Leadership Part 4 Prosecutor Jason Simmons Bible Study Time

Selfish Ambition is a Crime

0:06 Speaker 1: It's Prosecution.

0:07 Speaker 1: Jason Simmons Bible Study Time, part 4.

0:11 Speaker 1: Lesson to learn Selfish ambition is a crime.

0:16 Speaker 1: James 3, 14-16.

0:19 Speaker 1: But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.

0:27 Speaker 1: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual of the devil.

0:35 Speaker 1: For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

0:42 Speaker 1: Disorder and every evil practice, the consider podcast examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

0:57 Speaker 3: let us continue to answer prosecutor jason simmons and judge Lori K Smith's accusation of a question of what was the leadership like at Sound Doctrine Church.

1:11 Speaker 3: We're going to consider the vast difference between leadership in the office of King County prosecutor's office and the office and I'm putting office in quote of Sound Doctrine Church.

1:23 Speaker 3: How's it going, jacob?

1:24 Speaker 3: Going good.

1:30 Speaker 3: There's no comparison between what goes on in King County Prosecutor's offices in terms of leadership and what went on at Sound Doctrine Church Couldn't even relate to it.

1:38 Speaker 3: I might logically be able to lay it out for Prosecutor Simmons, but you know what the best he will be able to do I mean the very best he'll be able to do is to for prosecutor Simmons, but you know what.

1:44 Speaker 3: The best he will be able to do I mean the very best he'll be able to do is to logically agree that the logic is there, but understanding it you have to experience, and only that comes from the living God.

1:55 Speaker 3: Jacob, anything going on, anything you want to express, talk about or lay out before we get started.

2:02 Speaker 4: Nope, not right now.

2:04 Speaker 3: All right, excellent.

2:04 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and we're going to go to Luke, chapter 9, verse 44, and begin to talk about the fact that if you're going to talk about leadership at Sound Doctrine Church, you're going to have to reject everything and all concepts you ever had about leadership, and that would include in the church.

2:24 Speaker 3: Jacob, you've been to other churches, you've visited, you've looked at it.

2:28 Speaker 3: There's really no comparison to what you've discovered out there and to what was in San Dr Church.

2:35 Speaker 3: Am I correct or am I off base.

2:37 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, 100% correct.

2:38 Speaker 3: Then when we get into, in fact, most of the time most churches are pretty much organized just like King County office and everybody's trying to jockey for their position and get what they want out of the church and voice their opinion.

2:50 Speaker 3: I know you have more so sat in meetings in a church and there's always a naysayer.

2:58 Speaker 3: There's always this question over here and everybody wants a piece of something for themselves that they have in mind right.

3:04 Speaker 4: Sure, A lot of times people have their own agenda, right.

3:09 Speaker 3: Agenda or opinion.

3:10 Speaker 3: Everybody certainly has their own opinion, oh yeah.

3:12 Speaker 4: You definitely.

3:13 Speaker 4: Maybe, like you don't even disagree with what leadership's doing, but you just want to give your opinion, like I just want to put it out there.

Leadership Differences: Sound Doctrine vs. King County

3:22 Speaker 4: That's a very common thing.

3:22 Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, put it out there, go from there.

3:23 Speaker 3: That's a very common thing.

3:24 Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, put it out there, go from there.

3:25 Speaker 3: And that's just human sinful nature.

3:28 Speaker 3: And it took a long time for the apostles or really the disciples that were following Jesus at the time but the apostles to learn that lesson.

3:36 Speaker 3: I mean we can get all the way up to the Last Supper.

3:40 Speaker 3: They've been with Jesus for three and a half years.

3:43 Speaker 3: They've raised the dead, They've healed the sick, They've faced persecution.

3:47 Speaker 3: They've listened to Jesus teach.

3:49 Speaker 3: They've watched him confront Pharisee and Sadducee and rich people and poor people.

3:54 Speaker 3: They've watched and listened to everything that Jesus said.

