will keep coming to us over and over again until we give up the pride, until we give up the sin, and if we don't, we'll either leave or he'll quit asking, and then you just go your merry way or, like Judas, you go out to betray.

12:01 Speaker 3: Again, jesus said Simon, son of John.

12:04 Speaker 3: Do you truly love me, man?

12:07 Speaker 3: Those are cutting words.

12:08 Speaker 3: First of all, you have to commend Peter.

12:10 Speaker 3: Does he leave the room and stomp off?

12:12 Speaker 3: No, how dare you ask me?

12:15 Speaker 3: Of course I love you.

12:16 Speaker 3: You're just being judgmental.

12:17 Speaker 3: Or what's the Greek word, jacob?

12:19 Speaker 3: I don't know.

12:20 Speaker 2: For judgmental Judgy.

12:21 Speaker 2: Oh, judgy yeah.

12:23 Speaker 3: You're being judgy, yeah, so he doesn't storm out, leave the room, he doesn't leave the church and then start slandering and say Jesus is just so judgy and he thinks he's boss and he thinks he's king and all the other disciples were laughing at me and all of these things.

12:35 Speaker 3: He doesn't go, is the great shepherd, the overseer of our soul, and he's willing to take it and take it in Again.

12:54 Speaker 3: Jesus said Simon, son of John, do you truly love me?

12:59 Speaker 3: He answered yes, lord, you know that I love you.

13:02 Speaker 3: You can imagine the frustration because by this time he knows who Jesus is right, he knows he's resurrected, he knows, he knows all things, but he's got a good heart about what he's saying.

13:16 Speaker 3: He's not being defensive and again, an evil person would see as being defensive but Peter's going.

13:22 Speaker 3: You know my heart, and it's true that Jesus knows his heart, doesn't he?

13:27 Speaker 3: Yes, but we have to go through the discipline, you have to go through the humbling process.

13:33 Speaker 3: How many times have I been told by people well, I love God, or I know that he loves me and God's bringing something new to them, or trying to crucify them more, to bless them and turn them from their wicked ways, and they'll go.

13:45 Speaker 3: God knows I love him and they're using it as a defense to keep jesus away.

13:49 Speaker 3: The third time he said to him simon, son of john, do you love me?

13:56 Speaker 3: Now we finally get down to the pain of the cross.

13:59 Speaker 3: What does it say?

14:00 Speaker 3: Or peter cc, what does it say, jacob?

14:03 Speaker 3: Peter was hurt.

14:04 Speaker 3: He was hurt.

14:05 Speaker 3: It finally cut.

14:07 Speaker 3: He had denied jesus three times.

14:09 Speaker 3: And so three times jesus is asking the question.

14:12 Speaker 3: Peter was hurt because jesus asked him the third time do you love me?

14:18 Speaker 3: He said, lord, you know all things, you know that I love you.

14:23 Speaker 3: And jesus repeats it again feed my sheep.

14:26 Speaker 3: Prosecutor simmons, judge laurie k smith, all of their five, in fact, jacob, you may want at this point to play the video of all those that are responsible, not now but later on, just kind of tuck it in there.

14:40 Speaker 3: You notice that he says feed my lambs, feed my sheep, take care of my sheep.

14:44 Speaker 3: And what position would Peter be doing that?

14:47 Speaker 3: Jacob, what kind of spirit would Peter have?

14:52 Speaker 3: He just got humbled.

14:55 Speaker 3: So it's coming from humility, a brokenness that we cannot relate to only in the sense of the Holy Spirit coming to us.

15:02 Speaker 3: We haven't had Jesus come to us in the flesh, so to speak and take us all the sense of the holy spirit coming to us.

15:04 Speaker 3: We haven't had jesus come to us in the flesh, so to speak, and take us all the way to the cross.

15:07 Speaker 3: But it all has to do with the foundation of humility, of feeding, taking care of the sheep and making sure that they're blessed in jesus christ.

15:17 Speaker 3: And, to be sure, peter did miracles.

15:20 Speaker 3: From here on out, he did all kinds of things.

15:23 Speaker 3: He even healed people.

15:24 Speaker 3: Healed people, he preached powerfully drove out demons.

15:28 Speaker 2: Drove out demons, just throwing things out, oh yeah no, he was a.

15:31 Speaker 3: He preached the first sermon where you know how many were baptized?

15:34 Speaker 3: I think three thousand one day, yeah went on to be a powerful preacher.

15:39 Speaker 3: So there was authority there, but it came from the holy spirit.

15:41 Speaker 3: It came because peter had been emptied of self.

15:45 Speaker 3: And to emphasize this even some more, you know, jesus just doesn't stop right there.

15:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta love jesus, you have to worship him.

15:53 Speaker 3: Just when you think you've been humbled and you think you've been restored, he goes on.

15:58 Speaker 3: You know, don't get out of the prayer closet too fast.

16:01 Speaker 3: You know scripture says when you sit before the lord or come before the lord, don't be in a hurry to leave.

16:05 Speaker 3: He may have a few other things to say.

16:07 Speaker 3: We all want to hear jesus say yeah, I love you, you're restored, you're my child, you belong to me.

16:13 Speaker 3: We're sitting there and then we go okay, good, good, you know, we know we've sinned, we've confessed it.

Peter's Restoration and True Leadership

16:18 Speaker 3: Maybe we've kind of played at it, but we confessed it.

16:21 Speaker 3: We feel like, oh, the lord's forgiven me.

16:22 Speaker 3: So you're kind of sitting there and it's.

16:25 Speaker 3: You think the quiet time's over with and the communication the lord has come to an end, you're ready to leave, and then jesus goes.

16:33 Speaker 3: If we're listening, jesus comes in, so to speak, with the punch line.

16:37 Speaker 3: I tell you the truth.

16:38 Speaker 3: You know, anytime jesus starts a sentence that way, you better stop what you're doing and pay attention.

16:44 Speaker 3: I tell you the truth.

16:46 Speaker 3: How many times does he have to tell us?

16:50 Speaker 3: That is an amazing thing.

16:50 Speaker 3: But if all of a sudden I'm, you know, vacuuming the carpet or doing whatever, and all of a sudden I hear the Holy spirit say you know, I'll tell you the truth.

