Clip: Reject All Concepts On Leadership

Selfish Ambition is a Crime

0:06 Speaker 1: It's prosecution.

0:07 Speaker 1: Jason Simmons Bible study time, part 4.

0:11 Speaker 1: Lesson to learn selfish ambition is a crime.

0:16 Speaker 1: James 3, 14 through 16.

0:19 Speaker 1: But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.

0:27 Speaker 1: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual of the devil.

0:35 Speaker 1: For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

0:42 Speaker 1: Disorder and every evil practice.

Consider Podcast Introduction

0:52 Speaker 1: The Consider podcast examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

King County vs Sound Doctrine Leadership

0:57 Speaker 2: Let us continue to answer Prosecutor Jason Simmons and judge Lori K Smith's accusation of a question of what was the leadership like at Sound Doctrine Church.

1:11 Speaker 2: We're going to consider the vast difference between leadership in the office of King County prosecutor's office and the office and I'm putting office in quote of Sound Doctrine Church.

1:23 Speaker 2: How's it going, jacob?

1:24 Speaker 2: Going good.

1:30 Speaker 2: There's no comparison between what goes on in King County Prosecutor's offices in terms of leadership and what went on at Sound Doctrine Church Couldn't even relate to it.

1:38 Speaker 2: I might logically be able to lay it out for Prosecutor Simmons, but you know what.

1:41 Speaker 2: The best he will be able to do I mean the very best he'll be able to do is to for prosecutor Simmons, but you know what.

1:44 Speaker 2: The best he will be able to do I mean the very best he'll be able to do is to logically agree that the logic is there, but understanding it you have to experience, and only that comes from the living God.

1:57 Speaker 2: Jacob, anything going on, anything you want to express, talk about or lay out before we get started?

2:02 Speaker 2: Nope, not right now.

Church Leadership Reality Check

2:03 Speaker 2: All right, excellent, let's go ahead and we're going to go to Luke, chapter 9, verse 44, and begin to talk about the fact that, if you're going to talk about leadership at Sound Doctrine Church, you're going to have to reject everything and all concepts you ever had about leadership, and that would include in the church.

2:24 Speaker 2: Jacob, you've been to other churches, you visited, you've looked at it.

2:28 Speaker 2: There's really no comparison to what you discovered out there and to what was in San Dr Church.

2:36 Speaker 2: Am I correct or am?

2:37 Speaker 2: I off base, no, 100% correct.

2:38 Speaker 2: Then when we get into in fact, most of the time most churches are pretty much organized just like King County office and everybody's trying to jockey for their position and get what they want out of the church and voice their opinion.

2:50 Speaker 2: I know you have more so sat in meetings in a church and there's always a naysayer.

2:58 Speaker 2: There's always this question over here and everybody wants a piece of something for themselves that they have in mind, right?

3:03 Speaker 2: Sure, A lot of times people have their own agenda, right?

3:08 Speaker 2: Agenda or opinion.

3:10 Speaker 1: Everybody certainly has their own opinion, oh yeah, you definitely.

3:14 Speaker 2: Maybe, like you don't even disagree with what leadership's doing, but you just want to give your opinion, like I just want to put it out there, that's a very common thing.

3:23 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, put it out there, go from there.

3:23 Speaker 2: That's a very common thing.

3:24 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, put it out there, go from there.

3:25 Speaker 2: And that's just human, sinful nature.

3:28 Speaker 2: And it took a long time for the apostles or really the disciples that were following Jesus at the time, but the apostles to learn that lesson.

Disciples' Struggle with True Leadership

3:36 Speaker 2: I mean we can get all the way up to the Last Supper.

3:40 Speaker 2: They've been with Jesus for three and a half years.

3:43 Speaker 2: They've raised the dead.

3:44 Speaker 2: They've raised the dead.

3:45 Speaker 2: They've healed the sick.

3:46 Speaker 2: They've faced persecution.

3:47 Speaker 2: They've listened to Jesus teach.

3:49 Speaker 2: They've watched him confront Pharisee and Sadducee and rich people and poor people.

3:54 Speaker 2: They've watched and listened to everything that Jesus said.

3:57 Speaker 2: In fact, they even taught what Jesus taught, correct?

4:01 Speaker 2: I mean, they went around.

4:02 Speaker 2: Jesus sent them into towns ahead of time.

4:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd send them out.

4:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said Jesus come.

4:06 Speaker 2: So we're talking about?

4:07 Speaker 2: They were teachers, they were leaders, they were out preaching and they were doing this on firsthand basis of knowing Jesus Christ, but they were completely stupid, dull, dumb when it came to the understanding of what leadership is about.

4:24 Speaker 2: There's a lot of churches they're not even going to be able to relate what we're going to look at here because they don't allow God to break them of self and of pride.