3:57 Speaker 3: In fact, they even taught what Jesus taught, correct, I mean, they went around.

4:02 Speaker 3: Jesus sent them into towns ahead of time.

4:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd send them out.

4:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said Jesus come.

4:06 Speaker 3: So we're talking about?

4:07 Speaker 3: They were teachers, they were leaders, they were out preaching and they were doing this on firsthand basis of knowing Jesus Christ, but they were completely stupid, dull, dumb when it came to the understanding of what leadership is about.

4:24 Speaker 3: There's a lot of churches they're not even going to be able to relate what we're going to look at here, because they don't allow God to break them of self and of pride.

4:35 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and listen to the audio part of Luke 9, 44.

4:40 Speaker 3: And the setting again is at the Last Supper.

4:43 Speaker 3: So it's three and a half years.

4:45 Speaker 3: They're sitting together, jesus is saying he's going to be betrayed and die on the cross and all they can really talk about is who's the greatest in terms of leadership?

4:55 Speaker 3: Go ahead and play that and we'll come back and examine it.

4:59 Speaker 2: Luke 9, 44 through 48.

5:01 Speaker 2: While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you.

5:10 Speaker 2: The Son of man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

5:13 Speaker 2: But they did not understand what this meant.

5:16 Speaker 2: It was hidden from them so that they did not grasp it and they were afraid to ask him about it.

5:22 Speaker 2: An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest.

5:27 Speaker 2: Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him.

5:33 Speaker 2: Then he said to them Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me, for he who is least among you all, he is the greatest.

5:48 Speaker 3: Actually I need to correct myself there.

5:50 Speaker 3: This is not actually at the Lord's Supper, but the same argument happens at the Lord's Supper.

5:54 Speaker 3: So what you're going to see here is a continual theme where these disciples continue to want to jockey for the best position, want to know what their position is.

6:05 Speaker 3: At Sound Doctrine Church there was none of that, because obviously we learned from their lesson and God brought about the power of the cross into our lives.

6:13 Speaker 3: So you didn't, jacob.

6:14 Speaker 3: You let everybody know.

6:16 Speaker 3: Was anybody jockeying to be in a position of leadership?

6:20 Speaker 3: No, in fact, in the last episodes we've talked about the seriousness of leadership.

6:25 Speaker 3: Yep, exactly, and when that's laid out clearly, very I don't very correct.

6:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, who's raising their hand and jumping up and down?

6:33 Speaker 4: I want to be judged more harshly totally.

6:37 Speaker 3: Um, you can find that in some places, but, um, not at sound doctrine church, because it was just laid out way way too clearly.

6:45 Speaker 3: A couple things as we pass through this.

6:47 Speaker 3: In Luke 9, 44, the first part of that it says while everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to the disciples there's always this sober aspect of Jesus.

6:59 Speaker 3: Here's Jesus healing people, preaching, casting out demons, all kinds of powerful things, right, and so they're marveling at it, they're excited about that.

7:07 Speaker 3: And this is kind of a sub-question for Simmons where he goes what attracted you to Sound Doctrine Church?

7:12 Speaker 3: Well, there wasn't anything.

7:14 Speaker 3: Or if there were things that the flesh was attracted to, or you say, hey, I'd like to be a part of a Jesus that feeds 5,000 people I don't ever have to go grocery shopping again.

7:27 Speaker 3: Jesus immediately talks about the seriousness of the cross.

7:30 Speaker 3: So the two go hand in hand.

7:31 Speaker 3: And when Sound Doctrine Church was put on trial, what happened is there was all these good things that were at Sound Doctrine Church, but that wasn't mentioned by all the individuals that either turned their back on Jesus Christ and no longer wanted to carry their cross, or those that were just hostile to Jesus in general, which is most of the world actually and what they would do is just emphasize all the negative things that Jesus said and that's what Simmons played to and that he took their hatred, denied the truth and we'll see more again.

7:59 Speaker 3: And James says that they deny the truth and that's because of selfish ambition.

8:02 Speaker 3: Let me read it again While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples now he's teaching.