16:56 Speaker 3: Whoa, everything shuts down.

16:59 Speaker 3: This is going to be.

16:59 Speaker 3: Don't argue, don't come back.

17:01 Speaker 3: Soak this in, take it in Now.

17:03 Speaker 3: We don't have time to explore today.

17:05 Speaker 3: Peter doesn't quite do that, but we don't have time to get to that today.

17:08 Speaker 3: I tell you the truth, when you were younger, you dressed yourself and went where you wanted.

17:13 Speaker 3: That's the most Christian life.

17:14 Speaker 3: That's what King County prosecutors do they dress themselves.

17:17 Speaker 3: One of them wears tennis shoes in court.

17:18 Speaker 3: I mean, you want to do, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

17:31 Speaker 3: Talk about the humility number one.

17:32 Speaker 3: The holy spirit always leads us where we don't want to go.

17:36 Speaker 3: So when people, mr simmons, come to the church and stay for a while or I've preached to a lot of people.

17:42 Speaker 3: They never came to church, but they understood what the message was.

17:45 Speaker 3: They become anger because what they realize is to become a Christian is to no longer be able to do what you want to do.

17:52 Speaker 3: So they're not going to blame themselves, they're not going to go.

17:56 Speaker 3: Oh no, I just don't want to do what I want to do, or, yeah, I don't want to.

18:00 Speaker 3: I want to do what I want to do and I don't want to accept this message.

18:04 Speaker 3: I'm just a selfish creature and I'd rather go to hell than give up what I want to do, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.

18:14 Speaker 3: Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.

18:19 Speaker 3: And then he said to him, as if it needed to be said what did he say there?

18:24 Speaker 3: Jacob, follow me, follow me, follow me.

18:26 Speaker 3: That's on the service of things.

18:28 Speaker 3: That's kind of insulting, isn't it?

18:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think so.

18:32 Speaker 3: Like, let me.

18:33 Speaker 3: Most people would go.

18:35 Speaker 3: Well, I know that.

18:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been a Christian for so many years.

18:38 Speaker 3: I was baptized.

18:39 Speaker 3: I asked you in my heart, I prayed the believer's prayer, I did the rosary.

18:43 Speaker 3: Whatever it is your particular baptized got baptized.

18:46 Speaker 2: That's all these things.

18:48 Speaker 3: So, lord, I know that I have to follow you.

18:50 Speaker 3: Why are you telling me that you know all defensiveness has to go If you're going to hear from Jesus Christ, if you're going to be blessed, it has to go.

19:00 Speaker 3: All you do is harm yourself.

19:03 Speaker 3: Jesus wants to say things to us and we don't listen and we have to wind up learning the hard way.

19:09 Speaker 3: That's the bottom line.

19:10 Speaker 3: If we even learn, a lot of people don't learn or they'll drift away or they no longer want to follow because the cost is too high.

19:18 Speaker 3: But Jesus said follow me.

19:21 Speaker 3: Clearly he's driving home some things in Peter that need to be crucified and taken to the cross.

19:27 Speaker 3: The question really for all of us today, including myself, is are we really listening to Jesus or are we interrupting all the time?

19:35 Speaker 3: Or are we being indignant like, yeah, I know, I love you, you know that, and it takes a long time for us to actually get hurt?

19:43 Speaker 3: I'm rather old in the lord and to a certain degree, I've learned.

19:49 Speaker 3: Don't argue, it's just not worth it.

19:52 Speaker 3: Um, not only do I hunger and thirst for righteousness and resent it when my sinful nature comes up and just doesn't want to listen, but there's just within my spirit.

20:01 Speaker 3: It's like I do not want to grieve the holy spirit.

20:04 Speaker 3: What do you have to tell me, lord, no matter what it is?

20:05 Speaker 3: I know it's like I do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit.

20:06 Speaker 3: What do you have to tell me, lord, no matter what it is?

20:07 Speaker 3: I know it's a blessing If he comes to me and says you're the worst vile preacher that ever existed great, that's a blessing.

20:14 Speaker 3: If he says you're a faithful servant, that's also a blessing, taken in humility.

20:20 Speaker 3: Any comments before we move on to the next scripture Jacob no humility.

20:27 Speaker 6: Any comments before we move on to the next scripture?

20:30 Speaker 6: Jacob, no.

20:30 Speaker 6: Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter Isaiah 520.

21:00 Speaker 6: Woe to King County Prosecutors of Seattle Washington.

21:16 Speaker 1: Play the intro again, jacob, and then we'll get into 1 Corinthians 2, verse 1.

21:20 Speaker 1: What's up, prosecutor Jason Simmons?

21:25 Speaker 1: Bible Study Time, part 3.

21:26 Speaker 1: Topic leadership without persuasive words, leadership without eloquence, leadership without superior wisdom, leadership that is the opposite of King County Courts of Washington State.

Leadership Without Persuasive Words

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21:56 Speaker 3: Jacob, go ahead and play the file for 1 Corinthians, chapter 2, verses 1 through 8.

22:02 Speaker 5: 1 Corinthians 2, 1 through 8.

22:05 Speaker 5: When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom, as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God, for I resolved to know nothing while I was with you, except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

22:18 Speaker 5: I came to you in weakness and fear and with much trembling.

22:22 Speaker 5: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom but on God's power.

22:34 Speaker 5: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing this age, or of the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing.

22:47 Speaker 5: No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

22:52 Speaker 5: None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory jacob, would you say, my preaching is full of eloquence no, eloquence would be like fancy words fancy words.

23:14 Speaker 3: smooth, would you say.

23:17 Speaker 3: I'm interesting that you paused on that.

23:19 Speaker 3: I did not come with eloquence, paul says would you say that I have superior wisdom about the greek, the hebrew, the context, the historical, this entertaining jokes, all kinds of things that would just make it seem alive to people?

23:34 Speaker 3: No, I'm not even a trained speaker for that matter.

23:37 Speaker 3: Paul said when I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom, as I proclaim to you the testimony about God.

23:46 Speaker 3: I don't come in with flattery, I don't come in with nice stories.

23:50 Speaker 3: I mean, humor sometimes gets in there, but it's not an eloquence kind of thing.

