Light, Help and Quantum Mechanics

Photons and Time Experience

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0:48 Speaker 3: Before we get started, quick question, Jacob.

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0:53 Speaker 3: Here's the question Do photons experience time?

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1:11 Speaker 4: Now here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob.

1:18 Speaker 3: How's it going, Jacob?

1:19 Speaker 3: It's going good.

1:31 Speaker 5: So do photons experience time.

1:31 Speaker 3: I'm going to say, yes, they do.

1:32 Speaker 3: Photons experience time.

1:33 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, yes, they do, they experience time.

1:34 Speaker 3: Yes, everything, everything experiences time.

1:35 Speaker 5: Really, even even heaven experiences time no, except, except the lord, although although, well he, there's some sort of time.

1:44 Speaker 5: If he's always been, if he's been from the beginning, then it doesn't affect him, but he does.

1:50 Speaker 5: Well, he just knows it's there.

1:51 Speaker 5: It doesn't affect him though.

1:53 Speaker 3: We can go all the way to.

1:54 Speaker 3: Well, technically, god is above time because he's God and he's above time, correct?

1:59 Speaker 2: Is there time in heaven.

2:01 Speaker 3: Well, in the book of Revelation it says that there's a tree for the healing of the nations that gives its fruit every 30 days.

2:08 Speaker 3: So I guess you'd be marking your calendar in heaven, but we're getting a little off topic.

2:14 Speaker 3: But that was a good place to go.

2:15 Speaker 3: What we're going to talk, well, let's go ahead and play it.

2:18 Speaker 3: This is, uh, neil degrassi, if I'm pronouncing his name correctly.

2:23 Speaker 3: They're discussing photons and whether they experience time or not.

2:29 Speaker 6: Remember Einstein the faster you go, slower time ticks for you.

2:32 Speaker 6: Correct At the speed of light, time stops.

2:34 Speaker 6: Are you saying?

2:34 Speaker 6: Photons don't experience time at all?

2:36 Speaker 6: Holy crap.

2:38 Speaker 6: So the instant the photon was created in photosphere of the sun, the outer surface, and then it went on its eight minute and 20 second journey to earth?

2:47 Speaker 6: If you're the photon, you are born and you land on someone's buttocks in the same moment.

2:53 Speaker 6: Oh snap, they have no concept of that time passing.

2:57 Speaker 6: You were born and absorbed in the same instant.

3:00 Speaker 5: Okay, Jacob, you got it Kind of got it.

3:04 Speaker 5: Well, I got his words.

3:06 Speaker 5: He says that it doesn't experience time.

3:09 Speaker 3: Correct.

3:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, all of this we've got to take by faith that the science is correct.

3:15 Speaker 3: Yes, but his main point is that photons when the minute that it's created and wherever it winds up at, which could be, you know, on Earth I won't use his language or across the galaxies or whatever.

3:27 Speaker 3: It's instantaneous that there is no time element going on there, correct?

3:33 Speaker 5: Yeah Well, he even referenced like it takes eight minutes and something seconds for the photon to get here.

3:38 Speaker 3: So he even references a time but the photon didn't experience the time a time, but the photon didn't experience the time exactly, which brings up a really good point of where we're headed with this that the photon is not experiencing any time whatsoever, but from our perspective, we're measuring the time.

3:55 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, here's, here's the point.

3:57 Speaker 3: Let's go to first john, chapter one, verse five.

4:01 Speaker 3: Go ahead and read that, jacob 1.

4:03 Speaker 5: John, chapter 1, verse 5.

4:08 Speaker 3: Clearly we're not as fast as a photon.

4:11 Speaker 5: Yes, this is the message we have heard from him and declared to you.

4:15 Speaker 5: God is light In him.

4:18 Speaker 5: There is no darkness at all.

4:21 Speaker 3: Okay, what he just proved is, if God is light and if you're going the speed of light, or actually beyond, let's just say, is there any experience of time?

4:33 Speaker 3: No, not according to him, so he just proved Scripture true, yes, and one thing to kind of contemplate here a little bit or consider is the fact that eventually he's going to say, we'll play the clip that there really is no god.

4:48 Speaker 3: And yet you've got all these fantastic theories.

4:51 Speaker 3: In fact, as far as I know, I don't know how they're proving a photon doesn't experience time.

4:56 Speaker 3: I take their word for it.

4:57 Speaker 3: It has a real ring of truth to it.

4:59 Speaker 3: It shows, you know, god is light.

5:01 Speaker 3: Therefore there is no time to him.

5:03 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, in fact it kind of gets a.

5:07 Speaker 3: Obviously, you would know it would get deeper and deeper.

5:09 Speaker 3: In that.

5:09 Speaker 3: Go to psalm 36, verse 9.

5:12 Speaker 3: I'd like to say this is one of my favorite scriptures, but it's kind of a misnomer my favorite scriptures, or whatever.

5:19 Speaker 3: God's kind of putting my heart on my heart at the moment.

5:22 Speaker 3: Although we were kind of calculating, I've got a picture in my office that I've had for how many years did we come up with?

5:29 Speaker 3: Like 32 or something.

5:32 Speaker 5: A solid 35.

5:34 Speaker 5: Our best guess is 1990 is about when you got it, and that's 35 years, so a very long time.

5:41 Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting that we're talking about.

5:43 Speaker 3: God is light, therefore time is irrelevant.

5:45 Speaker 3: And then I'm talking about one of the favorite scriptures is that the light of God which I've had for 36 years, which I've counted down, so quite the contrast in a lot of ways.

5:56 Speaker 3: Psalm 36, 9, it really, I would have to say, is one of my favorite scriptures, for with you is the fountain of life All right, say is one of my favorite scriptures, for with you is the fountain of life, all right.

6:08 Speaker 3: So he's talking about protons.

6:09 Speaker 3: Remember that when it's created, which means you've got life going on, that it's instantly wherever it needs to be.

6:14 Speaker 3: That's, that's kind of what he's saying, right?

6:16 Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to put words in these guys mouths and this stuff.

6:18 Speaker 3: A lot of it's over my head, a whole lot, and in fact I'm going to ask you a series of questions, jacob, that I kind of apologize for, because there's no way that you had advanced warning.

6:29 Speaker 3: I've at least been able to mull over these videos, so I have maybe a grasp.

6:33 Speaker 3: That's correct, sure, but I appreciate you letting me bounce off the questions from you without defensiveness.

6:39 Speaker 3: There's none of that.

6:40 Speaker 3: When you were an early disciple, I'd ask questions just to break your pride, but you outgrew that which is really testimony to God's grace and power.

6:48 Speaker 3: Something you wanted to say.

6:50 Speaker 5: No, no, go ahead.

6:51 Speaker 3: Psalm 36, 9, says For with you is the fountain of life.

6:55 Speaker 3: And here's my favorite part, and I have that engraved on the painting or the poster, whatever it is, in your light, we see light.

7:04 Speaker 3: Or the poster, whatever it is, in your light, we see light.

7:07 Speaker 3: It says and we don't have time to look at today that God lives in unapproachable light.

7:10 Speaker 3: And when we say light we tend to think only of what we can see visually.

7:14 Speaker 3: But there are all kinds of different levels and different kinds of light that we cannot observe.

7:20 Speaker 3: We can maybe see some things that happen in life that say, okay, that's there, you can't see an x-ray, but you can see the.

7:27 Speaker 3: The plate of an x-ray.

7:29 Speaker 3: That kind of proves, well, clearly, something was there.

7:31 Speaker 3: It's that kind of concept.

7:32 Speaker 3: So we have to have the light of god to understand light.

7:37 Speaker 3: And that's what neil doesn't have.

7:39 Speaker 3: He rejects that there's a god and we'll look at that here in a moment.

7:43 Speaker 3: So he's not able to understand and really understand the significance of what he's looking at, and that's really sad.

7:50 Speaker 3: Any comments before we kind of go to this next scripture on that, jacob, no, go ahead.

7:54 Speaker 3: Well, let's go to Genesis 1, verse 3, because there's always been this big debate going on of well, the earth wasn't made in 24 days.

8:04 Speaker 3: And yet in Genesis it says you, you know, let there be light, and that was the first day.

8:09 Speaker 3: And so it goes on in the kids songs and unbelievers really, they have many cows over this whole issue saying see the bible's wrong.

8:17 Speaker 3: I find that argument, especially now frustrating is the wrong word, but so empty in terms of logic.

8:28 Speaker 3: I mean, here you have scientists talking about photons that can be in two different places at the same time and you have quantum theory.

8:35 Speaker 3: We're going to look at some omega code that the supercomputer just came up with.

8:40 Speaker 3: You've got all these dimensions going on and all this weird kind of thing.

8:44 Speaker 3: That does make sense, but it's really way out there, right?

8:47 Speaker 3: And yet you can't imagine a God that, if he wanted to, could make the earth and all that we see in 24-hour segments.

8:56 Speaker 3: Now, scripture doesn't even say that and I don't believe it was 24 hours.

9:01 Speaker 3: But just consider the photon for a moment.

9:04 Speaker 3: The photon is created, right?

9:05 Speaker 3: And the instant it's created, is it not landing instantly where it's supposed to be, jacob, without any sense of time?

9:12 Speaker 5: Correct.

9:12 Speaker 5: And, yep, we're taking Neil deGrasse Tyson at his word.