8:12 Speaker 3: Disciples know this, people like Simmons and other people.

8:13 Speaker 3: Jesus isn't talking to them, he's not telling them.

8:14 Speaker 3: They can't even get close.

8:16 Speaker 3: Now the disciples are not going to get this, but at least Jesus at this point is teaching them because he knows later on, once self and pride and selfish ambition have been crucified and put to death and dealt a powerful blow, and humility is there, this is all going to come back to life.

8:31 Speaker 3: This is, oh, this is what he meant, this is what it's about and they're going to rejoice in it.

8:36 Speaker 3: Since king, county prosecutors, they certainly refuse to be broken, don't they, jacob?

8:40 Speaker 3: Yes, they continue with the same darkness, the same lies.

8:44 Speaker 3: They quote-unquote, investigate themselves, of course, find themselves innocent, and then they cover up how they investigate themselves.

8:51 Speaker 3: I mean, they protected a cop who literally structured accusations from a witness that had already a false witness, that had already been manipulated, and the police in Enumclaw further built that on, and then King County prosecutors went from there on that.

Jesus Teaches True Leadership

9:06 Speaker 3: So humility is the last thing that's in the King County courthouse, all right.

9:12 Speaker 3: So Jesus goes on.

9:13 Speaker 3: He says listen carefully to what I'm about to tell you.

9:16 Speaker 3: They're all excited, they're all marveling, are they not, jacob?

9:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be too If you were following Jesus.

9:22 Speaker 3: And he's raising the dead and healing the sick.

9:25 Speaker 3: And I kind of keep repeating this, but think of all the good things that he did.

9:29 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, miracles.

9:30 Speaker 3: You'd want to rejoice in those Go ahead.

9:32 Speaker 4: Well, just the miracles.

9:33 Speaker 4: You'd be fascinated, You'd be marveling, You'd be like you've never seen this before, ever.

9:39 Speaker 4: Oh, and certainly the contrast of the Pharisees and Sadducees, which were always what?

9:45 Speaker 4: Pretty much not belittling the people, but you know it was horrible, right, the Pharisees at the time it was miserable.

9:51 Speaker 3: They considered themselves above the people.

9:53 Speaker 3: They understood the scriptures.

9:54 Speaker 3: At one point they'll go there's a curse on the mob.

9:56 Speaker 3: In other words.

9:57 Speaker 3: They're brainwashed it was that kind of.

9:59 Speaker 3: But when Jesus comes along and actually even cares about them at all, it's amazing, absolutely, and that's normal.

10:08 Speaker 3: So jesus goes away from the.

10:08 Speaker 3: He immediately comes.

10:09 Speaker 3: He says listen carefully to what I'm about to tell you.

10:11 Speaker 3: The son of man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men now.

10:16 Speaker 3: Verse 45 what does it say, jacob?

10:18 Speaker 4: that first sentence there, but they did not understand what this meant.

10:25 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, how can I explain this?

10:27 Speaker 3: Many times with much of my sermons they don't get it.

10:33 Speaker 3: This is not an arrogant statement.

10:35 Speaker 3: This is the nature of Scripture.

10:37 Speaker 3: It's above where they are at, whether mentally or spiritually or in their heart, but they did not understand what he meant.

10:46 Speaker 3: But as they move forward and as they continue to follow Jesus Christ and as they don't turn their back on him, they begin to understand and God is able to open their minds and their hearts to understand what the secret wisdom is of God.

10:59 Speaker 3: In fact, it says in verse 45, go ahead and read the rest of that, jacob.

11:03 Speaker 4: But they did not understand what this meant.

11:05 Speaker 4: It was hidden from them so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

11:12 Speaker 3: You see God at this point.

11:14 Speaker 3: It actually says it was hidden from them.

11:16 Speaker 3: Now, jacob, why do you think God is hiding it from them?

11:23 Speaker 4: Somehow it was well, if it's hiding it from them.

11:28 Speaker 4: Earlier jesus says that he it's.