23:54 Speaker 3: I mean, you watch some of these polished people preaching on TV or whatever.

23:58 Speaker 3: They're very smooth at what they do I'll use the word talent for lack of a better term but when you preach about Jesus Christ, that's not what this is about.

24:07 Speaker 3: Am I trying Does my speaking come across?

24:10 Speaker 3: To try and persuade anyone, jacob?

24:12 Speaker 3: No, do I come in and go?

24:14 Speaker 3: You need to come to Jesus Christ because you'll be really blessed.

24:17 Speaker 3: And this over here, and exciting stories over here, and you just turn everything over.

24:23 Speaker 3: Do you sense?

24:24 Speaker 3: I'm trying to persuade people what to do?

24:27 Speaker 3: No, well, prosecutor jason simmons, everything that you do is to persuade.

24:32 Speaker 3: You lie to persuade.

24:35 Speaker 3: You bring in quote-unquote facts to persuade.

24:39 Speaker 3: You're trying to persuade the jury.

24:41 Speaker 3: We are completely the opposite.

24:44 Speaker 3: Your leadership is not my leadership and I detest your leadership just as the Lord does.

24:51 Speaker 3: I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom, so I proclaim to you the testimony about God.

24:57 Speaker 3: It's rough, it's clear, it's like the cross, it's solid, it's understandable.

25:02 Speaker 3: It is presented in a fashion that you know exactly what you're hearing.

25:05 Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to evade, to come in as some shadow over here or to ask a series of questions to confuse you and then ask one at the end to persuade or manipulate a jury to go.

25:15 Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's the great gospel.

25:17 Speaker 3: You know you cheated when you won.

25:19 Speaker 3: In that case, you brought in the gospel and the gospel's not presented in the way you did it.

25:24 Speaker 3: You can whine and complain and every jury is going to go.

25:32 Speaker 3: I don't like it because it is the opposite of the sinful world.

25:33 Speaker 3: You persuaded people to hate jesus christ.

25:34 Speaker 3: How hard do you think that is jacob?

25:35 Speaker 3: How hard is that to do?

25:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, how hard is it to get people, persuade them to not like jesus?

25:41 Speaker 3: That's not hard, not hard at all.

25:42 Speaker 3: No so, prosecutor simmons, your prosecution was extremely lazy, on just a minimal level.

25:48 Speaker 3: All right, 1 Corinthians 2.2, for I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified, and I do not have time today to explain that, although all these podcasts show you that.

26:00 Speaker 3: Now, 1 Corinthians 2.3, how does Paul say he came preaching the gospel?

26:06 Speaker 3: I came to you in weakness and fear.

26:09 Speaker 3: I came to you in weakness and fear.

26:12 Speaker 3: You're not going to understand that.

26:15 Speaker 3: Well, to a certain degree, I mean prosecutors kind of like worry about can I persuade the jury, but that's a sinful kind of fear.

26:21 Speaker 3: This is a fear that comes from knowing a holy God and that he holds you responsible for every careless word you say.

26:29 Speaker 3: You do know that, mr Simmons, that Jesus Christ said men will be judged for every careless word proclaimed, every careless word.

26:37 Speaker 3: Now, just think about all the prosecutions that you've done, and certainly what you did in this particular case Every careless slander, every, every little slight, every little slur, everything that was construed falsely you would be judged for on the slightest level.

26:52 Speaker 3: Paul says I came to you in weakness and fear and with much trembling, much trembling.

27:01 Speaker 3: Uh, jacob, you want to be a preacher?

27:03 Speaker 2: uh, no, it's not like that super top of my list.

27:04 Speaker 2: Not on the super top you don.

27:05 Speaker 2: You want to be a preacher?

27:06 Speaker 2: No, it's not like that super top of my list.

27:08 Speaker 3: Not on the super top.

27:08 Speaker 3: You don't want to walk around in a state of weakness and fear.

27:11 Speaker 3: No, that's usually not like a perk of a job you wouldn't get up in the morning and go oh, I'm a preacher and I'm ready for all the trembling and all the fear.

27:22 Speaker 3: And God, just come to me more with more judgment, show me more sin, so that when I preach and what I declare really are your words in the way it should be said.

27:30 Speaker 3: You're not interested in weakness and fear and trembling?

27:33 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't sound fun.

27:34 Speaker 2: No, and if you?

27:35 Speaker 3: find a man agreeing to it and it's a sinful nature.

27:38 Speaker 3: Guess what?

27:38 Speaker 3: You're in serious trouble.

27:39 Speaker 3: But anyway, prosecutor Simmons, this is what leadership is in Jesus Christ.

27:46 Speaker 3: This is the position.

27:48 Speaker 3: Every decision that was made, to one degree or another, had all kinds of weakness and fear and trembling.

27:55 Speaker 3: No decision was made easily.

27:58 Speaker 3: You know, when you're in your sinful nature and you want what you want, every decision becomes easy, right?

28:03 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I want this, I want that I want that.

28:06 Speaker 3: I constantly heard it from the mover of the A crime.

28:07 Speaker 3: I want this.

28:08 Speaker 3: I want that.

28:08 Speaker 3: I want that.

28:08 Speaker 3: I constantly heard it from the mover of the A-crime.

28:09 Speaker 3: I want this.

28:10 Speaker 3: I want that there was no fear and trembling about what you're asking, because you just want what you want.

28:13 Speaker 3: It's like a spoiled child.

28:14 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 2, 4,.

28:16 Speaker 3: Mr Simmons, go to it.

28:18 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 2, verse 4.

28:21 Speaker 3: This is Paul speaking.

28:22 Speaker 3: My message, the whole message itself, not just sections.

28:26 Speaker 3: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words.

28:33 Speaker 3: I wrote Prosecutor Satisbury at the time and told him I would not flatter him, and I don't think I have.

28:40 Speaker 3: Have I flattered him at all?

28:41 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so Okay.

28:42 Speaker 3: So that's kind of clear.

28:43 Speaker 3: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words I'm not a wise man by the standards of this world and persuasive words again, I I love that.

28:57 Speaker 3: Those words there.

28:57 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to persuade anybody.

28:59 Speaker 3: I'm presenting the gospel and if god is able to move on their heart, if he's able to draw them to him because remember, mr simmons, nobody comes to jesus christ unless god has enabled them.

