The Justin Bieber Gospel
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Cold Open And Show Intro
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SPEAKER_12: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.
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SPEAKER_12: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.
SPEAKER_07: How's it going, Jacob?
What Is An Undivided Heart
SPEAKER_07: It's going good.
SPEAKER_07: Jacob, would you like an undivided heart in relationship with the Lord?
SPEAKER_07: Uh yes.
SPEAKER_07: The if I went around and I said to everybody that claims to be a Christian, would you like an answer to prayer that you would have an undivided heart just completely focused on the Lord?
SPEAKER_07: They would say yes.
SPEAKER_07: Okay, they would say yes.
SPEAKER_07: Um, any of these so-called, like Justin Bieber people that claim to be Christian, whatever, we're gonna get into that in a moment.
SPEAKER_07: If I said, would you like an undivided heart?
SPEAKER_07: Again, what would they say?
SPEAKER_07: What would be their response?
SPEAKER_07: What would we anticipate?
SPEAKER_07: They would say yes.
SPEAKER_07: I doubt anybody's gonna go, no, I don't want one.
SPEAKER_07: Um, you know, Jesus did say, by the way, and we don't have time to thoroughly examine it, blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
SPEAKER_07: So when we see in Psalms 86, 11 the word undivided heart, we're really talking about the same thing, a pure heart.
SPEAKER_07: Okay, well, let me ask you a question.
SPEAKER_07: Why do you want an undivided heart?
Jacob: Because as a Christian, I want to love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
SPEAKER_07: That would probably be the answer I get from most people.
SPEAKER_07: Now, obviously, I know where I'm headed, so don't, you know, you never go off on some tangent, like, oh, you trap me or whatever.
SPEAKER_07: Um actually, that as I was reading the scripture last week or whatever, this just jumped out at me as many times, many scriptures.
SPEAKER_07: It's the Holy Spirit always keeps it alive, it never gets old.
SPEAKER_07: But that's not why whoever wrote Psalm 86, I'm gonna assume it's David, I'd have to look it up.
SPEAKER_07: That's not why he says he wants an undivided heart.
SPEAKER_07: Most of us would say, Well, I want to be closer to God.
SPEAKER_07: I want to love God, I want to feel God's presence.
SPEAKER_07: You know, it it this it would be really a happy emotion, right?
SPEAKER_07: Uh an undivided heart.
SPEAKER_07: No, it sounds hard, but Well, so it's hard to achieve.
SPEAKER_07: That that's not what I'm asking.
SPEAKER_07: But the goal or the reason why we would want it, we would assume it would be loaded with peace and it would be loaded with all kinds of refreshment, and you're loving God, and you're able to function, and there's just this kind of joy that would be wrapped up in having a pure, an undivided heart, correct?
Jacob: That's what the average Christian would say, yes.
Jacob: Okay, well, what would you say?
Jacob: Uh well, I would say that an undivided heart, as much as I want it, it's like a double-edged sword because I know that's gonna hurt.
Jacob: Because I know that means you're gonna give up everything in life.
Jacob: Your your mother, your father, your life, children, life, everything.
Jacob: Correct.
Jacob: So it's it w it's it's more sobering to me.
Jacob: I still I still do want it.
Jacob: That's the goal, but it's you know, it's not it the first thing that comes to mind is not, oh my, because then I'll be peaceful, then I'll be what happy, then I'll be one with God.
SPEAKER_07: That's true.
SPEAKER_07: You you've been uh very associated with picking up your cross and following Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_07: So you always know it's it's not this happy, smiling.
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
Jacob: And again, that's why and then and again, I that's why I said I it's hard to do, like that's still the goal, but it's more sobering to me than this more fluffy presence of God stuff.
SPEAKER_07: Well, let's kind of cut through all of that because that's not why the psalmist, the person who wrote the psalm, says that they want an undivided heart.
The Purpose: To Fear God’s Name
SPEAKER_07: Verse 11 of Psalm 86 says, Teach me your way, O Lord.
SPEAKER_07: Everybody goes, Oh, yeah, I want that.
SPEAKER_07: And I don't know.
SPEAKER_07: There, I don't know if there's any songs left in the Christian community that teach me your way, O Lord, and I will walk in your truth.
SPEAKER_07: Now look at what he says.
SPEAKER_07: Give me an undivided heart, and look at what he says the purpose is for, that I may fear your name.
SPEAKER_07: So we're praying and asking for if we go before the Lord and go, Lord, I want a pure heart, I want an undivided heart, and I and I just want a heart that's just about you.
SPEAKER_07: What does that mean that the blessing is going to be but fear?
SPEAKER_07: Forget all this other, you know, Jesus fluff stuff.
SPEAKER_07: That's not what it's first of all, even though you're familiar with the cross, that's not what you said.
SPEAKER_07: You didn't go, well, because I want to be more afraid.
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
SPEAKER_07: And it was just jumping out to me, yeah.
SPEAKER_07: In this world, as we follow now, you're close to saying the same thing, meaning as you go through the narrow gate and you walk the narrow road and you go down that way, what what begins to happen is God puts his fear in you.
SPEAKER_07: We we've talked before about the governing authorities and those who come after us and those that are really enemies of the cross.
SPEAKER_07: They have no fear of God or they wouldn't do what they do.
SPEAKER_07: While we're in this world, while I'm following Jesus Christ, I'm not in heaven.
SPEAKER_07: So I don't have that full peace and that full joy, correct?
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I mean that's kind of obvious.
SPEAKER_07: So, what is it in this world that God is saying in Psalm 86, 11, that I may fear you?
SPEAKER_07: It's when we have an impure heart that we don't fear.
SPEAKER_07: When we're in our hearts and we're thinking about, let's say, lustful thoughts or things of this world, or whatever it is that we're after, our heart is divided.
SPEAKER_07: We on the one hand, you know, we say we want God, then the other hand, our heart loves our car or our loves loves, you know, sitting on the front porch or whatever, those minor, and I'm saying minor in quotes, all those other things that cloud out our heart.
SPEAKER_07: There's no fear of God.
SPEAKER_07: It's not like, well, let's pick the one like you go to what do they call it?
SPEAKER_07: Tailgate party when you go to a football, a sporting event, and everybody sits on the back of the pickup truck and do barbecues and stuff.
Jacob: I've never been to one in my life, but yes, it's a big, big thing.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, me either.
SPEAKER_07: So you're thinking about, oh, I'm gonna go to the game, or I'm gonna sit on the back of the pickup truck, or my front porch, or what whatever our little pleasures like our hearts are all divided up into all these things.
SPEAKER_07: That's why in the psalmist that'll go on to say in Psalms 119, though I continually take my life in my own hands, do not desert me.
SPEAKER_07: What happens is when we don't have a heart that is as centered and pure and undivided, we don't fear God.
SPEAKER_07: Otherwise, we wouldn't do or think or say the things that we do.
SPEAKER_07: We'd be slow to speak and quick to listen, wouldn't we?
SPEAKER_07: That's just one example.
SPEAKER_07: If I walk in the fear of the Lord, if I if I fear his name, I'm going to be very careful about what I say and don't say.
SPEAKER_07: Now, my main point here is well, who prays this?
SPEAKER_07: Who wants this?
SPEAKER_07: Do you see this plaque up in a Christian bookstore or in people that claim to be Christians?
SPEAKER_07: Or how often is the term time you've heard people actually talk about growing in the fear of the Lord?
SPEAKER_07: Uh uh rare to never.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, more like never to rare kind of routine, I hear you.
SPEAKER_07: Sure.
SPEAKER_07: Well, why all of this is important is we're going to look at Justin Bieber and what's going on there.
SPEAKER_07: There's clearly no fear of God because when you see these people talk, and there's a whole bunch of them, is it's all about mercy and it's all about misunderstanding grace, and it's all about the peace, and he died for me.
SPEAKER_07: It says if you can do all these things, but the one thing that is missing is the fear of the Lord.