9:15 Speaker 5: But, yes, the photo poop emerges from the sun and then poof, it's at the earth, with no experience of time, all right, so it's not way out there to envision.

9:26 Speaker 3: God says okay, here's earth.

9:27 Speaker 3: Just pretend earth is one little photon, or it's obviously made up a bunch of photons.

9:31 Speaker 3: God says let it be created.

9:33 Speaker 3: Would it not instantly be in place where it's supposed to be Correct?

9:37 Speaker 3: So there's no movement or sense of time.

9:42 Speaker 8: It literally could be.

9:43 Speaker 3: God made it in an instant and waited 23 hours and 59 seconds to do the next day right correct.

9:48 Speaker 3: So I don't know why that's all so strange anymore.

9:51 Speaker 3: There should really be a full embracing by all scientists saying well, yeah, it's possible.

9:55 Speaker 3: I mean, they have all kinds of bizarre things going on, so why not that that's easy to line with science.

10:02 Speaker 3: Is all that I'm saying Correct?

10:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me do a little bit of reading and explain this a little bit.

10:08 Speaker 3: Scientists really do believe that there's a phenomenon where particles can exist in two different places at the same time.

10:24 Speaker 3: So let me read a recap of that and I'm not going to try and explain the whole thing.

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10:27 Speaker 3: Okay, the phenomenon where particles exist in two places at once is primarily associated with quantum mechanics.

10:34 Speaker 3: Have you heard that term, quantum mechanics, jake?

10:36 Speaker 5: Yes, I have heard that term.

10:38 Speaker 3: Okay, that's going to become very important as we look at something else here in a little bit about the quantum computer, as we look at something else here in a little bit about the quantum computer and it's called.

10:48 Speaker 3: It goes on to say particularly the concept of superposition.

10:51 Speaker 3: Superposition in quantum mechanics particles such as electrons can exist in multiple states or locations simultaneously until they are measured.

11:00 Speaker 3: Now that's the weird part.

11:03 Speaker 3: In other words, you've got two part.

11:05 Speaker 3: You've got particles right, existing in multiple states at the same time, but then when you go to look to measure them it disappears.

11:13 Speaker 3: That that's the part I quite don't quite have down, but I'm not really trying to pursue that.

11:19 Speaker 3: Okay, what this goes on to.

11:21 Speaker 3: This means that a particle can be described as being in a combination of all possible states.

11:28 Speaker 3: So you think of who God is.

11:31 Speaker 3: God is light.

11:33 Speaker 3: Can he not exist in all possible states at all times, instantaneously?

11:39 Speaker 3: Yes, he can.

11:40 Speaker 3: And then if we back up from that, we know that to be true.

11:44 Speaker 3: And so if we back up to observe God, are we able to do so?

11:50 Speaker 3: Not as humans Correct so this quantum superposition applies to God himself, correct?

11:57 Speaker 3: He is everywhere, at all different levels.

12:00 Speaker 3: All these protons, electrons, everything are everywhere where they need to be.

12:04 Speaker 3: Different levels, all these protons, electrons, everything are everywhere where they need to be.

12:06 Speaker 3: But if you back up and go to examine them, then that which you're looking at disappears.

12:10 Speaker 3: So the same thing with God.

12:12 Speaker 3: We all know God says he's eternal.

12:14 Speaker 3: So okay, we accept that.

12:16 Speaker 3: We kind of see proof of all that around.

12:18 Speaker 3: But if we back up and go I'm going to go into, let's say I go into my prayer closet and go, okay, I'm going to observe God eternally, in all states, at all times, it would elude me, it would disappear.

12:30 Speaker 3: Right, I'm not able to grasp it, put it down, because the minute you nail it down, so to speak, or the minute you hold God to the mat, it disappears, the concept disappears.

12:40 Speaker 3: Make sense, it does make sense, okay.

12:44 Speaker 3: In Genesis 1-3, it says and God said Let there be light.

12:50 Speaker 3: And there was light.

12:51 Speaker 3: Now, does that seem so far out there that Neil should go?

12:54 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about that?

12:57 Speaker 5: No, it doesn't seem that out there, to me Not at all.

13:00 Speaker 3: God saw that the light was good and he separated the light from darkness.

13:03 Speaker 3: God called the light day and the darkness he called night and there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

13:09 Speaker 3: Again, even scripture says in 1 Peter that this is God's day, it's not man's day.

13:14 Speaker 3: Have you ever noticed with these scientists?

13:18 Speaker 3: They have these super mathematical formulas right and they'll come up.

13:22 Speaker 3: You know quantum mechanics, quantum computing, superimposing.

13:26 Speaker 3: You know they have all these names, these photons, electrons, and then when they go, somebody will go.

13:32 Speaker 3: Can you explain that to a layman?

13:35 Speaker 3: What do they do?

13:37 Speaker 3: They bring it down to some of the most basic concept to explain the most complicated things.

13:43 Speaker 3: Well, god is no different.

13:45 Speaker 3: He's talking to the human race.

13:46 Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to lay out the mathematical formula by which all of this is true?

13:52 Speaker 3: First of all, I kind of thank him for that.

13:55 Speaker 3: Doesn't it leave us something to explore?

13:57 Speaker 3: Yes, can you imagine?

13:59 Speaker 3: The Bible lays out this formula and I'm going to guess it's probably a pretty simple formula.

14:04 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know by which the universe was created, and if he spelled that out right?

14:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is how it was done.

14:11 Speaker 3: There's no fun in the examination.

14:16 Speaker 5: Well, it takes away like the mystery.

14:18 Speaker 5: And then, yeah, because he wants a relationship with us, he wants us to, you know, not only marvel at his creation, but obviously worship him.

14:27 Speaker 5: And so, if you just spell it out, it's like reading the book and then just being done Like, okay, go on to something else.

14:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a child comes to you right and they go I don't know, daddy, why are red crayons red?

14:40 Speaker 3: And you go, because the dye functions into the wax and it comes out.

14:44 Speaker 3: And you go because the dye functions into the wax and it comes out, and you spell it out in this cold level.

14:48 Speaker 3: Is there much reaction with the kid other than okay, yeah, correct.

14:52 Speaker 3: But if you said something like, well, the Ls in the tree, they take the wax from the tree and they mix it with sunlight and it comes out red.

15:01 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating that kind of explanation.

15:04 Speaker 3: Sure, and it comes out red.

15:05 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating that kind of explanation.

15:06 Speaker 3: But there's an enjoyment of fellowship and I think you hit that right on the nail on the head that what God's looking for is fellowship.

15:12 Speaker 3: So he comes along and he words it this way, and then, as you mature, as you grow in the Lord, you go hmm, well, hey, wait a minute, Can you explain the day to me as you grow in other things?

15:22 Speaker 3: And that's why we're referred to as children or sheep that have to be shepherded.

15:27 Speaker 3: Eventually we get around to asking some other questions, but he's just trying to give a fun introduction to the creation of the universe.

15:33 Speaker 3: I find this to be a lot more fun than Neil's little photon experiment.

15:37 Speaker 3: Right, Correct, yes, All right, Any comments or anything, Because we're going to play this next clip now, where Neil goes on to say he doesn't believe in God.

15:52 Speaker 6: Do you believe in God, me, the creator?

15:54 Speaker 6: Yeah, so the more I look at the universe, just the less convinced I am that there is something benevolent going on.

16:02 Speaker 6: So if your concept of a creator is someone who's all powerful and all good, that's not an uncommon pairing of powers that you might describe to a creator.

16:09 Speaker 6: And I look at disasters that afflict Earth and life on Earth Volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, disease.

16:17 Speaker 6: You look at this list of ways that life is made miserable on Earth by natural causes, and I just ask how do you deal with that?

16:26 Speaker 6: So philosophers rose up and said if there is a God, god is either not all powerful or not all good.

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16:33 Speaker 6: I have no problems if, as we probe the origins of things, we bump up into the bearded man.

16:39 Speaker 6: If that shows up, we're good to go.

16:40 Speaker 6: Okay, not a problem.

16:42 Speaker 6: There's just no evidence of it, and this is why religions are called faiths.

16:47 Speaker 3: Any?

16:47 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying not to laugh at this, but any quick comment, jacob.

16:54 Speaker 5: Well, the world was.

16:56 Speaker 5: God called it good and it was only because sin entered the world through man.

17:00 Speaker 5: I mean, there was no, you know, there wasn't like there was hurricanes and disease and all the bad stuff till man sinned.

17:06 Speaker 5: So anyways, it's kind of a quick explanation of why there's bad things that happen.

17:11 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get to that here in just a moment, because that's kind of the crux of the deal, so let me back up.

17:16 Speaker 3: Did he actually answer the question?

17:20 Speaker 5: Well, he yeah, well, her question is do you believe in God or a creator?

17:27 Speaker 5: And his answer is no.

17:28 Speaker 5: So he answered that part of the question Not really, Not really Did.

17:31 Speaker 5: He answered that part of the question Not really, not really Did he really address the question of is there a God?

17:37 Speaker 5: Oh well, then he proceeded to theorize like that if there's a God, pretty much that he doesn't like it, right, he doesn't like the fact that there's disease, there's disasters and all this stuff, the fact that there's disease, there's disasters and all this stuff, and so then it will.

17:55 Speaker 5: And then he claims, I think I believe at the end he pretty much says like there is no evidence for god, but that's his opinion.