11:30 Speaker 4: He's talking to his disciples and so the lord is working it on purpose.

11:37 Speaker 4: Like they need to fail, they need to.

11:40 Speaker 4: Oh well, their sin needs to be exposed, their true self, and then later they're going to remember his words.

11:47 Speaker 3: I really like the way you put that.

11:48 Speaker 3: They need to fail.

11:50 Speaker 3: They need to fail, they need to be frustrated, they need to get beyond their understanding.

11:57 Speaker 3: You know how can I compare this?

12:00 Speaker 3: Think of a child that you're teaching right, and it's a concept you know is above them, but you're going to tell them about it anyway because that's part of the learning process.

12:07 Speaker 3: So you tell them and sometimes you're like okay, I got it, I got it.

12:11 Speaker 3: And then you know they're going to go out and fail because they don't get it.

12:14 Speaker 3: They think they've got it but they don't.

12:18 Speaker 3: Jesus and God cannot reveal it to them because they would just run with it in their sinful nature.

12:24 Speaker 3: It was hidden from them so they did not grasp it.

12:28 Speaker 3: There's a lot of times, and there's other reasons for this.

12:31 Speaker 3: For one thing, god will come to us, Like right now there's an issue I'm praying about.

12:34 Speaker 3: I'm going Lord.

12:35 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.

12:36 Speaker 3: I've never experienced that before.

12:39 Speaker 3: What is that?

12:40 Speaker 3: And I still don't have it.

12:41 Speaker 3: He hasn't told me what it is and it's really almost more of an experience kind of thing, but he's, at least I think, poking my spirit and my heart to go okay, what is this?

12:51 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, he's working.

12:59 Speaker 3: Humility, dependence upon him and going past the well.

13:00 Speaker 3: Whether I understand this or not, I'm still going to love you.

13:01 Speaker 3: And I know that would get revealed somewhere down the line.

13:04 Speaker 3: It was hidden from them so they did not grasp it and they were afraid to ask him about it.

13:09 Speaker 3: So it kind of goes hand in hand.

13:10 Speaker 3: They're learning a little bit with Jesus.

13:12 Speaker 3: Like you know, we've asked some things in the past, or you know, like Peter for example, what was he called Jacob by Jesus?

13:23 Speaker 4: He said get behind me.

13:29 Speaker 3: Oh, satan, he was called satan.

13:30 Speaker 4: So would you not be a little more closed mouth about yeah?

13:31 Speaker 3: yeah, asking jesus a question like a little slower.

13:34 Speaker 3: A little slower to open your mouth yeah, that would sting a little bit, wouldn't it like?

13:38 Speaker 4: yes, oh yeah yeah, get behind me especially especially when peter had said that in front of everyone, right, correct.

13:46 Speaker 4: And then right here in this verse, they're all trying to figure out who's the greatest Right.

13:54 Speaker 3: And plus too, of course.

13:54 Speaker 3: Again, what God's trying to do is break their pride or whatever.

13:57 Speaker 3: I'm kind of wondering if they would have worked past the fear and said explain it to us.

14:02 Speaker 3: If he might have done that.

14:03 Speaker 3: There's no way for me to kind of know that, but I think a lot of times when you're explaining stuff and nobody wants, doesn't want to look like they don't understand something, yeah, you just kind of get quiet and act like you do.

14:17 Speaker 3: All right so they're afraid to ask and talk about that.

14:21 Speaker 3: But but here, prosecutor Simmons, they're not afraid to do this.

14:25 Speaker 3: This is important In Luke 9, 46,.

14:27 Speaker 3: This is what they're not afraid to do.

14:29 Speaker 3: In fact, they're so blind and they're so stupid and so dull and dumb they don't know to just keep shutting up.

14:38 Speaker 3: I mean, they're shut up on this one thing, like, okay, I'm afraid to ask him.

14:43 Speaker 3: But the humility doesn't go very far, does it, Jacob?