29:11 Speaker 3: So why would I persuade a bunch of people who don't really want to be there?

29:14 Speaker 3: Seriously, why would I want to go out and persuade and market and build a church for a bunch of people that don't want to be there?

29:25 Speaker 2: Jacob, only if you were, I guess.

29:31 Speaker 2: Well, their narrative would be the evil cult leader who wants money, and everything comes back to you.

29:35 Speaker 3: Well, I agree with that.

29:35 Speaker 3: Don't most churches try to persuade you to come to church?

29:39 Speaker 2: Yes.

29:39 Speaker 3: I mean from the church sign out front all the way down and the marketing and the flyers and all those things that come out.

29:44 Speaker 2: They're trying to appeal to a certain type of crowd, because different people are going to be drawn to different things.

29:49 Speaker 2: That's why there's different churches correct and it all comes.

29:52 Speaker 3: I remember one time sharing with somebody about the gospel, the message of the cross, and this guy was in marketing or whatever, and I was actually talking more with his wife.

29:59 Speaker 3: He was sitting there and he turned and said, well, this is not very market.

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30:02 Speaker 3: So his wife you know how a wife will do is tap you on the side like you don't say those things.

30:09 Speaker 3: But it's true.

30:09 Speaker 3: The message of the cross, mr Simmons, as you well know, because you presented it in to before a jury about an unrelated situation in order to win a cheated conviction you know all too well that you can.

30:23 Speaker 3: The message of the cross is not marketable.

30:27 Speaker 3: If it is, it's going to totally backfire.

30:29 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians, 2, 5, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom.

30:35 Speaker 3: I do not want the Spirit of Jesus, does not want the Holy Spirit, does not want anyone belonging in a church because of a sermon or logic or things reasoned out.

30:50 Speaker 3: Look, I've reasoned with a lot of people why something is sin and it doesn't lead to them joining the church or falling under conviction or getting the new life, because why I'm not trying to logically box them in so they go.

31:04 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll check the box and ask Jesus Christ, my personal Lord and Savior?

31:07 Speaker 3: That's not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

31:09 Speaker 3: And if it should happen, if that should take place, then their faith is resting on what, jacob?

31:15 Speaker 3: What does the scripture say?

31:15 Speaker 3: Their faith would be resting on Man's wisdom, man's wisdom, but on God's power.

31:23 Speaker 3: Everybody needs to come in contact with the living God.

31:28 Speaker 3: That's what I preached, mr Simmons, that's what I demand, mr Simmons, and I would refute and argue against and destroy anything that was said or done that would present a gospel message that was based on men's wisdom.

31:44 Speaker 3: I hope that's really, really getting clear to King County prosecutors.

31:48 Speaker 3: Don't say they'll like it.

31:50 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 2.6,.

31:51 Speaker 3: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature.

31:56 Speaker 3: It's the immature jury, it's the immature prosecuting attorneys, the immature, soft-spoken judges that do the evil.

32:07 Speaker 3: They don't want to think, they don't want to reason, they don't want to give anything up.

32:11 Speaker 3: They want to enjoy their meal, they want to enjoy their pride and their position and who they are.

32:15 Speaker 3: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, those that are waking up, those that are maturing, those that are going on to being adults in this world.

32:26 Speaker 3: Jacob, is there any mystery to the fact of why Satan is using the governor and the state of Washington to keep everybody's immature little baby Democrats.

32:36 Speaker 2: Is there any secret?

32:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no real secret because Satan's in control.

32:42 Speaker 3: Right, he doesn't want anybody growing up.

32:43 Speaker 3: And, by the way, I picked on the Democrats Republicans do the same thing.

32:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do the same thing.

32:47 Speaker 3: They want everybody.

32:48 Speaker 3: Satan wants everybody immature.

32:50 Speaker 3: He doesn't want anybody growing up.

32:51 Speaker 3: He wants them throwing fits.

32:51 Speaker 3: He wants everybody to go take selfie on a cliff.

32:54 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, and the bottom line hey, come on, that's like the easiest way.

32:58 Speaker 2: That's even probably easier than, like Satan, enticing people to commit suicide.

33:02 Speaker 3: Correct.

33:03 Speaker 3: Forget the Oscars and all the.

33:04 Speaker 3: You know what were the masonic you just get them to go up to a cliff go, snap, snap, and there you go.

33:09 Speaker 3: In the news.

33:10 Speaker 3: There's people that are going down on spring break in the most criminal, worst places and go.

33:14 Speaker 3: Something bad happened to them.

33:15 Speaker 3: Why do you think and this is really one of the terrible aspects of prosecutors they convince especially young women of what the world should be and not what it is.

33:28 Speaker 3: There's this thought of you can live and dress and be as reckless as you want and go down dark alleys and all that, and we'll be there to bring about justice.

33:37 Speaker 3: Well, so then this careless attitude gets in.

33:40 Speaker 3: It's really, it's immature.

33:41 Speaker 3: You're not allowed to tell your kid, no, don't grow in the middle of the street or no, don't go over here, watch out for that.

33:46 Speaker 3: So either everybody becomes paranoid and everybody gets isolated, and then that creates more confusion, and then they can't even identify sexually who they are, or they're out here just doing whatever.

33:56 Speaker 3: They're not mature.

33:57 Speaker 3: And so we think, oh, I was attacked and this happened and I don't know, they took advantage of me.

34:02 Speaker 3: Well, duh, you're teaching these women this lie of what the world should be and not what it is.

34:08 Speaker 3: Whereas a good parent, somebody being mature, is like, it's a tough world out there, it's an evil world.

34:13 Speaker 3: There are bad cops everywhere.

34:15 Speaker 3: There are evil prosecutors.

34:17 Speaker 3: In every office there are judges that will do exactly what they want to do to puff themselves up.

34:23 Speaker 3: They will send you to prison.

34:24 Speaker 3: They will not care less.

34:26 Speaker 3: They will care less about the consequences and the evil they have done.

34:29 Speaker 3: Is that not absolutely true, very true?

34:33 Speaker 3: And so all of this constant what we want to protect society?

34:36 Speaker 3: It's a sham, it's a lie.