SPEAKER_07: Otherwise, you wouldn't be doing the things that you're doing.
SPEAKER_07: And it's out of this fear.
SPEAKER_07: Read Psalms 86, 12, and 13.
SPEAKER_07: What comes from an undivided heart?
SPEAKER_07: What comes from having that fear of his name?
SPEAKER_07: Because right now, the name of Jesus Christ is not held in high honor among Christians, among those who claim to be Christian.
SPEAKER_07: There's there's no fear of taking his name upon our lips.
SPEAKER_07: Read verses 12 and 13.
Work Out Salvation With Fear And Trembling
Jacob: I will praise you, O Lord my God, with all my heart.
Jacob: I will glorify your name forever, for great is your love toward me, you have delivered me from the depths of the grave.
SPEAKER_07: Because of these superficial white warsh, smiling jack Jesus gospels, verse 13 says, You have delivered me from the depths of the grave.
SPEAKER_07: Who's who senses that?
SPEAKER_07: Who comes away from their baptism experience or they're asking Jesus in their heart or signing the back of the Bible, or whatever it is that people have to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior?
SPEAKER_07: A sense of, I have been delivered from the depths of the grave.
SPEAKER_07: Well, the reason we don't sense that, and the reason we don't have that in our heart, is because we're not fearful of his name.
SPEAKER_07: We have an undivided heart.
SPEAKER_07: He just comes to us with mercy, grace, and all the things that people tell us, and we accept that.
SPEAKER_07: And because of that, our praise is at best shallow, and we don't really have look at verse 13, for great is your love toward me.
SPEAKER_07: You're only going to feel that love towards you to the degree that you allow the fear of his name to enter in your heart.
SPEAKER_07: How could it be otherwise?
SPEAKER_07: How can a person say, Well, I've been forgiven of so many sins, and they have very little sense of any sin?
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: You're going to see this in Justin Bieber as we look at it.
SPEAKER_07: Look at the life he lives and the example he has and the people that quote unquote minister to him.
SPEAKER_07: Clearly he hasn't been delivered from sin, so there is no fear of taking the name of Jesus Christ upon his lips.
SPEAKER_07: Philippians 2.12.
SPEAKER_07: We know it well, but let's go ahead, Jacob, and you read Philippians 2.12, and let's let's dig into this a little bit as we begin to prepare ourselves to talk about Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER_07: Philippians 2.12.
SPEAKER_07: Go ahead and read that when you get there.
Jacob: Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
SPEAKER_07: When I preached many years ago in a and it was for a very short period of time in an actual church building in a in a real congregation in the normal sense of the word, um it was always kind of a joke that I'm going to come visit somebody's house, and then they start cleaning up their house and you know, making sure there's nothing out that's incriminating and that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_07: Obedience really wasn't the thing that ever comes to mind.
SPEAKER_07: But look at what he says in verse 12.
SPEAKER_07: Therefore, my dear friends, this is all wrapped in love.
SPEAKER_07: But today's gospel is if you mention anything about obedience, you're obviously a cult and a cult leader, and uh if you are in Washington State, King County prosecutors, I know for sure will come for you, as you have always obeyed.
SPEAKER_07: So the gospel begins with obedience, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: And then he goes on to say, not only in my presence, because people will put on the like the show, it's it's kind of natural.
SPEAKER_07: Uh, you know, uh dad's home.
SPEAKER_07: Well, let me say, it used to be natural when dad was home, people would be on decent behavior.
SPEAKER_07: But what Paul says about these people is, but now much more in my absence.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, what a love they had for God.
SPEAKER_07: Clearly, the word of God, the name of the Lord was held in high honor because when he wasn't around, they obeyed more.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, whoever heard of such a thing?
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: Uh, do you get that sense of any church that you've attended or whatever, that when the pastor's not there or the sermon's not going, there's more obedience than if he was there?
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: It's kind of ironic, you know, about the whole cult thing about being accused of an occult that somehow you're controlling.
SPEAKER_07: I'm only around when I was in a church.
SPEAKER_07: There is no church, there is no ministry to join, I'm not taking up a collection, I'm not even trying to start a movement.
SPEAKER_07: This is about your walk with God on your personal level, and I'm not even in a position where I could even offer the fellowship that used to be.
SPEAKER_07: But how much more in my absence?
SPEAKER_07: So I turn my back, I walk away, and they're more obedient than when I was there?
SPEAKER_07: That that's rare.
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
SPEAKER_07: All right, so what's wrapped up in all this?
SPEAKER_07: Go ahead and read the last part of this again.
Jacob: Continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
SPEAKER_07: So we're right back to Psalm 86.11.
SPEAKER_07: An undivided heart fears the name of the Lord and fears the Lord.
SPEAKER_07: Then we have Philippians 2.12.
SPEAKER_07: Work out your salvation with fear.
SPEAKER_07: You know, if I use the word work out, then of course I'm a heretic because what am I preaching?
SPEAKER_07: But salvation by works.
SPEAKER_07: Work out your salvation with fear, not just work out your salvation for blessing.
SPEAKER_07: We're not, we're not in, we're in a world of serious battle and warfare against sin in our own life, again, the need for purity in our own hearts.
SPEAKER_07: Man, who on the battlefield, it's the rare soldier that is not afraid to be out there.
SPEAKER_07: In fact, they'll talk about that if you've looked at some history of warfare and talked to people.
SPEAKER_07: Everybody was afraid, whether they wanted to admit it or not.
SPEAKER_07: And usually the pretense went away.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, the good soldier fights in spite of his fear, and that's really what we're talking about here.
SPEAKER_07: Um, as I get older in the Lord and I get closer to coming to Jesus Christ, and I begin to know him better, the fear increases, and the fear is more pure and more holy, and the need to be obedient increases because all of that harvest of righteousness begins to come together.
SPEAKER_07: Continue to work out your salvation with fear and not just fear, but what does it say, Jacob?
Jacob: Fear and trembling.
SPEAKER_07: I do you see any trembling going on, let alone fear?
SPEAKER_07: No.
Bieber’s Stage Clip And Reaction
SPEAKER_07: Let's play the Justin Bieber clip here, and you will notice all the things that we just talked about up above are completely and totally missing.
SPEAKER_03: Justin Bieber said what on stage?
SPEAKER_03: Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_03: Alright, I'm still processing this.
SPEAKER_03: You won't believe what he says and the reaction of the crowd.
SPEAKER_08: I gotta tell you something, man.
SPEAKER_08: I met this person unlike any other person in the whole wide universe.
SPEAKER_08: This person did the ultimate happen for me.
SPEAKER_08: He took my sin, he took my shame.
SPEAKER_08: He went to the cross, he took my name.
SPEAKER_08: This man's name is Jesus.
SPEAKER_08: This man runs on the third day.
SPEAKER_08: I've never met a man like Jesus.
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, look at this, look at this.
SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
SPEAKER_04: Oh, don't say Jesus.
SPEAKER_04: Oh no, the demons inside of me can't handle it.
SPEAKER_04: Oh, too bad.
SPEAKER_04: Jesus is king.
SPEAKER_04: Amen, Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
SPEAKER_07: Alright, Jacob.
SPEAKER_07: Any response?
SPEAKER_07: Let's go.
Jacob: Uh I'm joking, obviously.
Jacob: Yes, of course.
Jacob: Yeah, yeah.
Jacob: There's yeah, there's a lot you can break down with what's wrong with this picture.
Jacob: And uh it's all about Justin Bieber, though.
Jacob: It's not about Jesus.
Jacob: You know, he met him and he took away his pain and he and he you know took away my sin, blah, blah, blah.
Jacob: By the way, it never even says like thank you.
Jacob: What about you know, like the one leopard who comes back and thanks Jesus?
Jacob: I I don't know.
Jacob: You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_07: No, well, there's a lot here.
SPEAKER_07: Number one, yeah, there's so many problems.