14:48 Speaker 3: No, what happens in Luke 9, verse 46, Jacob, they are going to argue, argue.

14:57 Speaker 3: And what are they arguing about?

15:00 Speaker 4: Which one of them would be the greatest?

15:03 Speaker 3: Now think about it.

15:04 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ has just said hey, look, guys, I'm going to be betrayed and I'm going to go into the hands of man.

15:10 Speaker 3: Now, on the surface of things, jacob, does that sound like a good thing or a bad thing?

15:14 Speaker 3: Bad thing, whether you understand it or not, or whether you understand the particulars or what's going on.

15:21 Speaker 3: If I said, hey, jacob, I I'm gonna be betrayed today into the hands of king county prosecutors, uh, wouldn't, wouldn't you at least like be sober mind, like, oh man, what are you gonna go through?

15:34 Speaker 3: Right, sure, but did they have any concern for jesus?

15:38 Speaker 3: Apparently not apparently not.

15:41 Speaker 4: It's also they didn't understand.

15:43 Speaker 4: They didn't understand.

15:45 Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean they didn't catch the words correct, because at this point it says to which one of them would be the greatest.

15:53 Speaker 4: So they kind of knew he was going to be gone well, I'm going to go a little bit further now.

15:59 Speaker 3: we're looking that if you said, jacob, I'm going to be betrayed and no longer be in my position of authority.

16:05 Speaker 3: I think they got that, and so now they want to know well, which one is going to be in charge.

16:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, now, that is selfish ambition, don't you realize?

16:14 Speaker 3: Like a King County court or the prosecutor's office, right, if somebody said, yeah, I'm losing my job today, what really is beginning to happen back behind the scenes?

16:25 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, everybody wants to move up the ladder, right, they want, they want to seize their position.

16:30 Speaker 3: They might go, um, oh, that's too bad, but inside they're smiling, they're happy.

16:36 Speaker 3: Sure, because why they get to have a chance to go in that position.

16:42 Speaker 3: And that's what's happening here, and that was the opening scripture.

16:46 Speaker 3: We'll get to here in a moment, hopefully today, that where you have selfish ambition, you have every evil, practice and disorder.

16:52 Speaker 3: So here we are.

16:53 Speaker 3: This is Jesus Christ, who loved mankind with a selfless love, is going to lay down his life and he's going.

17:00 Speaker 3: By the way, guys, I'm not going to be in my position any longer.

17:03 Speaker 3: And so they don't even put their arms around him and say, well, let's pray, or what that's about.

17:07 Speaker 3: Or, man, that doesn't sound good, what's going on?

17:10 Speaker 3: Instead, they start arguing amongst themselves like I'm the greatest.

17:15 Speaker 3: I'm trying to picture the situation, jacob, do you think it would have been a clear argument?

17:26 Speaker 4: No, I don't think it would have been a clear argument.

17:27 Speaker 3: No, I don't think it would have been a clear argument.

17:28 Speaker 3: You know, I tend to think it would be, for some reason, okay.

17:32 Speaker 3: An argument started about.

17:34 Speaker 3: It was like, because you see it in other places where they're going to go, no, I'm the greatest, or I'm the greatest, but I hear you.

17:40 Speaker 3: It can come out in a lot of different ways, but arguments brew.

17:45 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

17:46 Speaker 3: It's like I hear what you're saying in the beginning.

17:48 Speaker 3: Somebody go hmm, well, I guess I'll be the one in charge.

17:52 Speaker 3: You know you.

17:52 Speaker 3: You whisper it, sure.

17:53 Speaker 3: And then somebody else well, no, I don't, I don't think you're qualified, and so it's an get out of the way.

18:07 Speaker 3: Um, I don't know if that's me or not.

18:10 Speaker 4: And you get my point I get your point.

18:15 Speaker 3: Verse 47, actually, I think, really confirms your point.

18:19 Speaker 3: It says jesus knowing their thoughts.

18:21 Speaker 3: So it's not like I'm going to wrestle you down argument.