34:37 Speaker 3: People, when you go into jury duty, they are flat out lying to you.

34:41 Speaker 3: We want to protect everybody.

34:42 Speaker 3: Really.

34:43 Speaker 3: If they wanted to protect everybody, when was the last time a prosecutor was prosecuted?

34:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

34:48 Speaker 3: When was the last time a police was actually prosecuted?

34:51 Speaker 3: And I mean that.

34:52 Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't something in the news that everybody's all upset about.

34:55 Speaker 3: It's well, we'll be here all day if I start going down that road.

34:58 Speaker 3: All right, jacob, I better let you read first corinthians 2, and I'll take a breath here a moment.

35:04 Speaker 2: We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

35:16 Speaker 3: Judge Lori K Smith, who is Woman of the Year, is coming to nothing.

35:21 Speaker 3: Every King County prosecutor, every city of Enumclaw policemen, every ruler of this age is coming to nothing.

35:33 Speaker 3: You can have all the rewards you want.

35:36 Speaker 3: You know, in 1 John it says those are the world.

35:39 Speaker 3: The world listens to them.

35:40 Speaker 3: Why do you think Judge Laurie K Smith received Woman of the Year Award?

35:44 Speaker 3: She's part of the world.

35:44 Speaker 3: She's not part of Jesus Christ.

35:45 Speaker 3: Am I receiving Preacher of the Year Award?

35:46 Speaker 3: She's part of the world.

35:46 Speaker 3: She's not part of Jesus Christ.

35:46 Speaker 3: Am I receiving Preacher of the Year Award?

35:49 Speaker 3: No, and of course it would be to just show how unfair it is.

35:53 Speaker 3: Again, when was the last time a man got a man of the Year Award?

35:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that shows the violence against the law within King County prosecutors.

36:02 Speaker 3: Anyway, we do not, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing.

36:13 Speaker 3: There's a King County prosecutors' leadership is nothing.

36:19 Speaker 3: Godly, leadership is everything.

36:22 Speaker 3: One is coming to nothing.

36:25 Speaker 3: One is heading to glory.

36:26 Speaker 3: First corinthians 2, 7, jacob again, I'm going to let you read that because I want people to soak that in that prosecutor jason simmons, is not able to hear or understand.

36:39 Speaker 3: Neither judge laurie k smith or any of the other people of the gospel can.

36:43 Speaker 3: So when simmons put on trial and that's what he did when he put the word of God on trial up there, when he put righteousness on trial up there, he's talking to first of all.

36:53 Speaker 3: Juries are dumbed down, right, yes, I mean they pick to think about that.

36:57 Speaker 3: Juries are the weakest element in the judicial system and of course, the judges love it that way, the prosecutors love it that way, the police love it that way.

37:05 Speaker 3: The prosecutors love it that way, the police love it that way.

37:06 Speaker 3: I mean you got people who starry-eyed like, oh yeah, the police are great and the prosecutor is protecting us and the whole shedang and the judge is up there trying to do what's right and blah, blah, blah, and so they'll just check in the box and what goes on.

37:17 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you they win every case.

37:19 Speaker 3: You can't win every lottery, but the basic point is true that the weakest element, the dumbest people, are selected for jury duty.

37:26 Speaker 3: Correct, yes, all right.

37:29 Speaker 3: Then we add on top of that layer a secret wisdom.

37:33 Speaker 3: Everything on this podcast, everything we're talking about, is a secret wisdom.

37:36 Speaker 3: You're not going to understand it unless you actually come to Jesus Christ.

37:39 Speaker 3: Even in the explaining of it, how many people are scratching their heads, if they're even listening, saying you got to hate your life, what's that?

37:46 Speaker 3: Or usually, when I say you got to hate your life, they go well, I do hate life, which is different than hating your life.

37:53 Speaker 3: They don't get it.

37:54 Speaker 3: No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

38:05 Speaker 3: This wisdom beats your wisdom, mr Simmons.

38:08 Speaker 3: All right.

38:10 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 2.8.

38:11 Speaker 2: Go ahead and read that, jacob None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would have not crucified the Lord of glory.

38:22 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, if you'd understood maybe even tried to understand what was going on, you wouldn't have done the wicked thing you did.

38:32 Speaker 3: Judge Laurie K Smith would not have allowed it to even enter the courtroom.

38:37 Speaker 3: Again, I repeat it it's always amazed me there was no discussion among prosecutors going up to trial that they were going to put the church on trial.

38:46 Speaker 3: It was all about malcolm frazier.

38:49 Speaker 3: Right, that's the focus the first day of the trial, the first couple hours of the trial.

38:54 Speaker 3: Well, first of all they they state we're not going to call the mover and the shaker of the hate crime to testify.

39:01 Speaker 3: Therefore we couldn't cross-examine.

39:02 Speaker 3: And she flew off to texas to hide out until after the trial, even though she was not afraid to tell her story.

39:07 Speaker 2: But that's a whole.

39:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's not afraid to tell her story.

39:12 Speaker 2: But I'm moving to texas yep, I'm flying out to texas, I'm out of here till the trial's over with.

39:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, okay, anyway.

39:19 Speaker 3: One lie after another.

39:20 Speaker 3: Um, if you'd have bothered to try and understand, you wouldn't have done what you did.

39:26 Speaker 3: It was so baseless, so crass and gross.

39:31 Speaker 3: None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the lord of glory.

39:37 Speaker 3: You know, it's not like jesus didn't explain things.

39:40 Speaker 3: It's not like he didn't raise the dead and heal people.

39:44 Speaker 3: It wasn't like his teachings were out in the open but they just couldn't grasp it.

39:49 Speaker 3: They couldn't understand it because they are trapped in their sin.

39:53 Speaker 3: Any comments or anything, jacob, before we move on to the next section?

39:58 Speaker 3: No, all right, go ahead again and play this section of scripture and we'll probably wrap that up with this, but it is a little bit long.

40:06 Speaker 5: Go ahead 1 Corinthians, 9, 19 through 27.

40:10 Speaker 5: Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone to win as many as possible.

40:18 Speaker 5: To the Jews, I became like a Jew to win the Jews.

40:22 Speaker 5: To those under the law, I became like one under the law, though I myself am not under the law, so as to win those under the law.