17:59 Speaker 3: Well, we'll get that to that in a moment.

18:01 Speaker 3: He never answered the question these scientists never do when, when?

18:05 Speaker 3: Because it's a simple question.

18:07 Speaker 3: She didn't ask well, what do you think about the character of God?

18:11 Speaker 3: Sure, she asked do you believe in God?

18:14 Speaker 3: And most of these atheists or agnostics, or especially those that are outspoken, they never answer that question.

18:22 Speaker 3: What they always answer is that the character of God is bad, yeah, and that somehow that negates the fact that there ever was a god oh sure, those are two separate issues, correct?

18:35 Speaker 5: yeah, that's true, they.

18:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, he always goes into every well.

18:38 Speaker 5: You know, it's almost like well, if there was a god.

18:41 Speaker 5: To me he looks bad.

18:43 Speaker 5: Therefore, I won't believe in him that is correct, and he's not.

18:46 Speaker 3: And think of it as this scientific mind he's got and he's not able to separate that question, as we'll see here in a moment.

18:54 Speaker 3: That's why scripture says they become fools because he can't even he separates protons in terms of when they exist and that they're in all states at all times, and that's not a problem for him.

19:05 Speaker 3: So if you say, hey, do do photons experience time, and he goes no, no, the faster you get to the speed of light, time becomes meaningless and it stops and so on.

19:12 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a fact.

19:14 Speaker 3: He answered the question.

19:15 Speaker 3: The question was does the proton experience time?

19:19 Speaker 3: No, is there a god?

19:21 Speaker 3: That's a yes or no question.

19:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the people always listening I don't know what their problem is.

19:27 Speaker 3: They let them get by with it, like Like I would go no, that's not the question.

19:31 Speaker 3: First, answer the question Do you think there's a God or not?

19:35 Speaker 3: If he says yes, I think there's a God, then we can talk about.

19:42 Speaker 3: Okay now which God and why don't you like his character?

19:46 Speaker 3: First of all, it's ridiculous.

19:48 Speaker 3: I mean absolutely ridiculous, to the best definition of what ridiculous means to say there's no evidence for God.

20:01 Speaker 5: That's absurd.

20:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's nuts.

20:03 Speaker 5: What are you talking about?

20:07 Speaker 3: blade of grass, every ray of sunshine, every proton that exists in every superimposed state, at all times in existence, proves there is a god yeah let's look at romans 120 and just read that.

20:23 Speaker 3: Romans 120 go ahead and read that jacob when you get there.

20:29 Speaker 5: Romans 1, verse 20.

20:46 Speaker 3: For since the creation of the world, god's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

20:55 Speaker 3: Isn't it staggering to think that, you know, as far as I I know, he's never picked up in his hand a photon, correct?

20:58 Speaker 3: In fact, all of these, like particle accelerators and the things to prove stuff, are looking for the after effect, not the actual element.

21:06 Speaker 3: Remember, he just said if you find the actual element and you observe it, then it no longer exists.

21:11 Speaker 3: All right, so he's willing to accept that as fact because he sees evidence of that fact.

21:18 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like it's without evidence.

21:19 Speaker 3: You've got a multi-billion dollar particle accelerator going around and around.

21:24 Speaker 3: They're exploding these things together and there's evidence of some things and they're trying to figure it out with mathematical formulas.

21:29 Speaker 3: Okay, you've got some evidence that you're acting on correct, correct?

21:39 Speaker 3: And you can't look at the whole universe and space and space time and the moon and the stars and the trees.

21:41 Speaker 3: I know I'm kind of, but it goes.

21:43 Speaker 3: We'd be here on and on and on of proof that there is a god.

21:47 Speaker 3: Correct?

21:48 Speaker 3: Romans 120 again.

21:50 Speaker 3: For since the creation of the world, god's invisible qualities.

21:55 Speaker 3: So scripture acknowledges god is invisible, but that's why it gets goading when they go.

22:02 Speaker 3: Well, that's why religion's faith as if our faith were based on just some airhead opinion the faith that I have in Jesus Christ is factual, is scientific in nature, is logical in nature and it also comes from experience and walking with God.

22:21 Speaker 3: It's a very tangible real thing.

22:24 Speaker 3: I don't know where they get this idea that well, faith is just faith.

22:28 Speaker 3: You just read scripture and you can be a mindless boob and an idiot and you just have to accept.

22:33 Speaker 3: And that's why all these religious people are just wrong because it's just faith.

22:38 Speaker 3: There's another lady, I don't have time to play her, she has one of these British tight accents and same thing it has to do with well, god is this and only that, and Christian faith is just that, it's just faith.

22:51 Speaker 3: Well, god is this and only that, and Christian faith is just that, it's just faith, when their definition of faith is not an honest, realistic, practical, scientific definition of faith.

23:03 Speaker 3: Romans goes on to say his external power, his divine nature.

23:07 Speaker 3: You can look at the universe and see a divine nature that's involved.

23:10 Speaker 3: He talks about the universe, he talks about space.

23:15 Speaker 3: He talks about man's achievement of sending satellites up there and we're landing on meteorites and we're bringing back samples and so on and forth, and he doesn't see the fact that those things exist and that they're real, and all the math that we put behind it, that there's not a divine power that created these things.

23:33 Speaker 3: You really do, without any, just looking down on them and going man, you're just a fool.

23:38 Speaker 3: That makes no sense at all.

23:41 Speaker 3: Okay, have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made so that men were without excuse.

23:47 Speaker 3: That's why, if I never preach the gospel or I never get to sit down and talk with him or I never even get to read this scripture, he will die accountable to god because the grass he walks on, the mechanics by which a car is made or a rocket ship is made or a telescope is made, everything that he's allowed to do in the physical universe is a demonstration that god exists.

24:11 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

24:11 Speaker 3: All right, so we've established that god exists.

24:15 Speaker 3: So that debate's over with right jacob, correct?

24:18 Speaker 3: Well, let's go to zephaniah 3, 5 and let's kind of answer his question of like well, there's disease and there's destruction and there's wars and there's all these terrible things and the universe itself is like full of violence and you've got black holes and you've got all of this turmoil going on.

24:38 Speaker 3: You've got stars sucking in other stardust, right.

24:40 Speaker 3: So therefore, god must be evil.

24:44 Speaker 3: That's his conclusion.

24:45 Speaker 3: Yes, because there is turmoil in the world, death and destruction and all of these things going on that we don't like, and I'm one of those who doesn't find them pleasurable at all.

25:00 Speaker 3: Somehow God must be guilty.

25:03 Speaker 3: That's his conclusion.

25:04 Speaker 3: Not that we deserve it, and that's what you were talking about earlier, and we'll see that here in a moment Because the reason that Neil sees these things as evil is because he doesn't realize how wicked he is.

25:16 Speaker 3: Zephaniah 3, verse 5.

25:19 Speaker 3: Go ahead and read that, jacob.

25:21 Speaker 5: The Lord within her is righteous.

25:23 Speaker 5: He does no wrong.

25:24 Speaker 5: Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail.

25:31 Speaker 5: Yet the unrighteous know no shame.

25:36 Speaker 3: What all of these scientists fail to do is they look at the misery in the world or all the things in the Bible that look like they were wrong to have been done and conclude that God is evil.

25:49 Speaker 3: They don't show any shame that it could be as you stated, jacob, and as Scripture stated, that we're all fell into sin and we deserve everything that we get.

25:59 Speaker 3: I mean, we're able to grasp that concept with a prisoner that's taken into the electric chair because he murdered three or four people or a family.

26:08 Speaker 3: Right, don't we go?

26:08 Speaker 3: He deserves that Correct, yeah, hang him, hang him, hang him.

26:12 Speaker 3: And that he deserved to be in jail for 10 years and by himself and face the consequences of his crimes, and no one's above the law.

26:21 Speaker 3: You know that classic lie that's out there everywhere.

26:23 Speaker 5: No one's above the law except everybody else.

26:25 Speaker 3: That's above the law.

26:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, except yeah.

26:29 Speaker 3: I know.

26:32 Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

26:32 Speaker 3: I'm sidetracking.

26:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a whole other issue.

26:33 Speaker 3: I was looking at all the different videos and it's just so hard to stay away from the injustice that's going on.

26:37 Speaker 3: In fact, I've probably got too much in here today.

26:40 Speaker 3: Romans 3, verse 12,.

26:43 Speaker 3: Neil, let's read it for you, since you refuse to humble yourself and look at it.

26:47 Speaker 3: All have turned away.

26:49 Speaker 3: That includes you.

26:49 Speaker 3: You're part of all, Neil.

26:52 Speaker 3: All have turned away.

26:53 Speaker 3: They have together become worthless.

26:56 Speaker 3: Neil, you are worthless.

26:57 Speaker 3: You're talking braggart about everything that you know and you like to hear yourself chat, and it all comes back to you over and over again and you're stealing God's wisdom, his structure, his science, how he's done things to bring attention to yourself, his structure, his science, how he's done things to bring attention to yourself.

27:12 Speaker 3: You are just like the devil, who had all the glory of God, who was the guardian of God's throne, and guess what?

27:19 Speaker 3: He seized it for himself and became a selfish, brute beast, a demon that was once an angel.

27:32 Speaker 3: Did I explain that pretty clear?

27:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just for starters, neil.

27:34 Speaker 3: We can keep going, or you can get into the prayer closet and ask god to show you just how true that is.