SPEAKER_07: He called him a man.
Jacob: Yeah, this is yeah, yeah.
Jacob: Oh, yeah, that's true.
Jacob: I know.
Jacob: There's like ugh.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's like again, there's no fear of he's not a man, he's God incarnate to deliver you from sin.
SPEAKER_07: And then there's the melodrama of this guy.
SPEAKER_07: This is not unusual.
SPEAKER_07: This is not to pick on him.
SPEAKER_07: Uh uh YouTube is loading.
SPEAKER_07: With the guy, the guy, the guy doing the inner look, and it's all melodrama.
SPEAKER_07: You'd think you'd want to go with little girls out in the con the uh concert going, ooh, Justin Bieber.
Jacob: It's a mess.
Jacob: Yeah, yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_07: So, all right.
SPEAKER_07: Um, any thoughts?
SPEAKER_07: Well, I gather my thoughts with it because when I first saw that, it obviously I decided like, okay, let's do a podcast.
SPEAKER_07: This is this is so far out there that it just takes my breath away and it's it starts fumbling over words just like I'm doing now.
SPEAKER_07: Like, how do I begin to to communicate just how wicked and bad this is?
SPEAKER_07: First of all, this is an absolutely whatever happened to the scripture about your fruits, you'll know them.
SPEAKER_07: Is there anything about the Justin Bieber life that goes good fruit?
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: James 2 19 says, Don't go to it.
SPEAKER_07: We've talked about before, you believe there is one God, good, even the demons believe that and shudder.
SPEAKER_07: That's all we're looking at.
SPEAKER_07: It's the walk coming to Jesus Christ, walking with Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_07: There is no respect for the word of God, even though they keep saying the word of God.
SPEAKER_07: And we want Justin Beaver's acknowledgement that Jesus Christ is good.
SPEAKER_07: Why would we want Justin Bieber?
SPEAKER_07: The amount of destruction he has done upon, well, mostly girls, and we'll get into this in a moment, and his lifestyle and who he is and who he was taught by everything about this man's life is a disaster, and he's still in the disaster, right?
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, you're not even doing him any this this kind of video, even if it were there is nothing true about what's going on here.
SPEAKER_07: His life is a complete mess.
SPEAKER_07: Why would you encourage him on stage to stand up and say, I met this man who took away my shame?
SPEAKER_07: All this really is a saying is I can do whatever I want, and he took away my shame.
SPEAKER_07: I can be disobedient, I can sin, I can believe what I want, I can throw things whatever the antics of what he is doing, has done, and grown into are absurd.
SPEAKER_07: Of course, that's part of his quote unquote fame.
SPEAKER_07: Anything on that in particular, Jacob?
Jacob: No, but uh, you know, you had made the point earlier.
Jacob: I mean, yeah, he doesn't even use like the watered down, you know, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
Jacob: He doesn't even say those words.
Jacob: Like that, that, you know, he it's like Yeah.
Jacob: It's almost it's shocking how and like you said, it's actually it's bad, but even His viewpoint, or like this guy who's interviewing the video, or you know, talking about this video, like and he thinks it's a good thing.
Jacob: Like, can you water it down even more?
Jacob: It's it's so watered down, it's yeah, what's what's the next level?
Jacob: This is like the watered down.
SPEAKER_07: I think this is the bottom.
Jacob: Jesus the guy's wearing a cross from video.
Jacob: I know, yeah.
Jacob: I I don't know.
Jacob: Well, I didn't think it could get any any more watered down, you know.
Jacob: Oh, the my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Fruits, Confession, And Demonic Deception
Jacob: But as you pointed out, he doesn't even say he just calls him a man and that his name is Jesus.
Jacob: He doesn't even at any way uh, you know, I think the church crowd would be like, you know, the sovereignty of the Lord.
Jacob: Like he doesn't even that's not even there.
Jacob: Let alone the fear.
Jacob: There's not even like a respect.
SPEAKER_07: And and then the whole false premise about uh that look look at the demons responding to these girls.
Jacob: Yeah, I didn't see anything unusual there.
Jacob: Did you?
Jacob: Uh no.
Jacob: If we want to go look, I think did he think we'll play it again.
SPEAKER_07: We'll play it again here in a moment.
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
SPEAKER_07: I'm going, oh really?
SPEAKER_07: I yeah, I heard a bunch of demons screaming and being cast out.
SPEAKER_07: That's like, no, they were like going, this is the if anything, the reaction was this is out of place.
SPEAKER_07: I and why is he even bringing up Jesus?
SPEAKER_07: I I Oh, yeah, they're annoyed because spiritual battle.
Jacob: They they came there to see Justin Bieber.
Jacob: They're just annoyed, like, what's this Jesus stuff?
Jacob: We want to see Justin Bieber play.
Jacob: But yeah, you go look at Jesus casting out demons, and I think it's a lot different.
SPEAKER_07: I I would think so.
SPEAKER_07: Let's play it again and then they'll go a little bit deeper into what's going on here.
SPEAKER_03: Justin Bieber said what on stage?
SPEAKER_03: Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_03: Alright, I'm still processing this.
SPEAKER_03: You won't believe what he says and the reaction of the crowd.
SPEAKER_08: I gotta tell you something, man.
SPEAKER_08: I met this person unlike any other person in the whole wide universe.
SPEAKER_08: This person did the ultimate happy for me.
SPEAKER_08: He took my city, he took my shame.
SPEAKER_08: He went to the comments.
SPEAKER_08: He took my kids.
SPEAKER_08: This man's name is Jesus.
SPEAKER_08: This man comes on the third day.
SPEAKER_08: I've never met a man like Jesus.
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, look at this, look at this.
SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
SPEAKER_04: Oh, don't say Jesus.
SPEAKER_04: Oh no, the demons inside of me can't handle it.
SPEAKER_04: Oh, too bad.
SPEAKER_04: Jesus is king.
SPEAKER_04: Amen, Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
SPEAKER_07: Uh those girls were just sitting there.
SPEAKER_07: I I one delusion leads to another.
SPEAKER_07: It reminds me, and we we won't have time to read it, but if you go to Acts chapter 16, verse 16, there was a girl who told the future by a demon confirming that what Paul was preaching was the way to be saved.
SPEAKER_07: That's literally what was going on.
SPEAKER_07: Poor Justin Bieber is not a Christian, and he's Satan has still got his hooks in him, even to the point of now he's using the man named Jesus that he met that took away his shame.
SPEAKER_07: Comment?
SPEAKER_07: Uh no.
SPEAKER_07: All right, let's go to 1 Timothy chapter 4, verse 1.
SPEAKER_07: Because I think we hammered that almost to death.
SPEAKER_07: 1 Timothy chapter 4, verse 1.
SPEAKER_07: This is what's going on, and because the next step is you've got a whole group of people accepting Jesus as a man, took away my shame.
SPEAKER_07: You can't get much more watered down than this.
SPEAKER_07: What's next is, and it's setting the stage for the multiple antichrists that come along that are doing miracles and powerful things.
SPEAKER_07: So you're going to have this teaching, this quasi statement that, well, Jesus was a man like us, or an alien, or however you want to word it, but the divinity is kind of taken, or it's worded in such a way that we can all be divine and do all these miracles, and that Jesus came and is making a way for that to happen.
SPEAKER_07: Am I making sense here that that's the next level that's watered down, and you're way you're into muddy water at that point.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: Okay, you go ahead and read 1 Timothy chapter 4, verse 1, because this is exactly what's going on.
Jacob: This is what's going down.
Jacob: The spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
SPEAKER_07: Verse 1 again of 1 Timothy 4 says, the Spirit clearly says this is not a parable, it's not abstract ideas, it's not a suggestion.
SPEAKER_07: The spirit clearly says can't get much clearer than what we just saw, that in later times some will abandon the faith.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's an understatement, and follow what?
SPEAKER_07: Deceiving spirits.