40:32 Speaker 5: To those not having the law.

40:34 Speaker 5: I became like one not having the law, though I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law, so as to win those not having the law.

40:45 Speaker 5: To the weak.

40:46 Speaker 5: I became weak to win the weak.

40:49 Speaker 5: I have become all things to all men so that, by all possible means, I might save some.

40:54 Speaker 5: I do all this for the sake of the gospel that I may share in its blessings.

40:59 Speaker 5: Do you not know that in a race, all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?

41:05 Speaker 5: Run in such a way as to get the prize.

41:08 Speaker 5: Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training.

41:12 Speaker 5: They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

41:19 Speaker 5: Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

41:23 Speaker 5: I do not fight like a man running aimlessly.

41:24 Speaker 5: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

41:25 Speaker 5: No, I beat my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

41:36 Speaker 3: Jacob, go ahead and read chapter 9, verse 23 there 1 Corinthians 9, 23.

41:44 Speaker 2: I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

41:49 Speaker 3: Your Honor, do you see how selfish he is?

41:52 Speaker 3: Everything he does is for himself.

41:54 Speaker 3: He's only preaching the gospel.

41:56 Speaker 3: He only has this church, he only does this ministry.

41:59 Speaker 3: He only has the Salt Shaker bookstore.

42:01 Speaker 3: Because why what's he trying to do, your Honor?

42:03 Speaker 3: What's?

42:04 Speaker 2: it say Share in its blessing.

42:06 Speaker 2: He wants to share in its blessing.

42:07 Speaker 3: He says I do all this for the sake of the gospel that I may share in the blessing.

42:11 Speaker 3: It's about Paul.

42:13 Speaker 3: It all comes back to Paul.

42:15 Speaker 2: All the suffering he talks about All the teachings.

42:18 Speaker 3: Everything comes back the books he writes, the books he calls them from god.

42:30 Speaker 3: He's inspired the whole bit.

42:31 Speaker 3: Your honor.

42:31 Speaker 3: We need to deal with this man powerfully.

42:32 Speaker 3: He is selfish, he's controlling.

42:32 Speaker 3: I need to show the environment because so and so down in jail, number cell number 603 stole a pop tart somewhere in the grocery store and it's because paul is over here boasting about that.

42:38 Speaker 3: He's selfish with the gospel of jesus christ.

42:41 Speaker 3: Did I get, uh, prosecutor simmons out of my system at that moment?

42:46 Speaker 2: but that's a pretty good uh uh representation.

42:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty good representation.

42:51 Speaker 2: Was it eloquent?

42:52 Speaker 2: Of the old simmons?

42:53 Speaker 2: Was the old simmons?

42:55 Speaker 2: I don't, is there a new sim?

42:56 Speaker 2: I just say no, I just say the old simmons.

42:58 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, as in what has occurred, the old simmons yeah, well, when he gets baptized, we'll truly talk about the old yeah, oh yeah.

43:06 Speaker 3: I'm not in any way implying that he has changed you know why, mr Simmons, you should have stayed being a defense attorney, that that was certainly a first calling on your heart, but it won't do any good unless you actually become a disciple of Jesus anyway.

43:18 Speaker 3: So an evil mind can twist all this around, correct now?

43:23 Speaker 3: Now, as I said that, let's go ahead, though, and read, say, verse 26 and 27.

43:29 Speaker 3: And once again, we'll see the humility and the fear and trembling that goes along with saying I do this all that I may share in its blessing.

43:36 Speaker 3: Go ahead, jacob, read verses 26 and 27.

43:40 Speaker 2: Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

43:43 Speaker 2: I do not fight like a man running aimlessly.

43:45 Speaker 2: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

43:46 Speaker 2: No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

43:57 Speaker 3: When he states that he's preaching the gospel, you know, for the sake of the gospel, that he can share in its blessing.

44:02 Speaker 3: What's mixed in there again, jacob?

44:04 Speaker 3: Suffering, suffering, suffering, fear and trembling.

44:07 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean.

44:08 Speaker 3: He ends with the statement that I don't want to be disqualified.

44:11 Speaker 3: He's working out of salvation with fear and trembling.

44:14 Speaker 3: You see the fear that's associated with this, the humility, the brokenness, all of that's there.

44:19 Speaker 3: So again we're back to you know you got chef ramsey, who eats his meal different than I would eat a meal and who we give thanks to in the same way.

44:28 Speaker 3: When he is saying I want to share in it, it's not coming from selfishness, it's not coming from a power trip.

44:35 Speaker 3: He's not trying to lord it over them.

44:37 Speaker 3: He has a fear and really it's something you wouldn't understand.

44:40 Speaker 3: It's called genuine love.

44:42 Speaker 3: He genuinely loves other people and he genuinely, genuinely loves the gospel from a selfless point in his heart and his spirit and his mind.

44:54 Speaker 3: He's not grabbing on for anything for himself, which answers another question 1 Corinthians 9, 26,.

45:01 Speaker 3: What does he say, jacob?

45:02 Speaker 3: Therefore, therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly.

45:06 Speaker 3: This is a little bit of a tough question to answer.

45:10 Speaker 3: Apply that to all the projects or works.

45:17 Speaker 3: That sound doctrine did what is there and you don't have to have anything, because this is a little bit out there as far as trying to explain it cold um, does anything ring the bell with that?

45:30 Speaker 2: um, well, all the, all the projects that sound doctrine church.

45:35 Speaker 2: They had a purpose, so they're.

45:36 Speaker 2: It wasn't done just aimlessly.

45:38 Speaker 3: It wasn't like a like a shotgun, where you just fire into the air and hope you hit something right, remember, the accusation is everything comes back to me, yeah, which meant the salt shaker came back to me, wine press publishing came back to me.

45:50 Speaker 3: Uh, the church came back to me, the tracks came back to me, the books had my name on them, so I guess they came back to me, right.

45:57 Speaker 3: Everything came back to me, right?

45:59 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not running aimlessly, jacob.

46:06 Speaker 3: Is there anything about my life that, like there's not an aim and a goal and a direction?

46:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always a goal, there's always a direction.

46:13 Speaker 3: In fact, kind of annoying.

46:14 Speaker 3: I mean, what am I going to do for lunch?