27:38 Speaker 3: You deserve the famine.

27:40 Speaker 3: You deserve destruction.

27:41 Speaker 3: It's just one criminal against another criminal.

27:44 Speaker 3: We see that in the justice system there is no quantitative difference between the police and the crook.

27:48 Speaker 3: Is there jacob?

27:49 Speaker 3: No, none.

27:50 Speaker 3: All have turned away.

27:52 Speaker 3: They have together become worthless.

27:54 Speaker 3: No one.

27:55 Speaker 3: There is no one who does good.

27:57 Speaker 3: Romans 3.12.

27:57 Speaker 3: Not even one.

27:59 Speaker 3: Romans 3.13,.

28:00 Speaker 3: Their throats are open graves.

28:02 Speaker 3: Their tongues practice deceit.

28:04 Speaker 3: The poison of vipers is on their lips.

28:06 Speaker 3: You harness your tongue to brag, boast and talk.

28:10 Speaker 3: What more can I say?

28:11 Speaker 3: You need to repent.

28:12 Speaker 3: Then you might understand that all the evil in the world, in fact, the book of Revelation says that God causes the world to go to war with one another.

28:20 Speaker 3: There is a plan through all of this and God is doing nothing wrong.

28:24 Speaker 3: He's dispensing justice, and the only reason that the proton of this universe is not completely dead, gone and over with in an instant, is.

28:33 Speaker 3: God is trying to give you, Neil, and everybody else, time to repent.

28:37 Speaker 3: Because if that's the nature of protons that they're created and they're instantly where they need to be and there's no sense of time God had to introduce time into a fallen universe to give me and Jacob and those few who want to repent a chance to repent.

28:53 Speaker 3: Because, technically, if God backed up and just let everything run its course and all the protons be where they need to be instantaneously.

29:01 Speaker 3: This thing would have been over with, wouldn't have Jacob.

29:03 Speaker 5: Correct.

29:04 Speaker 5: If he didn't give people time to repent, then because we are all guilty at birth, so then we'd all go to hell.

29:11 Speaker 5: But it's actually his love and mercy that even gives us the chance.

29:16 Speaker 3: That's right.

29:16 Speaker 3: Instantaneous photons.

29:18 Speaker 3: Instantaneous, without any chance to repent.

29:21 Speaker 3: Now, that's an unloving God.

29:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go back to Romans 1.20, and let's read it and kind of finish up with this whole area and see who Neil is on this issue, and him and many other scientists.

29:35 Speaker 3: Romans 1.20,.

29:35 Speaker 3: For since the creation of the world, god's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that all men are without excuse.

29:49 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just a fundamental, basic, solid scripture.

29:53 Speaker 3: That's like photon, that's like give me a mathematical formula.

29:56 Speaker 3: That's solid, it's understandable.

29:58 Speaker 3: God is invisible.

29:59 Speaker 3: We see his qualities, bang.

30:01 Speaker 3: I don't know what else you need.

30:02 Speaker 3: Whether it's the big bang, little bang, no bang, whatever, that doesn't matter.

30:06 Speaker 3: That would just be fun to examine if God allowed it.

30:09 Speaker 3: Romans 121.

30:09 Speaker 3: Just be fun to examine if God allowed it.

30:10 Speaker 3: Romans 1.21.

30:11 Speaker 3: Here's the key, for although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him.

30:18 Speaker 3: Did you see Neil go?

30:19 Speaker 3: Yes, there is a God and there is a wonder to this whole universe and there's spinning stars and different things going on.

30:26 Speaker 3: What an amazing, powerful God.

30:28 Speaker 3: Why should I ever think I could understand morality, what's good and what's needed, because a God that is clearly that powerful has something going for him.

30:38 Speaker 3: So maybe, just maybe, I could be wrong about his character and it has more to do with my dark, sinful mind that can't grasp it, and if he would give me mercy to understand it, then we could unravel the love of God.

30:52 Speaker 5: Definitely did not say that.

30:54 Speaker 3: No, for although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him.

30:59 Speaker 3: But their thinking became futile.

31:02 Speaker 3: Look at that.

31:03 Speaker 3: He goes through all of that and at the end it's what Futile it's just.

31:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, it dies.

31:09 Speaker 3: It's empty, like okay, where are you going to go with this so you can fathom black holes, time and travel and quantum mechanics and this over here and though, you can entertain millions of people, make a good living, having all that money and prestige, going on by just talking about what god has done, stealing his glory.

31:26 Speaker 3: You can grab all of that if you want.

31:28 Speaker 3: And then what do you have at the end of the day?

31:31 Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing.

31:33 Speaker 3: No relationship with the living God, no acknowledgement of God, no heart of thanks to God.

31:39 Speaker 3: Think how cold it is to examine the whole universe and to understand it, and he may understand it far more clearly than I do.

31:46 Speaker 3: But there's no joy, there's no praise.

Police Brutality and Justice System Failures

31:51 Speaker 3: But their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

31:56 Speaker 3: And although they claim to be wise, romans 1.22 says what did they become?

32:02 Speaker 3: Jacob Fools, fools.

32:04 Speaker 3: It's easy enough.

32:06 Speaker 3: It's easy enough to see that he's a fool.

32:12 Speaker 3: Don't say it looking down on him.

32:13 Speaker 3: I was born a fool.

32:15 Speaker 3: I was born a sinner but, praise God, I'm repenting of being a fool.

32:19 Speaker 3: All right, jacob.

32:22 Speaker 3: Next question, we're going to come down to a little more mundane now.

32:25 Speaker 3: I know you never go to McDonald's.

32:29 Speaker 3: I don't either.

32:30 Speaker 3: I never cheat.

32:30 Speaker 3: Um, I know you never go to mcdonald's, I don't either, I never cheat.

32:34 Speaker 3: But suppose we pulled into a fast food restaurant and you order, you know whatever it is, you order, and you get back a receipt in the box with the food in it and on the box has the word help written on it and on the receipt has the word help written on it and you're through the drive-thru.

32:49 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm, would you call the police?

32:54 Speaker 5: um, would I call?

32:55 Speaker 5: No, probably not.

32:58 Speaker 5: You wouldn't call the police.

33:01 Speaker 5: Uh, no, if I truly thought somebody because this is a that would be a very weird, awkward thing and would I would probably do like some, investigating myself if I think somebody really does need help before calling the police.

33:18 Speaker 5: Yes, my, my first reaction.

33:19 Speaker 5: I'm talking through the scenario here, but my first reaction is is to not call 911.

33:25 Speaker 5: It better be a real, real emergency, and I know it's an emergency before I ever call 9-1-1 the um.

33:32 Speaker 3: Pull up the image there if you can find it real quick, it shows a picture of the help on the receipt there you go.

33:39 Speaker 3: I guess it's at freddy's.

33:40 Speaker 3: You see the word help there.

33:42 Speaker 3: And then also on the receipt.

33:43 Speaker 3: It has it right.

33:44 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, and I've actually given the link for this article.

33:48 Speaker 3: You can put it up later if you want, all right.

33:51 Speaker 3: So what happened is the same debate that we're having.

33:53 Speaker 3: This couple we're having do they call the police or not?

33:56 Speaker 3: And let me read a little bit of the quote here Most will also let you stay anonymous if you tell them.

34:03 Speaker 3: In other words, you call in and you go hey, somebody left me with this help and you call the police.

34:08 Speaker 3: This is the police kind of responding, saying you can remain anonymous, if it's no problem, then they will.

34:20 Speaker 3: They will walk away with absolutely no backlash.

34:21 Speaker 3: Better to be safe than sorry.

34:22 Speaker 3: This is the police talking.

34:22 Speaker 3: Then an actual cop commented with the same sentiment I'm a police offer officer, doesn't hurt to call.

34:28 Speaker 3: We'd show up two or three officers investigate what's going on.

34:32 Speaker 3: Best case it's a joke.

34:33 Speaker 3: Worst case they're being held up.

34:36 Speaker 3: I personally wouldn't arrest anyone involved, but would ask that they not do this again.

34:42 Speaker 3: If it were a joke, Ah, friendly cop, right.

34:45 Speaker 5: Jacob, yes, yes, very friendly.

34:47 Speaker 5: What could?

34:49 Speaker 3: go wrong, jacob?

34:50 Speaker 3: Oh boy, I don't know, it would be a very tough, tough call.

34:55 Speaker 3: Do I actually call the police that this cop is slinging this story?

34:58 Speaker 3: You get cops lie every day.

35:00 Speaker 3: They know, how to play good cop and they know how to play bad cop, which are really both bad cops, right yeah, bad cop, bad cuff, and there's no good cop one's just smiling at you, the the other is tasering you, so it's the same thing.

35:11 Speaker 3: So what he's saying is oh, you know, it's better to call and be safe than sorry.

35:18 Speaker 2: I mean the worst case.

35:19 Speaker 3: The worst case is we show up, somebody's being held up, we handle the situation.

35:25 Speaker 3: Then, if nothing's going on, we politely go over and go.

35:28 Speaker 3: Hey, you know that wouldn't be nice to do again.

35:31 Speaker 3: How about?

35:32 Speaker 2: does that?

35:32 Speaker 3: even sound like, does he not sound?

35:34 Speaker 5: like he's in fantasy land.

35:36 Speaker 5: Yes, fantasy land.

35:37 Speaker 5: There is no way all right.