SPEAKER_07: It's deceptive.
SPEAKER_07: This this man that's going, go, Justin Beaver, is deceived.
SPEAKER_07: Justin Beaver is deceived.
Hillsong, Lentz, And Shallow Grace
SPEAKER_07: And things taught by demons that Jesus is this man and Jesus is this person, and I met him, and he's with me, and I can do all these bad things, right?
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: Amen, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_07: Amen.
SPEAKER_07: All right, let's do a little go ahead.
SPEAKER_07: Let's do a little background here and go ahead and play.
SPEAKER_07: This is just information's sake, kind of setting the stage of who Justin Bieber is, and we'll get into a little more detail.
SPEAKER_07: I'm not necessarily going to dis dissect this altogether, but it gives us an idea and a flavor, really an unsavory flavor of who Justin Bieber is and what's going on.
SPEAKER_01: Justin Bieber, a global pop phenomenon since his debut in 2009, has a vast and dedicated fan base known as Beliebers.
SPEAKER_01: Current fan discussions indicate that a significant portion of his fan base is now in their twenties, with approximately 70% reportedly over the age of twenty-five.
SPEAKER_01: This reflects the aging of his original fan base, who grew up with him since his teenage years.
SPEAKER_01: Historically, Bieber's fandom was perceived as predominantly young and female, a common trend for teen pop idols.
SPEAKER_01: However, recent discussions acknowledge that men also enjoy his music, challenging earlier stereotypes.
SPEAKER_01: Despite interest in gender demographics, there is a notable lack of recent, reliable surveys confirming exact ratios.
SPEAKER_01: His massive online presence underscores his reach.
SPEAKER_01: As of 2022, he had over 255 million Instagram followers and 114 million Twitter followers.
SPEAKER_01: On Spotify, he boasts over 113.6 million monthly listeners.
SPEAKER_01: Fan engagement remains strong on platforms like TikTok and Reddit, where users share personal connections to his music, nostalgic experiences, and reactions to new releases.
SPEAKER_01: His music appeals across genres, including pop, RB, Tropical House, and Reggaeton, contributing to a diverse and enduring audience.
SPEAKER_01: The most specific data available suggests that his audience is still predominantly female.
SPEAKER_01: One source cites a gender ratio of 74% female to 27% male.
SPEAKER_01: A 2013 Pew Research Center study found his fans were primarily female and aged 12 to 17.
SPEAKER_01: However, there is a notable lack of recent, comprehensive surveys confirming exact current ratios.
SPEAKER_01: His fan base has aged alongside him, with discussions indicating a significant portion is now in their twenties.
SPEAKER_01: While the core audience remains largely female, there is increasing acknowledgement of male fans, challenging earlier stereotypes.
SPEAKER_01: Therefore, it is accurate to say his main followers are still mostly women, but the audience has diversified in both age and gender over the past decade.
SPEAKER_01: Carl Lenz is an American podcaster and former pastor who served as the lead pastor of Hillsong NYC until November 4, 2020, when he was fired by Hillsong Global Pastor Brian Houston for leadership issues and breaches of trust, plus a recent revelation of moral failures.
SPEAKER_01: He was a prominent spiritual advisor to celebrities, most notably Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER_01: Lenz played a pivotal role in bringing Hillsong Church to the United States, launching its first U.S.
SPEAKER_01: location in New York City in 2010.
SPEAKER_01: He grew up in Virginia and attended North Carolina State University before becoming involved with Hillsong in Australia, where he met his wife Laura and church founder Brian Houston.
SPEAKER_01: In November 2020, Lentz admitted to being unfaithful in his marriage, which led to his termination from Hillsong.
SPEAKER_01: Justin Bieber publicly embraced Christianity around 2014, was baptized by Hillsong pastor Carl Lentz, and has frequently discussed his faith, particularly on his 2015 album Purpose, where he addressed his relationship with God.
SPEAKER_01: Despite this, his music has continued to include sexually suggestive lyrics.
SPEAKER_01: Songs like Peaches and Yummy contain overtly sensual themes, leading critics to describe his work as a God-fearing hypersexual slog.
SPEAKER_01: This duality persists in later projects.
SPEAKER_01: Even his gospel-inspired 2021 EP Freedom features explicit language in several tracks.
SPEAKER_01: His two Thai 25 albums, Swag and Swag Two, further reflect this contradiction, blending worshipful elements with chaotic, sexually charged content.
SPEAKER_01: Bieber himself has acknowledged the internal struggle, referencing Jesus' teaching that lusting after someone is akin to adultery, indicating an awareness of the tension between his faith and desires.
Ephesians 5 And No Hint Of Impurity
SPEAKER_07: There's a lot there.
SPEAKER_07: Any quick takes on that, Jacob?
Jacob: Uh I actually didn't know much about Justin Bieber, nor do I listen to his music, so I did not know how bad he was.
Jacob: In a very short, you know, I didn't even I didn't know sexually over desert or hyper sexual slog.
Jacob: I mean, I I didn't I didn't even know.
Jacob: I don't listen to his music.
Jacob: I didn't even know.
SPEAKER_07: I don't even know what slog means.
SPEAKER_07: I guess it means like just this yuck that just kind of comes out.
Jacob: I didn't bother to look it up.
Jacob: I don't really know either, but yeah, this just this this constant presence, constant theme.
SPEAKER_07: I didn't realize either.
SPEAKER_07: I was like you.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, Joseph Iwer was not my top ten walking around the day listened to kind of routine.
SPEAKER_07: Um I caught this YouTube thing and then I'm gonna I mean you knew it was bad, whatever.
SPEAKER_07: It's like when Christians come out and go, uh, let's see, yeah, uh there's the pyramid on the dollar bill, and everybody acts like that's some big revelation about that Satan's in control.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: What is amazing to me is the number of following that's going on.
SPEAKER_07: That when he's saying I met this man Jesus and he took away my shame, and I can sit up here and play the piano, and my life can be because really what it spells is the impurity where Ephesians says those who are impure have no inheritance in Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_07: We're talking, again, let me repeat those numbers.
SPEAKER_07: As of 2022, he had over 255 million Instagram followers.
SPEAKER_07: It's just Instagram, uh hundred and fourteen million Twitter followers and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER_07: You get the idea, we're not talking minor numbers here at this point.
SPEAKER_07: Um and then most of them are female.
SPEAKER_07: 75% is that's the bottom line, right?
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: Uh that that like him.
SPEAKER_07: Um actually, I'm gonna disagree with it.
SPEAKER_07: I think it's a hundred percent female.
SPEAKER_07: Because I think the part 47% are male are girly men.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, again.
SPEAKER_07: Men have been so water.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, all right, Justin Beaver does not come across as a manly man, all right?
SPEAKER_07: No, no.
SPEAKER_07: Uh and that's not who he and and any guy going into a Justin Beaver concert or what's her name, Taylor Swift or whatever, that they're not real men.
SPEAKER_07: There's nothing macho uh or you know, macho sounds like over the top.
SPEAKER_07: There's no let's just say they're they're not normal men.
SPEAKER_07: They're all feminine men to sing these songs.
Jacob: Go ahead.
Jacob: No, I was just they're flexible feminine men.
Jacob: I can't even say it right, but they're like, yeah, they're not real men.
Jacob: They're feminine.
Jacob: They are like women.
SPEAKER_07: You you correct.
SPEAKER_07: Uh in fact, you can't really even be a man man anymore without the authorities coming in on you.
SPEAKER_07: Well, but that's a whole different subtopic subtopic.
SPEAKER_07: Um, again, he claims to Jesus Christ, but his songs, as as we would expect, uh are full of all kinds of sexual, sensual themes.
SPEAKER_07: Well, I thought he became a Christian.
SPEAKER_07: And according to Christianity, obedience and righteousness and holiness, you wouldn't expect sexual type or even sensual type stuff in his music.