46:15 Speaker 3: I aim for what I'm going to do From that.

46:18 Speaker 3: Naturally, you're going to see the fruit of that Sound Doctrine.

46:23 Speaker 3: Church just wasn't hanging around.

46:24 Speaker 3: We weren't there just content to go, and by content I mean we weren't there just to come to church, praise jesus, go home quietly, associate with all the pastors in town.

46:32 Speaker 3: We were busy people.

46:34 Speaker 3: Because why I am busy?

46:37 Speaker 3: I am not aimlessly following jesus christ.

46:39 Speaker 3: I there is a purpose, there's a direction.

46:41 Speaker 3: He's showing what needs to be done.

46:43 Speaker 3: It takes beating my body, self-discipline, day in and day out, moving forward, getting the perseverance of Jesus Christ being dead to my own perseverance, my own wisdom and what I want to do.

46:52 Speaker 3: Therefore, it's natural it's the fruit of that kind of discipline and following Jesus Christ that yes, there were a lot of projects and yes, I was overseeing those projects.

47:04 Speaker 3: It's because I am not a lazy Christian that is just aimlessly enjoying Jesus Christ for the food that he can provide.

47:12 Speaker 3: Is that kind of clear?

47:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's clear.

47:15 Speaker 3: Therefore, I do not run like a man, running aimlessly.

47:18 Speaker 3: I do not fight like a man beating the air.

47:20 Speaker 3: You know I'm after you, right?

47:21 Speaker 3: You know I'm not just beating the air like, oh, I'm contending for the faith.

47:26 Speaker 3: I I see that a lot on the internet.

47:28 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I'm, I'm contending for the faith, we're biting for the well, how specifically how that's coming out?

47:34 Speaker 3: How are you actually engaging in confronting the gospel in very specific ways, and there are a lot of people doing that.

47:42 Speaker 3: I'm just giving the example here.

47:43 Speaker 3: This is the character that that Jesus Christ is working within me, so it's natural to find those products, and it takes an evil person like Detective Grant McCall and King County prosecutors to think this is just some self-centered thing where everything came back to me First of all.

48:00 Speaker 3: It's massively stupid.

48:02 Speaker 3: What did I the Salt Shakeraker bookstore exactly how did I benefit from?

48:08 Speaker 2: that, uh, you didn't.

48:10 Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of people that were spreading lies that, uh, there was a bunch of money.

48:16 Speaker 2: I mean that was another thing, you know.

48:17 Speaker 4: I mean you saw the wine press you're getting so most, most evil in the world.

48:22 Speaker 2: How much of it comes back to money.

48:24 Speaker 2: And so a lot of dudes out there, whether it be the TBN preachers or they, do all this stuff with their elegant words and their ministries.

48:33 Speaker 2: Because why?

48:34 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there's a bunch of money.

48:36 Speaker 3: That's a good point.

48:37 Speaker 3: In fact, we had the video of somebody the guys coming in and saying we're just collecting a lot of money, so that's a good point.

48:44 Speaker 3: Well, just for the record, salt Shaker Bookstore was not making money.

48:47 Speaker 2: No, it was a nonprofit.

48:49 Speaker 3: But you know, in the whole takedown of the church.

48:51 Speaker 2: we know certain individuals that were digging around stealing wine press documents trying to find a bunch of money, but there was none.

Beating My Body to Serve Others

49:00 Speaker 3: Well, exactly.

49:01 Speaker 3: And then, of course, King County prosecutors took care of Wine Press Publishing.

49:04 Speaker 4: Correct?

49:04 Speaker 4: That certainly didn't make any money.

49:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do not fight like a man beating the air.

49:08 Speaker 3: No, I beat my body and, by the way, I don't live that perfectly, but I sure wish that I did, and pray that I do, and I continue to go on.

49:15 Speaker 3: I beat my body and make it my slave.

49:18 Speaker 3: Want to be a Christian, mr Simmons?

49:21 Speaker 3: You want to be a teacher on top of that?

49:23 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a normal Christian life.

49:25 Speaker 3: You're supposed to be beating your body, making your slave, making it be obedient.

49:29 Speaker 3: Not whining, not complaining, not grumbling.

49:32 Speaker 3: All the attention we give to.

49:33 Speaker 3: One of the things I look forward to in heaven is you don't have to take care of yourself.

49:37 Speaker 3: All the attention that goes into it, all the money, all the things we got to do, man, total freedom, just to worship the Lord, just to be able to be there.

49:46 Speaker 3: No, I beat my body and make it my slave.

49:48 Speaker 3: Interesting being baptized to, mr simmons.

49:52 Speaker 3: See, this is not a message that people are attracted to.

49:54 Speaker 3: These are not persuasive words.

49:56 Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

49:56 Speaker 3: No wonder paul's saying I didn't come with persuasive, persuasive words because the gospel message itself is offensive.

50:03 Speaker 3: What did?

50:04 Speaker 3: Did we advertise in Enumclaw like, yeah, beat your body, make it your slave come to our church on Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon?

50:12 Speaker 3: Of course not.

50:13 Speaker 3: It's not even marketable.

50:14 Speaker 3: People have to see it.

50:15 Speaker 3: That's why Satan works really hard to keep people from talking to me or ever coming to church Once again.

50:23 Speaker 3: I myself may not be disqualified.

50:26 Speaker 3: I'm not some happy Baptist that thinks he's saved and always saved.

50:30 Speaker 3: I am working out my salvation with fear and trembling.

50:33 Speaker 3: So on top of all of this, on top of being a preacher, a teacher, a disciple, counseling people, confronting those who oppose the gospel, the persecution, the prosecutions, all those things, plus the daily life of just having faith in Jesus Christ, I become a slave to everybody.

50:50 Speaker 3: Tell me, mr Simmons, how do you become a slave to everybody?

50:55 Speaker 3: What's that mean?

50:56 Speaker 3: You wanted to know how leadership worked.

50:59 Speaker 3: You posed all the questions right.

51:01 Speaker 3: So you tell me you clearly have superior wisdom.

51:05 Speaker 3: Wisdom, or you would not have brought it up in a court of law to soft-spoken Judge Lori K Smith, would you?

51:11 Speaker 3: How, then, do you make yourself a slave to everyone?