35:42 Speaker 3: So what could possibly go wrong?

35:43 Speaker 3: We'll first play jury jot and then let's just play some things that could go wrong this.

35:51 Speaker 1: This is a jury.

35:51 Speaker 1: Jot.

35:52 Speaker 1: Jot the following down before serving on a jury, ready to jot it down.

35:58 Speaker 1: Do not be conned by the legal system, so that you might see the face of God, psalm 117, for the Lord is righteous, he loves justice.

36:12 Speaker 1: Upright men will see his face.

36:15 Speaker 1: The Consider podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

36:30 Speaker 3: Before we play these clips, Jacob, what could possibly go wrong?

36:34 Speaker 5: Well, I'm guessing a lot goes, because I don't know what's going to happen here.

36:38 Speaker 5: I'm guessing a lot goes wrong, since you keep asking the question what could go wrong?

36:43 Speaker 3: Well, not in this situation, of course, but let's see, they could shoot your dog.

36:47 Speaker 5: They could tase you.

36:48 Speaker 5: Oh, this is a hypothetical.

36:49 Speaker 5: We don't know what happened in this case.

36:51 Speaker 3: Just things you basically know in the news.

36:52 Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong?

36:54 Speaker 3: Oh, you could show up and say stop well, no, you could also like.

36:58 Speaker 5: You could be like well, I'm gonna report this, and then the cops show up and then they determine that it like was a joke, but then they turn around and arrest you for like wasting their time oh, who knows how many times do cops arrest the person that calls 9-1-1?

37:12 Speaker 5: Very common oh absolutely.

37:15 Speaker 3: Could they possibly show up, and it was a joke, but they wound up killing somebody oh yeah, oh yeah, they, oh they.

37:21 Speaker 5: The other person like had a knife at the restaurant.

37:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a restaurant, so who knows?

37:25 Speaker 3: they were cutting meat and then they shot them oh, it was a plastic fork, but the, the officer, felt threatened.

37:31 Speaker 3: Felt threatened, yeah.

37:32 Speaker 3: So they walk in and maybe somebody has an attitude, because not everybody just loves cops about them.

37:38 Speaker 3: Oh hey, how you doing, mr officer, you know, and they they don't.

37:42 Speaker 3: I remember when I got harassed at mcdonald's by the union called city police.

37:46 Speaker 3: I barely slipped through that situation.

37:48 Speaker 3: So this is not a black problem or white problem.

37:50 Speaker 3: This is the totally corrupt prosecutor, judge, police problem.

37:56 Speaker 3: A lot could go wrong.

37:57 Speaker 3: People could die.

37:58 Speaker 3: Somebody could have their dog right.

38:00 Speaker 3: They pull into mcdonald's, they got their little service dog going in, right, and the dog starts barking because no dog never barks at a police officer, right, correct.

38:09 Speaker 3: So the policeman feels threatened.

38:11 Speaker 3: What does he do?

38:11 Speaker 3: Shoot the dog, shoot the dog, taser the owner and go.

38:19 Speaker 3: I felt threatening.

38:20 Speaker 3: Some judge, like judge lori k smith or beth andres goes.

38:21 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's fun.

38:22 Speaker 3: You can line to wherever, right.

38:23 Speaker 3: A lot more could go wrong than could ever go, right, correct?

38:26 Speaker 3: All right, let's play a clip.

38:29 Speaker 3: Play this mother waiting in front of school.

38:33 Speaker 7: He tasered a mother with her children in a school parking lot.

38:37 Speaker 9: Lieutenant Furman, Melvindale Police Department.

38:39 Speaker 9: I'm a traffic enforcement officer.

38:41 Speaker 9: I'm a major driver's license attorney.

38:43 Speaker 9: You're on a tragic stop.

38:44 Speaker 9: Don't tell me one second.

38:45 Speaker 1: Hold on, sir.

38:46 Speaker 1: I'm giving you a lawful police order.

38:48 Speaker 9: You're going to be over inside of a school parking lot.

38:49 Speaker 9: It's a public access parking lot.

38:51 Speaker 9: I have full jurisdiction, just like I do that roadway.

38:53 Speaker 9: So lose the attitude and lose your instructed.

39:04 Speaker 7: You have to be prepared that there's on the road like Furman who are going to do this kind of crap.

39:07 Speaker 7: You have to have your license, registration and proof of insurance up in your visor, inside your trifold, ready to go.

39:12 Speaker 9: Hey turn the vehicle off right now I'll give you a lawful order, and I'm worried about my safety because you're not doing what I told you his goal is to escalate, to disorient her so that he can arrest her.

39:25 Speaker 7: But he's going to do far worse.

39:26 Speaker 9: I asked for your ID.

39:27 Speaker 9: Can I ask your mom to come here right quick.

39:29 Speaker 9: Please Give me your ID.

39:30 Speaker 9: No, I'm not giving you my ID.

39:32 Speaker 4: You have to run.

39:33 Speaker 4: Get out of the vehicle, get your hands off my face.

39:38 Speaker 9: I don't understand.

39:39 Speaker 9: I'm confused.

39:39 Speaker 9: You're going to be tasered.

39:41 Speaker 9: Help, help, help, help, help.

39:47 Speaker 9: Down to the ground.

39:48 Speaker 9: Taser the plane Down to the ground.

39:50 Speaker 9: Taser to play Down on the ground.

39:51 Speaker 9: Step out of the vehicle, out of the car.

39:53 Speaker 9: I told you numerous times give me the key and your ID.

39:59 Speaker 7: There is just no reason to put her in torture cuffs.

40:01 Speaker 7: There's no reason to treat people the way that this government has determined that we should be treated.

40:05 Speaker 7: It takes one governor in one state to change everything where we get rid of the incarceration system.

40:15 Speaker 3: You just want to weep when you watch that, don't you Jacob?

40:18 Speaker 5: I know there's almost no words.

40:22 Speaker 5: It's like obvious, and yet nothing changes.

40:29 Speaker 3: We went through the same thing with the city of Enumclaw, police and Washington state prosecutors.

40:33 Speaker 3: All right, go ahead and play the next one, the beat down.

40:38 Speaker 7: This guy spends 44 years in prison and the two women who lied about him show absolutely no remorse Back in 1977, vincent Simmons was just taking a walk through a park when police arrested him.

40:49 Speaker 4: out of nowhere.

40:50 Speaker 4: He was taken along with six other men for a lineup and, tragically, he was the one the girls picked, turns out, two 14-year-old white twins, karen and Sharon Sanders, had claimed that a black man had assaulted them on a remote back road.

41:02 Speaker 4: They said they met a black man at a bar while hanging out with their cousin, keith Laborde, and offered him a ride.

41:08 Speaker 4: They claimed that after getting into the car, the man pulled a knife, forced them into the trunk and then attacked them.

41:13 Speaker 4: And despite Simmons having an alibi backed by multiple witnesses, he was still found guilty.

41:18 Speaker 4: In the end, simmons was sentenced to 100 years in prison with no chance of parole.

41:22 Speaker 4: While locked up, simmons never stopped fighting to prove his innocence, but every request was denied.

41:27 Speaker 4: It wasn't until 1993, 16 years later, that he finally got copies of the hidden documents.

41:33 Speaker 4: Those files revealed shocking facts.

41:35 Speaker 4: Medical reports showed sharon sanders hyman was intact and neither of the twins had any bruises or signs of physical assault.

41:41 Speaker 4: The real story the twins lied trying to cover up inappropriate behavior with their cousin.

41:46 Speaker 4: Finally, in 2022, at 70 years old, vincent simmons walked free.

41:51 Speaker 4: No apology, no compensation, only his lawyer, justin Bonas, gripping his hand and telling him Free man, you free brother.

41:59 Speaker 4: You free.

42:01 Speaker 8: Meanwhile, the people responsible for stealing nearly half a century of his life said we still have our anxiety, we still have our depressions, we still have our fears.

42:11 Speaker 7: Sometimes and not just a woman, but anybody when they play the victim, they go through life and they tell everybody around them how they're a victim.

42:19 Speaker 7: They're a victim, they're a victim, and then everybody around them creates this ecosystem.

42:24 Speaker 7: This guy deserves $10 million more for 44 years of his life, and these two women should go to jail for what they've done.

42:32 Speaker 3: Look familiar Jacob.

42:34 Speaker 5: Look super familiar.

42:35 Speaker 3: Very familiar.

42:37 Speaker 3: I bet Prosecutor Simmons and Judge Beth Andrews and Judge Laurie K Smith are excited going oh yeah, that's great.

42:45 Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

42:46 Speaker 3: That's what we call justice, because they did the exact same thing.

42:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, that actually wasn't the beat down, but I put that in there because way way too familiar.

42:55 Speaker 3: And the part about the echo chamber, all of.

42:59 Speaker 3: If you're accused of a sexual crime in king county prosecutor's office, understand they have an echo chamber installed and every lie gets reinforced because they're not looking for liars, they're looking to reinforce any and every lying accusation for themselves.

43:19 Speaker 3: They literally have no interest in justice and that is provable.

43:24 Speaker 3: And you just go by considerinfo to discover that truth.

43:28 Speaker 3: Anything on that, jacob?

43:30 Speaker 3: No, all right, go ahead and play.

43:32 Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong?

43:34 Speaker 3: Let's do the next one, jacob.