SPEAKER_07: In fact, he wouldn't be doing what he's doing if he was actually godly.
SPEAKER_07: But what else can you expect when the pastor that brought him to the Lord?
SPEAKER_07: And I'm putting that in quotes because I don't, I don't know, maybe he was baptized, which really doesn't mean anything.
SPEAKER_07: If the doctrine's not correct, you can be water baptized and you're just taking a bath.
SPEAKER_07: There's just nothing different about it.
SPEAKER_07: The Hillsong Church itself is a complete mess.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, think about it.
SPEAKER_07: With Sound Doctrine Church, Jacob, they had to make up accusations out of lies.
SPEAKER_07: Remember when they came in to prosecute and do their slander, all of it had to be made up.
SPEAKER_07: That's true, righteousness, and holiness because it's false accusations.
SPEAKER_07: In the Hillsong Church, in terms of the sexual thing and all that's going on, well, that's who the pastor is, that's who the leaders are.
SPEAKER_07: And this is what came out on the surface.
SPEAKER_07: No telling what's underneath it.
SPEAKER_07: You got to realize that by the time these guys get caught, and usually that's when they come to, oh, I need grace, I need forgiveness, because they've been caught, or the affair has outlived the darkness, and you can't really go any deeper with it without being exposed.
SPEAKER_07: So all of a sudden, it's very within their self-interest to begin to say, oh, I failed, I have leadership issues, I'm going to do things.
SPEAKER_07: They never quite give up the ministry.
SPEAKER_07: As you you can tell, the guy went on to do uh Lynch, I think his name has his own still podcast.
SPEAKER_07: And he goes, I don't like to really focus in on all those things because it takes away from God's grace and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, they have their whitewash.
SPEAKER_07: Uh nothing's changed.
SPEAKER_07: There's no fear of God, there's no holy respect for the Lord himself.
SPEAKER_07: He's just a man.
SPEAKER_07: And whether or not the Hillsong Church calls Jesus a man or not, they treat him as if he is.
SPEAKER_07: There's no fear and trembling about that.
SPEAKER_07: Anything on that, Jacob?
Jacob: No.
SPEAKER_07: All right.
SPEAKER_07: Well, let's go to the next scripture then and compare this to Justin Beaver and those that I mean, there it's possible that a lot of those girls or the the guys referring to, they claim to be Christians and really know they shouldn't be there.
SPEAKER_07: And so the look on their faces like, yeah, this isn't good, but I'm here anyway.
SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
SPEAKER_07: Um The main point here is he's t attacking the Justin Beaver is attacking and using the sensuality of mostly girls and girly men in order to promote himself and to bring in the money.
SPEAKER_07: Read Ephesians five, three through seven, or let's play it and look at this, and then I want to discuss a few particular words.
SPEAKER_01: Ephesians chapter five, three through seven.
SPEAKER_01: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people, nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_01: For of this you can be sure, no immoral, impure, or greedy person, such a man is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
SPEAKER_01: Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
SPEAKER_01: Therefore do not be partners with them.
SPEAKER_07: All right, Jacob, any quick comments before I kind of dive in on a few basic things?
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
SPEAKER_07: But among you but among you, Justin Beaver and his followers, there must not even be a hint, a hint of sexual morality.
SPEAKER_07: You'd have to make up anything with Justin Beaver if he were a Christian, right?
SPEAKER_07: Because there sure wouldn't there wouldn't be a hint.
SPEAKER_07: You literally, again, when King County prosecutors of Seattle, Washington decided to engage and enhance a hate crime, they had to invent out of whole cloth their accusation because there was not even a hint of sexual immorality.
SPEAKER_07: Everything had to be twisted up and perverted in order to achieve their goals.
SPEAKER_07: There must not even be a hint of sexual immorality.
SPEAKER_07: Not a hint.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I I keep repeating it, but where's the fear and trembling, the respect for God's word?
SPEAKER_07: There shouldn't be a hint.
SPEAKER_07: I guarantee you, if I'd have walked Among the Hill Song Church in its earlier stages, there would have been hints of sexual immorality all over the place.
Do Not Be Partners With Them
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: There shouldn't be any hint of greed.
SPEAKER_07: I we don't have time to break this down totally, but Justin Bieber's worth like$300 million.
SPEAKER_07: Is there anything about his life that doesn't spell greed or self-centers?
SPEAKER_07: I, you know, is he giving away let's just go out two-thirds of it.
SPEAKER_07: $200 million to the message of the cross.
SPEAKER_07: I don't want him just giving the thing away.
SPEAKER_07: Uh it's not a question, there's not even in the neighborhood, right?
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, is not his life full of greed and money and success and praise and applaud?
SPEAKER_07: And by the way, Jesus said in Luke 6 26, Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is our fathers treated the false prophets.
SPEAKER_07: You see, Justin Bieber has gone from being just a singer doing the sensual things that they do, into being a false prophet now.
SPEAKER_07: That's where he's at.
SPEAKER_07: Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk.
SPEAKER_07: Well, the songs are nothing more than foolish talk or course joking, which are out of place.
SPEAKER_07: For of this you can be sure, Ephesians 5 says you can be sure of this.
SPEAKER_07: Underline it, highlight it.
SPEAKER_07: This there's not a question about the guy in this video.
SPEAKER_07: You can be sure that no immoral, and can we pretty much agree that Justin Beaver is immoral?
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: All right, no immoral.
SPEAKER_07: Impure.
SPEAKER_07: Is there any anything?
SPEAKER_07: Let me let me calm down.
SPEAKER_07: Is there anything about the Justin Beaver live that spells purity?
SPEAKER_07: There is uh absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_07: Or greedy person.
SPEAKER_07: Again, just all you gotta do is take the impure factor.
SPEAKER_07: It says they don't have any, like in zero, have any.
SPEAKER_07: Inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
SPEAKER_07: There is nothing about Justin Bieber and his life that A, Jesus needs his recommendation that he's a man, and number two, that Justin Bieber is going to go to heaven.
SPEAKER_07: There's nothing there, nor his followers, nor those who support him, nor those who go to the concerts, nor the Christian parents that allow their, and I'm going to say girly or girly men to go to these converts.
SPEAKER_07: Any inheritance in the kingdom of God is like zero.
SPEAKER_07: If you participate in this impurity on this kind of level, you can be sure you are not going to heaven.
SPEAKER_07: You're going to be held up as an example of wrath and judgment.
SPEAKER_07: Don't be deceived by Justin Beaver.
SPEAKER_07: Don't be deceived by this guy in the YouTube video.
SPEAKER_07: Go for it, Justin.
SPEAKER_07: Go for it.
SPEAKER_07: Look at the demon scream.
SPEAKER_07: Let no one deceive you with empty words.
SPEAKER_07: It was all just empty words without meaning.
SPEAKER_07: For because of such things, of who Justin Beaver is and everything that he is, and the Hillsong Church and all they allow, and they're picking and choosing of what scriptures to live or not live, and just preaching even the word of God in terms of with worldly wisdom and outlines and programs and psychology, and we'll put this together and we'll do this little Bible study and we'll have our barbecues for let no one deceive you with empty words.
SPEAKER_07: So much of what is considered preaching, even if it's quoting scripture, is nothing more than empty words.
SPEAKER_07: For because of such things, such things of everything that we're looking at here today, God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
SPEAKER_07: How much clearer can God be?
SPEAKER_07: Now, what is supposed to be a response?
SPEAKER_07: You know, I always I always hated it.
SPEAKER_07: Well, I hate's probably a strong word.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, but I always hated it when I first became a Christian because the preacher would preach and say, and he'd read the word of God.
SPEAKER_07: And again, nothing wrong particularly with that, but they never talked how to be obedient or what to do about it.
SPEAKER_07: This podcast is not about, well, let's gain some knowledge about how bad Justin Beaver is.
SPEAKER_07: Or, you know, let's gain some knowledge over here about the obvious things that this is unclean and unholy.