51:15 Speaker 3: A slave to everyone?

51:17 Speaker 3: Tell me how it's done.

51:18 Speaker 3: I can tell you how I've done it, but you tell me how you've done it.

51:22 Speaker 3: To the Jews.

51:23 Speaker 3: I became like a Jew To win the Jews to those under the law.

51:26 Speaker 3: I became like one under the law though I myself am not under the law so as to win those under the law.

51:32 Speaker 3: What people don't realize is how much energy and prayer and time and effort it takes to be a slave to everyone.

51:42 Speaker 3: If I go into somebody's house, that's lower income, right, and I make myself a slave to them.

51:49 Speaker 3: I'm not asking them to conform to me.

51:51 Speaker 3: I have to figure out how do I make myself a slave to them.

51:55 Speaker 3: If a millionaire and that's not too much these days a multimillionaire invites me into his house, I have to become rich, as if one is rich, that doesn't mean I get a rich bank account.

52:04 Speaker 3: That means I have to become part of their world and who they are, to relate to them.

52:10 Speaker 3: You often hear stories about missionaries.

52:12 Speaker 3: You know they'll go over into a particular land or country and they try and force the natives to be like them.

52:18 Speaker 3: There's not this first becoming like them and then teaching the gospel.

52:23 Speaker 3: In that context, what I want, well, what I would like Simmons and prosecutors to see just how much energy and wisdom is required to live this.

52:33 Speaker 3: These aren't just like idle words.

52:36 Speaker 3: You've got to figure out.

52:37 Speaker 3: Well, how do I become a Jew under the law without being under the law?

52:41 Speaker 3: Figure that out, Tell me about that.

52:43 Speaker 3: Or to those not having the law, I became like one not having the law.

52:44 Speaker 3: Figure that out, tell me about that.

52:45 Speaker 3: Or to those not having the law, I became like one not having the law.

52:48 Speaker 3: Okay, so how do you go from living under the law though you're not under the law, to becoming somebody who's not under the law and living as though you're not under the law?

52:55 Speaker 3: To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law, though I am not free from God's law, but I'm under Christ's law.

53:07 Speaker 3: How does that work, simmons?

53:08 Speaker 3: How would the Holy Spirit lead that to be done?

53:12 Speaker 3: How much self has to be crucified, suffering against sin, to be that dead enough to your personality and who you are and who you think you are and who you want to be, to become a slave to somebody in the room?

53:25 Speaker 3: Most people want to be who they think they want to be.

53:30 Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

53:31 Speaker 3: Discover who yourself is.

53:33 Speaker 3: Why do you think Satan advertises on television everywhere Be whichever you're meant to be I can't even think of him anymore, but it's a constant thing In order to become a slave to all men, you have to be dead to self.

53:48 Speaker 3: You have to literally hate your own life.

53:51 Speaker 3: You have to pick up your cross, you have to deny yourself.

53:54 Speaker 3: You go into a Jewish home and the food is different than you go into a Gentile home.

54:00 Speaker 3: You can't, or you shouldn't be in there going.

54:02 Speaker 3: Well, I don't like this food and I won't eat this food over here.

54:05 Speaker 3: How do you become a slave to all these people?

54:08 Speaker 3: Have I always succeeded in this?

54:10 Speaker 3: I'll admit I have not, and I allow God to crucify me, to change me so that I might become a slave to everyone.

54:20 Speaker 3: Anything.

54:22 Speaker 3: Before I kind of wrap it up here Jacob, no, all right.

54:26 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 9, 22.

54:27 Speaker 3: To the weak, I became weak.

54:30 Speaker 3: I've already asked a series of questions.

54:34 Speaker 3: How you do all these other things, will you tell me?

54:36 Speaker 3: How do you become weak when you're strong in the Lord?

54:38 Speaker 3: Isn't everything about the world anyway?

54:43 Speaker 3: Be, be powerful, you know.

54:45 Speaker 3: Be this super human being, you know.

54:48 Speaker 3: Go for the goal, go for whatever.

54:50 Speaker 3: Do you know any lingos?

54:51 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of them now.

54:52 Speaker 3: Not necessarily, it's just everywhere, right?

54:55 Speaker 3: Well, how do you make yourself weak to win the week?

54:58 Speaker 3: I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means, I might save some.

55:07 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons is going to go, but he thinks he's the savior of everyone.

55:12 Speaker 3: Paul is doing all these things.

55:14 Speaker 3: He's becoming a Jew and he's becoming free over here and he's doing this over here and he's associating with these people over here and he's making himself weak here, all so that he thinks he can win them.

55:24 Speaker 3: Isn't that what an evil person would think?

55:27 Speaker 3: Yes, and we know that's not what paul is thinking.

55:30 Speaker 3: We know that's not where it's coming from and it's genuine, genuine, sincere love.

55:36 Speaker 3: In other words, I simply make myself a slave to everyone.

55:41 Speaker 3: I don't demand they conform to me or whatever I think they should be.

55:47 Speaker 3: I serve them and love them.

55:51 Speaker 3: I do all of this for the sake of the gospel, not for any other reason.

55:56 Speaker 3: Paul didn't have a big congregation.

55:58 Speaker 3: I know that might be shocking to you.

55:59 Speaker 3: A lot of the churches he had problems with.

56:01 Speaker 3: I know that must be a shocker too.

56:03 Speaker 3: There must be something wrong somewhere.

56:04 Speaker 3: A lot of the churches he had problems with I know that must be a shocker too.

56:06 Speaker 3: There must be something wrong somewhere.

56:07 Speaker 3: Paul was deserted twice where everybody left him.

56:08 Speaker 3: That must be also to Prosecutor Simmons.

56:10 Speaker 3: That's a sure sign something's wrong, somewhere right.

56:13 Speaker 3: I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessing.

56:18 Speaker 3: Well, we've already covered the non-selfish attitude of what he's trying to say here.

56:21 Speaker 3: Bottom line is pick up your cross and follow Jesus Christ.

56:27 Speaker 3: Take us out of here.

56:34 Speaker 4: Jacob, nothing on the Consider podcast should be considered legal or life advice.

56:36 Speaker 4: Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus.

56:40 Speaker 4: The Consider Podcast.