43:35 Speaker 7: This is the actual beatdown three or four cops jump on a guy and then they just start wailing on him.

43:42 Speaker 7: This is a guy resisting.

43:43 Speaker 7: He can't be.

43:44 Speaker 7: There's over 600 pounds on top of him.

43:46 Speaker 7: Check this out.

43:47 Speaker 7: It's just a good old-fashioned beatdown.

43:53 Speaker 7: We see the cops punching him while his head is on the concrete.

43:59 Speaker 7: Then the cop grabs him by the hair and tries to slam his head into the concrete while the other cop is dropping knees into the man.

44:06 Speaker 7: The third cop then stands up and starts kicking the man from a standing position.

44:12 Speaker 7: If that was you or I, we'd be charged with attempted murder.

44:19 Speaker 7: This is absolutely disgusting.

44:20 Speaker 7: I'm going to put the unblurred version of this on X.

44:22 Speaker 7: Please pop over there and watch it.

44:26 Speaker 3: You know, jacob, when people go in for jury duty, I wish the prosecutors excuse me, let me rephrase that I wish the defense attorneys in Washington state would get their act together and push for that up on a video screen when somebody comes in for the jury pool, that the defense gets one hour to play any videos they want about the justice system and to put and I be glad to put it together.

44:51 Speaker 3: I'll be glad, but every journey they, they should at least go by youtube and look at all the abuse and spend one hour looking at this stuff before you ever, ever go into jury duty.

45:03 Speaker 3: Uh, I need to stop because we're gonna run out of time.

45:08 Speaker 3: All right, jacob, here's another good one.

45:10 Speaker 3: You're on a motorcycle.

45:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing bad stuff.

45:12 Speaker 3: You're trying to run out of time.

45:12 Speaker 3: All right, jacob, here's another good one.

45:12 Speaker 3: You're on a motorcycle.

45:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing bad stuff.

45:13 Speaker 3: You're trying to get away.

45:14 Speaker 3: Although running away from the cops anymore, that's justifiable on every level.

45:19 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you to do it, because it's only going to make things worse, but when somebody's after you and you know they're going to do you harm and the reputation is they're thugs and they will beat you down and falsely accuse you, what can be more natural than to run To flee?

45:35 Speaker 3: To flee, it's human instinct, all right.

45:38 Speaker 3: So motorcycle guy is doing his thing.

45:41 Speaker 4: That cop should be in jail this cop was trying to chase a speeding rider.

45:45 Speaker 4: Watch the way he stopped him, oh my.

45:49 Speaker 3: God, oh, give me an ambulance.

45:52 Speaker 3: I knocked him off his bike, he's unconscious.

45:55 Speaker 7: Most cops are pigs.

46:00 Speaker 8: Most cops are terrible, horrible, disgusting people.

46:03 Speaker 8: Calm down, calm down, crazy.

46:05 Speaker 7: Crazy.

46:06 Speaker 7: Now they'll say, oh, I'm just a person doing my job.

46:09 Speaker 7: No, you're not bro, You're a sadist.

46:11 Speaker 7: You signed up so that you could get behind someone, you could watch them lock up as they drive.

46:15 Speaker 7: You signed up so you could put torture cuffs on people.

46:18 Speaker 7: You signed up because you want to hurt people.

46:21 Speaker 5: That guy, the guy we keep using these clips wow, he's definitely going after him.

46:29 Speaker 3: He lays it out really clear.

46:30 Speaker 3: Why do you think I'm using it?

46:31 Speaker 3: Because he's not messing around.

46:32 Speaker 3: It's absolute truth at this point.

46:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see that kid that was on the bike he's seizuring.

46:40 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's twitching, he's twitching bad and these cold cops will go up and go calm down.

46:47 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, call.

46:47 Speaker 3: What do you mean calm down?

46:48 Speaker 3: Whatever you just been slammed.

46:51 Speaker 3: Your, your body's in shock.

46:53 Speaker 3: He's lucky he didn't get tasered well, and we don't.

46:56 Speaker 5: We don't know the outcome of that.

46:57 Speaker 5: The guy could have spinal injuries.

46:59 Speaker 5: That's why he's twitching.

47:01 Speaker 5: I mean, oh, who knows?

47:03 Speaker 3: absolutely Absolutely.

47:05 Speaker 3: What would happen if he?

47:06 Speaker 5: just Calm down.

47:07 Speaker 3: What Not chase the guy?

47:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, yeah or no.

47:11 Speaker 5: Okay, he's chasing the guy, but you don't have to-.

47:15 Speaker 5: Oh no, you don't have to ram him, like it's a video game.

47:21 Speaker 3: Not only that, I'm just saying okay, fine police, you can't catch everybody.

47:26 Speaker 3: Correct, there's a line between what endangers the individual and what's worth doing.

47:30 Speaker 3: He's not shooting anybody.

47:31 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I don't know why he's running, but whatever, on a logical you know what, the only reason he didn't get tasered.

47:38 Speaker 3: Can you tell me why he didn't get tasered, or even shot for that matter, jacob?

47:45 Speaker 5: No, I don't know why.

47:46 Speaker 5: Well.

47:46 Speaker 5: Well, because if he's well, if the cop already knows that he can't fight back, there's no need to tase, I guess oh, there you go.

47:54 Speaker 3: Why are you applying logic?

47:55 Speaker 3: You know, you know they, these cops, never go.

47:59 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to taser him and shoot him because he's so injured.

48:03 Speaker 3: I'm sympathetic, I don't well then, why?

48:05 Speaker 3: But why, I don't know because there's only one cop there oh, there's only one.

48:10 Speaker 5: Well, wait, well, there was only one cop with the other lady who he dragged out of the car well, I don't want to debate my.

48:17 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to hold that, this is a scientific fact.

48:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I, I think the late there may have been a cop in the background, but, and again, the that's the problem.

48:26 Speaker 3: There's no predicting this stuff.

48:27 Speaker 3: I'm just saying on this level, at this one, the reason why the cop seems to be reasonable, the pack mentality is not kicked in.

48:35 Speaker 3: If you had another cop there, or another cop, three cops there, the odds go way up, exponentially that he would have been tasered or certainly killed.

48:43 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, but I'm not arguing your point.

48:46 Speaker 3: It's meaningless really.

48:47 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, just somebody needs to pass some laws.

48:51 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously enumclaw detective grant mccall needs to be in prison.

48:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, that, and that's the minimum level to begin this process.

48:59 Speaker 3: But, whatever, nobody seems to be willing to even consider it all.

49:03 Speaker 3: Right, then let's play the last one.

49:04 Speaker 3: This area is called the pastor beat down, after all that to be willing to even consider it All right.

49:06 Speaker 3: Then let's play the last one.

49:06 Speaker 3: This is called the Pastor Beatdown, after all that, to be attacked to not be able to fight back.

49:10 Speaker 4: I want to supervise you here, tyrant.

49:12 Speaker 8: It started as a verbal dispute outside a Worcester Baptist church and within minutes escalated as Reverend Joseph Rizzuti Sr was chased into the church by police.

49:21 Speaker 8: Their body cam video showing the chaotic frenzy.

49:24 Speaker 3: Three years nobody knew what happened police their body cam video showing the chaotic frenzy.

49:27 Speaker 8: Three years nobody knew what happened.

49:28 Speaker 8: Now the video re-does it all the sounds of the reverend being tased A civil suit claiming three times and allegedly longer than regulations allow I need an ambulance.

49:35 Speaker 8: He says he never resisted arrest but was defending himself, his son and pregnant daughter-in-law.

49:40 Speaker 8: They were acquitted of charges including assault and battery on a police officer and resisting arrest.

49:45 Speaker 7: It didn't bring much relief, as your reputation gets damaged and the pain that my family went through.

49:51 Speaker 7: You leave your loved one in the hands of these demons.

49:54 Speaker 7: They will kill them.

49:55 Speaker 7: You have to be able to push the cops back.

49:57 Speaker 7: I'm not saying the Fifth Amendment cop card is going to always push the cops back, but if you follow a rigid set of policies, procedures and protocols, the chances of you getting out of there are a lot better.

50:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, so maybe not.

50:10 Speaker 5: Maybe.

50:10 Speaker 5: So yeah, Any comments?

50:11 Speaker 3: Jacob no, this stuff's very real.

50:15 Speaker 3: The City of Enumclaw police literally ran us out of town as a church because Radical Baptist City of Enumclaw detective grant mccall didn't like our church.

50:28 Speaker 3: It really was.

50:29 Speaker 3: I mean, he was a cop, therefore anything was acceptable for him to do.

50:33 Speaker 3: And the destruction that king county prosecutors did, right, jason simmons and all the other people I could list again.

50:39 Speaker 3: Go back to considercom.

50:40 Speaker 3: This stuff is very, very real and what's happening is and I'm not going to use the word good cop, but the honest cop is leaving.

50:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no such thing as a good cop, because there's no such thing as a good person.

50:55 Speaker 3: But the honest cop who merely does his job, doesn't escalate situations, and even then I'm just, they're not that honest because they're not turning in the other cops that aren't.

51:07 Speaker 3: But that said, they're leaving that whole thing.

51:10 Speaker 3: All right, this, actually this whole area of justice, went on just a little longer than I had in mind, jacob, any comments or anything on that?

51:19 Speaker 3: No, all right, since we were talking about computers and quantum mechanics and all that.