SPEAKER_07: It's about obedience.
SPEAKER_07: Well, what should we do about Justin Beaver?
SPEAKER_07: And what should we do about the man doing the YouTube video?
SPEAKER_07: What should be our response as disciples of Jesus Christ?
SPEAKER_07: Well, let's look at the very last part of Ephesians 5, verse 7, because it tells us what to do.
SPEAKER_07: This is about obedience by picking up our cross, following the Holy Spirit, and walking that very narrow road that many times you have to walk alone.
SPEAKER_07: It says what?
SPEAKER_07: Therefore.
SPEAKER_07: So he's concluding this whole writing, this whole paragraph, and he says, I'll tell you what, therefore, because of all these things, do not be partners with them.
SPEAKER_07: Shouldn't fellowship with them at all.
SPEAKER_07: Shouldn't be going to the church, shouldn't be having any type of thing that says, okay, I'm associating with Justin Beaver, these people, or whatever.
SPEAKER_07: You know, there's a magazine called Christianity Today, which has been one of the I I've watched it for a long, long, long time.
SPEAKER_07: They are enemies of the cross of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_07: They preach a very worldly gospel.
SPEAKER_07: They're actually, when you see a Justin Beaver and you see how bad they are, Christianity Today has that's the yeast of the Pharisees, or really they were more Sadducees, spreading through over the decades that I've watched this take place.
SPEAKER_07: And we have a Justin Beaver because of Christianity Today.
SPEAKER_07: And of course, you can keep going back further.
SPEAKER_07: I'm just giving you my time frame.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: There's nothing in the Christianity today magazine that says, okay, these are the people we should not associate with.
SPEAKER_07: But isn't that a good part of what Scripture says?
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: It's not just who we fellowship with, it's also who we don't fellowship with that is crucial.
SPEAKER_07: The both go hand in hand.
SPEAKER_07: Is there anything on any of the quote Christian websites or the conservative Christian websites that have a little corner down in there that says, you know, we shouldn't be associated at all with these people?
SPEAKER_07: No, there's none of that.
SPEAKER_04: No.
SPEAKER_07: All right.
SPEAKER_07: Phrase it in another way.
Judge Inside The Church
SPEAKER_07: Play the next scripture, 1 Corinthians 5, 11 through 12.
SPEAKER_07: And this would have to actually start in your church.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, uh, Justin Beaver's kind of easy.
SPEAKER_07: Like, well, don't go to the concert.
SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_07: Uh okay, I'm not going to go to the concert.
SPEAKER_07: I'm not going to spend the money.
SPEAKER_07: I wonder what it costs to go to one of his concerts now.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, doing it.
Jacob: It may not be as popular as was.
Jacob: If if the if he has an arena, oh, it's it's expensive, the tickets.
Jacob: Anyways, he's still a big deal as far as that goes.
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
SPEAKER_07: And then you have to drive, you have to show up, you have to travel, uh, the emotional toll.
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
SPEAKER_07: First Corinthians 5, 11 through 12.
SPEAKER_07: Where is this within the church?
SPEAKER_07: That's why I'm never impressed with, oh, revival's broken out.
SPEAKER_07: Revival's increased 43%.
SPEAKER_07: In fact, I had the notes, but we don't have time to go into today.
SPEAKER_07: There's no revival happening.
SPEAKER_07: Revival involves not only fellowshipping with those who love Jesus Christ, but not fellowshipping with people that are playing the game.
SPEAKER_07: First Corinthians five, eleven through twelve.
SPEAKER_07: Play it, Jacob.
SPEAKER_01: First Corinthians chapter five, eleven through twelve.
SPEAKER_01: But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
SPEAKER_01: With such a man, do not even eat.
SPEAKER_01: What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?
SPEAKER_01: Are you not to judge those inside?
SPEAKER_07: Alrighty, Jacob, I'm not going to hammer this too much.
SPEAKER_07: It's kind of clear what it's saying.
SPEAKER_07: Uh do you see it lived out on any level?
SPEAKER_07: No, I don't see it lived out at all.
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: In fact, uh the Hillsong pastor that fell into the sins and all the things he went on, he, you know, he's able he got fired.
SPEAKER_07: Uh whoopdy doo.
SPEAKER_07: He became an embarrassment to the church, not because of uh they were being righteous or holy, so he went out and started his own podcast.
SPEAKER_07: People flocked to him and listened to it.
SPEAKER_07: He probably has more listeners than I do, uh, which which is not hard to do.
SPEAKER_07: Um so I'm not gonna hammer this too much for it.
SPEAKER_07: Jacob, is there anything you wanted to say about this, though?
SPEAKER_07: Because I don't I don't want to go too fast.
SPEAKER_07: I'm I'm too familiar with the scripture.
SPEAKER_07: It it's very clear what needs to happen, it's clear that it's not happening.
SPEAKER_07: I don't know what more to say on it.
Jacob: No, I I I think it's it's very clear.
Jacob: Anybody that uh thinks Justin Bieber is a brother in Christ uh really needs to uh listen to this podcast a couple times even and really sober up because it's it's super clear.
Jacob: The word of God is clear, and then it's clear when you watch him on stage that he is he's not a Christian at all.
SPEAKER_07: And here's a little sub note of anybody needs to do something, you suppose you got somebody that thinks, oh, this is all crazy, cult-like, whatever, you know, I disagree, and they still support Justin Beaver.
SPEAKER_07: Well, guess what?
SPEAKER_07: Your friends should not associate with you anymore.
SPEAKER_07: They shouldn't even have lunch with you.
SPEAKER_07: That's what scripture says.
SPEAKER_07: What business of mine to judge those outside the church?
SPEAKER_07: Are you not to judge those inside?
SPEAKER_07: Don't even have lunch, it says, with these kinds of people, if they're greedy, they're idolatry, or slander.
SPEAKER_07: Read the whole passage.
SPEAKER_07: I'm not going to tear it apart for you today because we need to go on to the next section.
SPEAKER_07: And let's just pretend for a moment that Justin Beaver has one one hundredth, let's see, let's even go higher, one one thousandth of percent of actually loving Jesus Christ and the Word of God and the Bible, and he kind of reads it.
SPEAKER_07: Um, let's just pretend that for a moment.
Teen Fandom, Emotion, And Influence
SPEAKER_07: How about that, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: You want to go there?
SPEAKER_07: Sure, we can pretend that.
SPEAKER_07: All right, so we know that most of his audience is girls, and actually the breakdown is 12-year-olds to 17-year-olds, which is an amazing young level of women.
SPEAKER_07: And by the way, as we play this next clip, I want people to understand and be very more not afraid, like we're talking about afraid of the word of God, but just be very afraid.
SPEAKER_07: These are women that will become judges, these are women that will become social workers, these are women that will become mothers and maybe wives.
SPEAKER_07: It's no wonder guys rightly are running for marriage like crazy.
SPEAKER_07: And, you know, this is the kind of thing that King County prosecutors of Seattle, Washington like to play to because women are notorious for being emotionally motivated to say and do things.
SPEAKER_07: Correct, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: Correct.
SPEAKER_07: Ever heard of the Salem witch hunt trials?
SPEAKER_07: I have.
SPEAKER_07: Ever heard of men doing what happened at the Salem witch hunt trials?
SPEAKER_07: Uh I do not recall specifically.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
SPEAKER_07: There aren't any men that do it.
SPEAKER_07: Men do it differently.
SPEAKER_07: Women lie.
SPEAKER_07: Women can be a scheme.
SPEAKER_07: That's right now there's a Hollywood person in trouble.
SPEAKER_07: And if you watch the the storyline, it changes over time.
SPEAKER_07: Because what the cops and the prosecutors do is since the statute of limitations have been totally stripped away, which in my mind is and legally is illegal like crazy, the the police are able to manipulate the storyline so the emotions take over the rationality of truth.
SPEAKER_07: But I'm off on a subtopic.