51:24 Speaker 3: This next session is going to be a little bit long, but it's worth doing.

51:27 Speaker 3: Have you heard of the Omega Code?

51:29 Speaker 3: No, the Omega Code was discovered by a quantum computer.

51:36 Speaker 3: Did you bring your crayon with you?

51:41 Speaker 3: I do have crayons, yes, and did you pull out your favorite?

51:45 Speaker 3: Because I'm very scientific here and so when you're explaining to the layman, you bring in the most basic element.

51:52 Speaker 3: Did you bring your coloring sheet with you?

51:53 Speaker 3: I have a coloring sheet.

51:54 Speaker 3: Yes, what is the picture on the coloring sheet?

52:00 Speaker 5: It is of two men on horses.

52:03 Speaker 5: Are they cowboys?

52:05 Speaker 5: Yes, they look very cowboyish.

52:08 Speaker 5: One has a cowboy hat.

52:10 Speaker 5: They've got like, you know, like those little roll bag saddle things, I don't know.

52:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very cowboyish Western.

52:18 Speaker 3: Are they the ones that stole America?

52:22 Speaker 5: I'm kidding, don't even go there, that's not my point.

52:25 Speaker 3: All right, jacob, take your crayon, okay, and start filling in a section.

52:29 Speaker 3: You know, just kind of highlighting and all that I got to get some brown Get as close to the line without going over the line when you color, you know, when you're a kid I don't know whether they do it now or not and say you know, don't color outside the lines, kind of thing.

52:45 Speaker 5: I don't know whether they do it now or not and say you know, don't color outside the lines, kind of thing.

52:47 Speaker 5: Yes, I do know.

52:48 Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep.

52:48 Speaker 5: Do they still do?

52:48 Speaker 3: that?

52:48 Speaker 3: Or are you supposed to color outside the lines and be chaotic?

52:51 Speaker 5: I tell my kid to stay in the lines.

The Omega Code: Quantum Computing Mystery

52:54 Speaker 3: Well, we may want to cut that part out, all right, anyway, so you start coloring, get as close to the line as possible, but don't go over the line.

53:01 Speaker 3: Correct, you can color on the line, but don't go over the line.

53:05 Speaker 3: Yes, now what would you expect and anticipate to happen as you attempt to do that?

53:15 Speaker 5: I mean, my whole goal is that none goes over the line but a tiny bit.

53:19 Speaker 5: I mean, if you had a microscope I'm sure I went over somewhere.

53:23 Speaker 3: Correct, it's going to go over the line.

53:26 Speaker 3: There's no way that it's going to become more perfect, right?

53:29 Speaker 5: Correct, unless you like, sat here for countless hours and maybe you don't go over the line, but then at some point you didn't probably fill it all in.

53:37 Speaker 5: You, microscopically, are not coloring it at all.

53:40 Speaker 3: That's right.

53:40 Speaker 3: It's going to get the closer you get to trying to do it, it's going to get what we will call more chaotic.

53:48 Speaker 3: Yes, you're not quite close to the line, then you go over the line.

53:50 Speaker 3: Then you, even if you get on the line, the crayon is going to be thick enough that it's going to go over the line.

53:57 Speaker 3: It would take a huge amount of effort to perfectly color up to the line or on the line and not go over the line or not even be shaded up to the line, right, correct?

54:09 Speaker 3: So you don't expect more perfection, you expect more chaos, correct, correct?

54:16 Speaker 3: That's what's happening with quantum computers and we're not going to be able to get into all the details.

54:22 Speaker 3: But what they discovered was this weird phenomenon that when you begin to run a quantum computer, you bump into what's called an omega code and things get more perfect and not chaotic, which should not exist.

54:36 Speaker 3: And the implication of this is that one consciousness could happen on a computer.

54:44 Speaker 3: Two, that it's as if somebody designed a secure code to keep you from going to that perfect state.

54:53 Speaker 3: Another way to put that is that when somebody's writing software code that they don't want somebody to actually discover the code, what do they do.

55:04 Speaker 3: They encrypt it right so you can use the code, you can move through it, you can put its tools to work.

55:10 Speaker 3: But if you actually try to get to the code, it's encrypted, and that's what these scientists are comparing this to, and weird things happen.

55:20 Speaker 3: They got up to the Omega code and all of a sudden the computer locked up.

55:25 Speaker 3: Not only did this perfect state happen, happen many times, the computer would just lock up and it took serious, hard reboots to get the computers to go again, and even in a couple cases, the whole area turned blue.

55:38 Speaker 3: There was this kind of blue glow or glow or orb kind of thing surrounding it and the equipment began to malfunction.

55:47 Speaker 3: Things began to be erased and what their conclusion is that someone had designed it to keep mankind from discovering the source code.

55:58 Speaker 3: So now that I've probably confused everybody, totally go ahead and play this Omega code, because what this has implications for obviously is the mark of the beast and we're not going to be able to go into that today.

56:10 Speaker 3: I just want us to look at these scientists who can discover the omega code, but there's no god, so we have this bubble bath of universes.

56:20 Speaker 5: So there was something before Genesis, chapter 1, verse 1.

56:25 Speaker 2: In February 2025, a Sycamore-class quantum processor was running a routine entanglement experiment when, buried deep in the expected decoherence noise, an impossible pattern emerged a perfectly recursive, self-similar sequence of qubit outputs repeating across multiple runs, as if resisting degradation Omega Pattern.

56:46 Speaker 2: It wasn't a glitch, it was a message, and as soon as researchers realized its significance, the logs went dark.

56:53 Speaker 2: The Omega Pattern emerges.

56:55 Speaker 2: Imagine a universe where randomness is sacred, where true quantum noise is the ultimate source of unpredictability.

57:02 Speaker 2: Now imagine pulling from that noise a flawless fractal sequence that evolves, folds back on itself and echoes through Hilbert space like a cosmic mantra.

57:12 Speaker 2: That is the Omega Pattern.

57:14 Speaker 2: Within seconds of its discovery, someone in the lab whispered we were never supposed to see this.

57:20 Speaker 2: A single slide in an internal report flagged it as statistically impossible, yet not random.

57:27 Speaker 2: When outside auditors arrived, they found blank pages where the data had been.

57:31 Speaker 2: All mentions of Omega were stripped from the control systems, but whispers traveled through the corridors.

57:37 Speaker 2: Something had been discovered that shattered our assumptions about quantum mechanics and someone had deliberately tried to bury it.

57:44 Speaker 2: Gödel Turing and forbidden knowledge.

57:46 Speaker 2: To understand why the Omega pattern matters, we need to rewind to the early days of theoretical computer science In the 1930s.

57:54 Speaker 2: Kurt Gödel showed that within any formal system there are true statements that can never be proved.

58:00 Speaker 2: Alan Turing took this further, defining the halting problem and introducing the notion of an uncomputable constant, omega, which encodes the probability that a random program will eventually halt.

58:13 Speaker 2: It's a number that exists yet cannot be fully known.

58:16 Speaker 2: Fast forward to 2025.

58:18 Speaker 2: Quantum machines promise to upend computation itself, tackling problems classical computers could never touch.

58:25 Speaker 2: But even quantum supremacy had its boundaries Decoherence, error correction and sheer randomness.

58:32 Speaker 2: Then the Omega Pattern appeared like Godel's forbidden constant, slipping through the cracks of quantum hardware.

58:38 Speaker 2: Researchers realized the name Omega Pattern wasn't idle poetic license.

58:43 Speaker 2: It echoed that unresolvable mystery, the Hilbert space attractor theory.

58:48 Speaker 2: The first major interpretation came from Dr Lina Cho, a leading theorist at ETH Zurich.

58:53 Speaker 2: She proposed that the Omega Pattern represents a fixed point in Hilbert space, an informational bottleneck that resists observation.

59:01 Speaker 2: In her words, it's as if the universe is coded to repel our gaze at this threshold.

59:07 Speaker 2: According to Cho, the pattern behaves like an error correcting code.

59:11 Speaker 2: Only here it corrects itself into a self-referential Loop, blocking further inquiry.

59:17 Speaker 2: Her colleagues tested variations in temperature, entanglement depth and qubit topology.

59:23 Speaker 2: The omega pattern persisted and where it appeared, the machine's readout fidelity spiked to near-classical certainty.

59:30 Speaker 2: A paradox, since quantum data should never become more predictable.

59:34 Speaker 2: Under entanglement strain, something in the hardware was aligning with the pattern, reinforcing it as though it recognized itself.

59:43 Speaker 2: Replication and the Mirror Omega.

59:44 Speaker 2: When a team at an international lab tried to replicate ETH Zurich's setup, their QPU didn't just show the Omega pattern, it locked into a frozen state of undefined entropy.

59:55 Speaker 2: The readout chamber glowed in steady shades of violet for hours.

59:58 Speaker 2: Engineers eventually forced a hard reset and retrieved raw qubit logs, only to find a complementary mirror omega pattern, not identical but woven together with the original like two halves of a hologram.

1:00:12 Speaker 2: When superimposed, the two sequences formed a symmetry reminiscent of deep space error correction codes, those proposed for interstellar communication.

1:00:22 Speaker 2: That's where things get strange.

1:00:23 Speaker 2: It wasn't just code, it was broadcasting.

1:00:26 Speaker 2: Whoever or whatever created the omega pattern designed it to be hidden in quantum chaos but recoverable across distant systems.

1:00:35 Speaker 2: Philosophical reflection Is randomness an illusion?

1:00:38 Speaker 2: We pause here for a moment of reflection.

1:00:41 Speaker 2: What if the bedrock of modern physics true randomness is?

1:00:42 Speaker 2: We pause here for a moment of reflection.

1:00:42 Speaker 2: What if the bedrock of modern physics, true randomness, is not a feature of nature but a deliberate smoke screen in every Quantum experiment?

1:00:50 Speaker 2: The collapse of the wave function is our ultimate unknown.

1:00:53 Speaker 2: We treat it as an unassailable fact, a dice roll at reality's foundation.

1:00:58 Speaker 2: But some thinkers propose that quantum uncertainty is less an ontological truth and more a metaphysical firewall preventing us from peering behind nature's curtain.

1:01:08 Speaker 2: Consider the analogy of digital rights management DRM in software, developers hide source code behind encryption to protect proprietary logic.

1:01:17 Speaker 2: Now imagine reality itself employs a similar trick.

1:01:20 Speaker 2: Every time we measure a photon or observe the electron spin, the universe enforces an error that obscures deeper order.

1:01:28 Speaker 2: The fluctuations we chalk up to chance could be part of an inbuilt subroutine, one that scrambles our probes just enough to keep certain patterns like omega hidden from cursory inspection.

1:01:40 Speaker 2: Max Tegmark's mathematical universe hypothesis takes this a step further.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: He argues that the universe is a mathematical object, not merely described by mathematics.

1:01:50 Speaker 2: If that's true, then its code must include both the theorems it obeys and the theorems it prohibits us from proving.

1:01:57 Speaker 2: In software terms, it's not just the functions that run, but also the guard clauses that refuse forbidden calls.

1:02:03 Speaker 2: The omega pattern, in this view, becomes the universe's checksum or integrity check, an internal test that triggers a self-censoring response whenever our measurements approach too close to fundamental constraints.

1:02:20 Speaker 3: A lot there.

1:02:21 Speaker 3: Did you get it, Jacob?

1:02:23 Speaker 5: uh, I got part of it, but it's very interesting yeah, I actually had to shorten this thing down.

1:02:29 Speaker 3: There's so many ramifications to this that one I'd be overqualified, overqualified, be underqualified to even attempt it.

1:02:37 Speaker 3: Um, but any couple takeaway, or one takeaway, because what I did is I watched it several times and go, okay, well, that's a takeaway and that's a takeaway, and the part that I had to cut out was that consciousness seemed to be achieved by this quantum computer because of this phenomenon, and they were explaining what consciousness is and I got lost in all of that.

1:03:00 Speaker 3: So, backing up with this, any quick takeaway.

1:03:06 Speaker 5: I think there's another scripture that I don't remember the reference.

1:03:09 Speaker 5: But the Lord has to come back because we would destroy ourselves.

1:03:14 Speaker 5: Technically, I think.

1:03:14 Speaker 5: He says nothing would be impossible for us.

1:03:17 Speaker 5: So right now these things are a mystery and maybe we'll never know.

1:03:21 Speaker 5: But if we did ever know, we'll just destroy ourselves eventually.

1:03:26 Speaker 3: That's absolutely true.

1:03:27 Speaker 3: I think the easy takeaway for me on this is it's a firewall that God laid down the basic mathematical formula for the universe and then he added a firewall of what we call randomness or chaos, so that we could never see it.

1:03:45 Speaker 3: And the closer we get to it, the chaos interjects itself.

1:03:48 Speaker 3: But then every once, while we're getting close enough with quantum computers, that it slips through and we can see oh, there is a firewall, there is that crayon phenomena that, hey, we shouldn't be getting a more perfect drawing, it should be a little more sloppy.

1:04:02 Speaker 3: No matter how much we try, does that make sense?

1:04:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.

1:04:07 Speaker 3: Well, let me take it down to a level that we all can appreciate and let's go to matthew, chapter 10, verse 28.

1:04:13 Speaker 3: Again, we don't have time to look at it, but it really does make the whole concept of the power of the beast and the Antichrist and all of that sharply come into focus.

1:04:26 Speaker 3: Of here, of what kind of power could happen that it could be a conscious computer, because we don't even understand exactly what consciousness is and what that means.

1:04:35 Speaker 3: Nor am I really concerned with it, because I do know there's a reality of a hell and a heaven and a relationship with God, and that's kind of all I need meaning.

1:04:45 Speaker 3: Oh sure, if God gave me the wisdom, I would thoroughly enjoy it.

1:04:48 Speaker 3: But Matthew, chapter 28, 10, 28,.

1:04:52 Speaker 3: Why don't you read down to verse 30, jacob, and then we'll just bring this together.

1:04:58 Speaker 5: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

1:05:02 Speaker 5: Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

1:05:08 Speaker 3: Let me stop you just right there and then I'll let you read on.

1:05:10 Speaker 3: None of these scientists are looking at this and going hell could be really real.

1:05:14 Speaker 3: If all of these things are true, and even they have to admit.

1:05:20 Speaker 3: If all of these things are true and even they have to admit, did someone, some entity, whatever create this and that has that kind of power to hide that and to do that, do we not think hell could actually really be a reality?

God's Mathematical Universe

1:05:34 Speaker 3: And we can't even fathom what that hell would be like.

1:05:38 Speaker 3: We couldn't even get close, no more than we can fathom quantum mechanics and how the universe itself was created, nor how it's going to end.

1:05:44 Speaker 3: We can take God's word for it.

1:05:46 Speaker 3: But that's about it.

1:05:48 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, all right, go on to read verse 29, because once we have the fear there, then we can get to the love of God.

1:05:56 Speaker 5: Are not two sparrows sold for a penny?

1:05:59 Speaker 5: Yet not one of them will fall to the ground, apart from the will of your father.

1:06:06 Speaker 3: Okay, hang on just a second.

1:06:07 Speaker 3: Even with that, does that not spell for you mathematical genius?

1:06:17 Speaker 5: Well, the first thing that comes to mind is not mathematical genius.

1:06:20 Speaker 5: The first thing that comes to mind is simply that God is all-powerful.

1:06:25 Speaker 3: Okay, verse 30 might help you.

1:06:28 Speaker 3: Clearly, our God loves mathematics.

1:06:31 Speaker 3: Yes, just based on quantum computers and basic things that we know and Einstein's famous equation EM squared over two or whatever it is.

1:06:42 Speaker 3: I probably got that wrong.

1:06:43 Speaker 3: Anyway, god clearly is a mathematical God.

1:06:49 Speaker 3: That's one area that he loves, correct, in fact?

1:06:52 Speaker 3: Read verse 30 there and we'll kind of put this together.

1:06:55 Speaker 5: And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

1:07:00 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:07:00 Speaker 3: So verse 29 is talking about that God's all-powerful, that he knows everything that's going on.

1:07:05 Speaker 3: But in verse 30, jesus is kind of telling us how he knows these things.

1:07:10 Speaker 3: I mean, he could have just simply said look, god knows everything.

1:07:15 Speaker 3: How many birds in the air, how many fall to the ground.

1:07:18 Speaker 3: He's aware of all that.

1:07:18 Speaker 3: But is he not hinting to us how he knows these things?

1:07:25 Speaker 5: Well, I feel like it's just well he's hinting how he knows these things or he's going.

1:07:30 Speaker 5: He's just like it's going down to, not a microscopic level, but he's getting down to a very fine level, which is hairs, because hairs are very, very tiny.

1:07:39 Speaker 3: But they're numbered?

1:07:40 Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm after Matthew 10, 30, are not the very hairs of your head all numbered?

1:07:46 Speaker 3: So we're made within the realms of mathematical formulas?

1:07:52 Speaker 3: Look, that removes it.

1:07:55 Speaker 3: I don't want it to remove, the love of God and all of that.

1:07:58 Speaker 3: I'm just giving you kind of the mechanics or the quantum computing of what's involved and keep coming back at me if you're not getting this.

1:08:05 Speaker 3: And I mean again, this is not like into the world, because the main point here is that if God has numbered every hair on my head and he's comparing that to the birds in the air, would he not know the number of birds?

1:08:18 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, he knows it all.

1:08:20 Speaker 5: Well, in verse 29 it also says that they will not fall to the ground apart from the will of the Father.

1:08:27 Speaker 5: So then we get into the will of the Father too, right?

1:08:33 Speaker 3: And really, yes, the will of the Father.

1:08:35 Speaker 3: And so the question would kind of be and we're having fun with it here is how does god move his will along?

1:08:42 Speaker 3: For instance, let's just say we, we want to build a building.

1:08:47 Speaker 3: You go see an architect and then they mathematically figure out the stress loads for the beams and how tall it can be and what the foundation be could be, right, correct.

1:08:55 Speaker 3: So you got a lot of math involved.

1:08:58 Speaker 3: Yes, that's a subtext within here that you've got God making birds and he's concerned for these birds, and his will is that these species of birds be made, and that I be so concerned with mankind and creating mankind that I'm going to watch over him.

1:09:14 Speaker 3: And behind this is the mathematical aspect of that.

1:09:19 Speaker 3: That's all that really, I'm trying to communicate at the moment.

1:09:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, does that make sense or not make sense?

1:09:26 Speaker 3: That makes sense.

1:09:27 Speaker 3: Okay, then take us out of here.

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