SPEAKER_07: Play the next scream, Jacob, because this is how women, 12-year-olds to 17 year olds, this is the kind if he Justin Beaver needs to be ashamed of the women that he has destroyed, not just even in his own personal life, but on a massive scale.
SPEAKER_07: Play the clip.
SPEAKER_07: Correct me if I'm wrong, but those girls didn't even look to be twelve years old.
Jacob: No, I I was maybe ten, maybe double digit numbers.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but the emotionally are very, very high.
SPEAKER_07: Play the next clip where you have twelve thousand five hundred young girls in Atlantic City emotionally destroyed by Justin Beaver.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, the young girls are not impressionable, are they, Jacob?
Jacob: No, not at all.
Jacob: I I don't it would be so loud in there.
Jacob: It would be so loud, like my ears almost hurt and I wasn't even there.
Jacob: You can like just feel the like on the courts.
SPEAKER_07: The girly men that are there.
SPEAKER_07: Why why why would any man with any level of testron in his system go sit here and go, oh, this is cool.
SPEAKER_07: I I cannot relate whatsoever.
Jacob: Yeah, I but even in the in the videos that you could see anybody near in the seats, there are no men.
Jacob: So I don't know, are that these may these are all like closeted people that like Justin Bieber or something?
Jacob: Because I I in at least in these couple clips, I saw zero men.
Jacob: I'm sure there's some there.
Jacob: I did not see them.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, there's actually, we don't have time for it.
SPEAKER_07: There's a Macy's commercial where there's a bunch of men working for Macy's and Justin Bieber's going through the various departments, like, can you point me to here?
SPEAKER_07: And they scream like girls.
SPEAKER_07: So everybody knows that this is a mocking situation, that these girls are crazy.
SPEAKER_07: And of course, again, you've got parents in there, you've got all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER_07: Nobody's being taught to keep their emotions and their imaginations under control.
SPEAKER_07: Goodness, the these girls are fantasizing about a relationship with Justin Beaver, what's going on, and we don't think for a moment that this doesn't translate into society in terms of false accusations or just women being unsound in mind and in thought.
SPEAKER_07: There's no thought of modesty and holiness and the kind of songs he's singing to him.
SPEAKER_07: I'll be here until long.
SPEAKER_07: This is kind of obvious what's going on, right?
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
Jacob: Yes, very obvious.
SPEAKER_09: Yo, I'm going to Macy's Black Friday sale.
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_09: It's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_09: It starts at midnight.
SPEAKER_09: Is this the right way?
SPEAKER_09: I'll take that as a yes.
SPEAKER_09: Yes, you're excited too.
SPEAKER_00: Get Justin Beaver's Sunday gift set, and we'll donate$2 to the Make a Wish Foundation only at Macy's.
SPEAKER_00: The Black Friday sale starts at midnight.
SPEAKER_07: So Justin Beaver, then we're talking about that 1% where Justin Beaver might actually be a Christian, or that 1% where he actually reads scripture.
SPEAKER_07: So we can take care of all this.
SPEAKER_07: Remember, he goes, Yeah, Jesus is a man, Jesus took care of my sins, Jesus took care of my shame, right?
SPEAKER_07: So he's talked about Jesus and the Word of God in the Bible, right?
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: All right, so what he should do with these 12,500 young girls or more that are all screaming, he should just simply quote a scripture.
Jacob: Wouldn't that be of benefit?
Jacob: If he actually read the entire scripture, it might barely help.
Jacob: Maybe.
SPEAKER_07: Alright, well, let's just take care of that.
SPEAKER_07: Let's read this is a passage he could read.
SPEAKER_07: Play Ecclesiastes chapter seven, starting in verse twenty-five, and let's see how these screaming girls would go for this.
Ecclesiastes On Folly And Flattery
SPEAKER_01: Ecclesiastes chapter seven, twenty-five through twenty-eight.
SPEAKER_01: So I turned my mind to understand, to investigate, and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things, and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly.
SPEAKER_01: I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap, and whose hands are chains.
SPEAKER_01: The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
SPEAKER_01: Look, says the teacher, this is what I have discovered adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things while I was still searching but not finding.
SPEAKER_01: I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.
SPEAKER_07: What do you think, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: Would his popularity increase or decrease?
Jacob: In fact, it it might plummet to zero because all of the women would leave and then he would have nothing.
SPEAKER_07: No, that would actually be worse.
SPEAKER_07: 12,500 screaming girls would attack you to stone you.
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_07: Yes, there'd be a stoning session.
SPEAKER_07: Um Ecclesiastes 720.
SPEAKER_07: Well, I was still searching but not finding.
SPEAKER_07: Okay, so he's searching, he can't, oh man, where's the facts and this?
SPEAKER_07: And I'm looking over here.
SPEAKER_07: And then one fact, one thing just stands out among it, just sharper than anything else, because it's the one thing he brings up.
SPEAKER_07: He doesn't go, the massiveness of the universe, or black holes, or Nova this, or that over here, or how animals did this.
SPEAKER_07: He doesn't go there, does he?
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: He goes, while I was still searching, I mean, I'm still searching and I'm not finding, I'm frustrated.
SPEAKER_07: I can't find a fact anywhere that I can really stand on there.
SPEAKER_07: There's nothing solid.
SPEAKER_07: I know I'm overdriving the point, but you know, there's nothing that can be trusted, nothing that is reliable.
SPEAKER_07: The minute I think, well, the sun is this and this does over here, I discover new angles.
SPEAKER_07: How many times do you read in the news where scientists will say, oh, they've discovered this, or they didn't know this over here, or they found out they were wrong over here?
SPEAKER_07: It's Ecclesiastes where they're searching and seeking, but they're never finding, right?
SPEAKER_07: But there is one solid fact.
SPEAKER_07: There is one solid thing.
SPEAKER_07: There is one thing that Justin Beaver could say that's true.
SPEAKER_07: He goes, Jesus died for my sins.
SPEAKER_07: Jesus is God, and guess what?
SPEAKER_07: I found out there is one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.
SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's gonna go far.
SPEAKER_07: And then he would go on to say with Titus, like, yeah, you women need to go home and be busy at home, not out here screaming your lungs out and getting the adrenaline rush and living in this fantasy land that will destroy all of society.
SPEAKER_07: Because this is gonna sound cruel and it's gonna sound mean, but it's not.
SPEAKER_07: It's the fact that the way women are created and the way men are created.
SPEAKER_07: Like, no wonder there's only a small percentage of men who actually go to these concerts.
SPEAKER_07: Whatever.
SPEAKER_07: You get my point, right?
SPEAKER_07: Kind of mumbling on.
SPEAKER_07: Yep.
SPEAKER_07: Any thoughts?
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
SPEAKER_07: Very true.
SPEAKER_07: All right, so I'm gonna need to press on a little bit further.
SPEAKER_07: This goes a little bit long, but for those that might still be questioning whether Justin Beaver is a Christian or not, let me remind everybody that when these guys say, He sent me his grace and he sent me his mercy, it is a the word grace is different than mercy.
SPEAKER_07: Grace is the power, the command, the direction, the strength to live a godly life.
SPEAKER_07: Mercy is the forgiveness you get.
SPEAKER_07: In other words, God sends his mercy to me.
SPEAKER_07: I mean, they come at the same time, but he sends forth his mercy to forgive me, and then he gives me the grace to obey if you're picking up your cross, if you're hating your own life, if you're walking the narrow road, if you've gone through the narrow gate, all of which none of which Justin Beaver has done.
SPEAKER_07: Let me read for you or play the clip on God's definition of grace.
SPEAKER_07: Again, this is God's definition of grace.
SPEAKER_01: Titus chapter two, eleven through fifteen.
SPEAKER_01: For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.
SPEAKER_01: It teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this present age while we wait for the blessed hope, the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness, and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
SPEAKER_01: These then are the things you should teach.
SPEAKER_01: Encourage and rebuke with all authority.
SPEAKER_01: Do not let anyone despise you.
SPEAKER_07: This is what Jesus Christ, our Saviour, has done, who gave himself for us to redeem.
SPEAKER_07: Us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that is very own.
SPEAKER_07: Eager to do what is good.
SPEAKER_07: Justin Beaver is not eager to do good.
Grace That Teaches Us To Say No
SPEAKER_07: Clearly, the guy doing the video is not eager to do good.
SPEAKER_07: These then are the things you should teach, and not just this isn't like here's a suggestion, and here's worldly wisdom, and this is why you need to make your bed and you need to be self-disciplined.
SPEAKER_07: It says you encourage and rebuke with all authority.
SPEAKER_07: This is not a game.
SPEAKER_07: This is the grace of God.
SPEAKER_07: This is who Jesus Christ is.
SPEAKER_07: This is what he did on the cross.
SPEAKER_07: It is grace teaches us.
SPEAKER_07: Grace will enter each person's life who surrenders and teach them to say no to ungodliness.
SPEAKER_07: God would be coming along in Justin Beaver's life and saying, no, don't play that music.
SPEAKER_07: No, don't say those words.
SPEAKER_07: I'm going to cleanse you from what?
SPEAKER_07: No to ungodliness and worldly passions.
SPEAKER_07: All those girls screaming are filled with worldly passions that Justin Beaver has sold them to have.
SPEAKER_07: And then to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this present age.
SPEAKER_07: Folks, that is the grace of God.
SPEAKER_07: That is the measurement of whether somebody is quote unquote having revival or is a Christian.
SPEAKER_07: Man, I wish we had time to go at this more, but we don't.
SPEAKER_07: Let's press on.
SPEAKER_07: Let's go to the next one.
SPEAKER_07: Let's go to Ephesians chapter 4, verse 20, because this is clearly, clearly, Justin Beaver was not taught this.
SPEAKER_07: But this is what everybody should be taught.
SPEAKER_07: Not just touches of grace, not just forgiven for more peace, and not just this over here.
SPEAKER_07: We're talking about an undivided heart that fears the Lord, and out of that fear you learn to say in a massive, loud way, no to all unguidliness, no to all impurity, no to all wickedness, and to have a clean, pure heart and life, and to fight that fight.
SPEAKER_07: Ephesians four twenty, play, Jacob.
SPEAKER_01: Ephesians chapter four twenty through twenty four.
SPEAKER_01: You, however, did not come to know Christ that way.
SPEAKER_01: Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.
SPEAKER_01: You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires, to be made new in the attitude of your minds, and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
SPEAKER_07: You were taught with regard to your former way of life, your former songs.
SPEAKER_07: You shouldn't be taking any money from your former songs.
SPEAKER_07: You should pull them from the market.
SPEAKER_07: With regard to your former way of life, to put off the old self, that your old of course you're still in your old self, Justin Beaver, and those who support you, but you were should have been taught to put off the old self to be a totally different person.
SPEAKER_07: Look, you know, what what's so ironic about this, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: Let's just say for a moment he pulled all of his current music.
SPEAKER_07: He's still got 300 million to play with.
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
SPEAKER_07: It's not like he's in poverty level.
SPEAKER_07: With regard to your former way of like to put off the old self, which is being corrupted by what does it say?
SPEAKER_07: Deceitful desires.
SPEAKER_07: I don't doubt for a minute Justin Beaver thinks he's doing good.
SPEAKER_07: They're called deceitful desires.
SPEAKER_07: They're lying desires.
SPEAKER_07: And that's what the church is promoting.
SPEAKER_07: That's what they're giving to people is here's your desires, but it's all coming with the seed and clouded with Jesus dying for your sins and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER_07: And then verse 24 says, and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
SPEAKER_07: So you're trying to tell me, Justin Beaver, that the Son of God and Jesus Christ, I mean Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the living God is going to sing your songs?
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: Like God in true righteousness, not this play righteousness, Ephesians 4.24 says true righteousness, and not just righteousness, but holiness.
SPEAKER_07: And we haven't even begun to talk about holiness.
Put Off The Old Self, Put On The New
SPEAKER_07: There's that separation of heart and spirit from the world and so on.
SPEAKER_07: You know, Jude verse 23 says that we're to snatch others from the fire and save them to show mercy mixed with what?
SPEAKER_07: Again, there's that word fear.
SPEAKER_07: To others show mercy mixed with fear.
SPEAKER_07: Now look at this, Justin Beaver, hating even the clothing stained by corrupt flesh.
SPEAKER_07: Any chance you could wear the baseball cap like you're supposed to?
SPEAKER_07: Any chance you might get something better than a t-shirt?
SPEAKER_07: 300 million, you ought to be able to buy something that reflects clothing that doesn't speak of corruption and flesh and laziness and oh my pants are hanging down so that the bottom or the top of the bottom of my bottom is showing.
SPEAKER_07: The whole thing.
SPEAKER_07: Go ahead.
SPEAKER_07: What did you say, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: No, the whole your whole butt's hanging out, anyways.
SPEAKER_07: Go ahead.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I was trying to be nice.
SPEAKER_07: I hear you.
SPEAKER_07: Hating even the clothing stained by Crofts.
SPEAKER_07: Hating! Hating.
SPEAKER_07: So where where in the video is this guy hating the clothing that Justin Beaver is wearing?
SPEAKER_07: There's nothing holy or redemptive or anything that speaks of righteousness or grace or even the mercy of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_07: Any thoughts or anything before we kind of conclude here, Jacob?
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
SPEAKER_07: Well, we're gonna have to conclude, which means what I want you to do is just play these passages from Romans 6.1, and people are going to need to seek the living God.
SPEAKER_07: We don't have time to break it down today.
SPEAKER_07: But if Justin Beaver or anybody else claims to be a Christian, they should be living these scriptures.
SPEAKER_07: This is the beginning part of being baptized, and by that I mean water baptized, saved by the blood, saved by the Spirit, and all of those things come together, and everything becomes new and everything becomes different, so that we are not slaves to sin, but slaves to righteousness and holiness.
SPEAKER_07: When you look at Justin Beaver, you do not see somebody enslaved to holiness, do you?
SPEAKER_07: No, not at all.
SPEAKER_07: You don't see somebody enslaved to righteousness and purity.
SPEAKER_07: No.
SPEAKER_07: Instead, as Romans 6 13 says, he offers his body to sin to promote wickedness, and the girls and the girly men and the whitewashed Christians who are doomed to hell are applauding.
SPEAKER_01: What shall we say then?
SPEAKER_01: Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
SPEAKER_01: By no means we died to sin.
SPEAKER_01: How can we live in it any longer?
SPEAKER_01: Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
SPEAKER_01: We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
SPEAKER_01: If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
SPEAKER_01: For we know that our old self was crucified with him, so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin, because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
SPEAKER_01: Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him, for we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again.
SPEAKER_01: Death no longer has mastery over him.
SPEAKER_01: The death he died, he died to sin once for all.
SPEAKER_01: But the life he lives, he lives to God.
SPEAKER_01: In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
SPEAKER_01: Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
SPEAKER_01: Do not offer the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life.
SPEAKER_01: And offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.
SPEAKER_01: For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law but under grace.
SPEAKER_01: What then?
SPEAKER_01: Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?
Slaves To Righteousness, Not Sin
SPEAKER_01: By no means don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey?
SPEAKER_01: Whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness.
SPEAKER_01: But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
SPEAKER_01: You have been set free from sin, and have become slaves to righteousness.
SPEAKER_01: I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves.
SPEAKER_01: Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness, leading to holiness.
SPEAKER_01: When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.
SPEAKER_01: What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of?
SPEAKER_01: Those things result in death.
SPEAKER_01: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
SPEAKER_01: For the wages of sin is death.
SPEAKER_01: But the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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