Disciples' Desire for Greatness

18:27 Speaker 3: He's realizing what's going through their minds and their thoughts.

18:31 Speaker 3: It's probably mumbling out.

18:32 Speaker 3: So I think you're more correct.

18:34 Speaker 3: Jacob Jesus knowing their thoughts took a little child and had him stand beside him.

18:39 Speaker 3: Interesting thought.

18:42 Speaker 3: I need to stop at this point because, just like people, like a king, county prosecutor's office, everybody's jockeying for a position.

18:50 Speaker 3: You know one wants to be woman of the year and the other wants to be korean woman of the year and you know I don't do them.

18:56 Speaker 3: Are the men even like up to game?

18:58 Speaker 3: Are they a bunch?

18:59 Speaker 4: of mama boys.

18:59 Speaker 4: I don't know.

19:00 Speaker 4: I guess they're a bunch of mama boys.

19:01 Speaker 4: They have to take the back seat due to society pressures.

19:05 Speaker 3: Man.

19:05 Speaker 3: You know I'm not saying men are superior, that's what I'm saying.

19:09 Speaker 3: But to play like they're all your mother and they're just going to baby you and put you in a corner Going to roll over man.

19:16 Speaker 3: That's disgusting, dehumanizing, among other things.

19:21 Speaker 3: All right, jesus, knowing their thoughts.

19:22 Speaker 3: So the argument's among their minds and he knows what's going on.

19:25 Speaker 3: Then he said to them whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

19:34 Speaker 3: For he who is least among you all, he is the greatest.

19:39 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ is doing more than just saying to them guys, your pride and in your mind and in your thoughts, I mean he can read their minds going.

19:49 Speaker 3: Why are you talking like he doesn't engage in the argument.

19:52 Speaker 3: He's trying to hit the heart, isn't he Jacob?

19:55 Speaker 3: Yes, whoever welcomes this little child.

19:59 Speaker 3: In fact, it's an object lesson.

20:01 Speaker 3: You got to praise God for his patience.

20:05 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but if there's an argument going on and you want to make a point, don't you want to be as direct as possible?

20:13 Speaker 3: Isn't that what we?

20:14 Speaker 4: want to do yes.

20:15 Speaker 4: That's how you usually if you want to win an argument.

20:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, you step up to the plate and you just kind of go at it and lay it out clearly, in fact, well, whatever be the man or woman that you're meant to be and don't let anybody walk on.

20:28 Speaker 3: I mean, that's, that's Satan's message.

20:30 Speaker 3: But Jesus is more subtle and the reason that he is in this particular case is he's trying to break the heart.

20:37 Speaker 3: These guys are going to remember seeing and hearing this a lot more than Jesus just at this point saying that you're in pride.

20:46 Speaker 3: And there was a lot of that that went into sound doctrine church, where there was a lot of subtlety.

20:50 Speaker 3: There were clear rebukes and Jesus does do that at time but there was a lot of abject, small, quiet lessons done by the Holy Spirit.

20:59 Speaker 3: And those that don't respond to this and betray Jesus in the end become more hostile because they're remembering these things.

21:07 Speaker 3: It'd be like putting one of the betrayer disciples on the stand and go.

21:13 Speaker 3: Well, jesus was authoritative.

21:14 Speaker 3: What did he do?

21:15 Speaker 3: Well, you're going to look pretty stupid saying well, he brought a child among himself and he said we've got to become like children himself.

21:25 Speaker 3: And he said we got to become like children.

21:26 Speaker 3: That that's why they can never offer specifics that were truthful and honest, because this is an abject lesson by humility, with humility and through humility, make sense.

21:35 Speaker 3: Make sense.

21:36 Speaker 3: And the sub question we can't get to today, of course, is what kind of leadership do most people want they?

21:44 Speaker 3: They're not going to want what Jesus is talking about.

21:46 Speaker 3: They do not want pastors that are powerful little children.

21:52 Speaker 3: They want pastors they can manipulate, pastors that will tell them what they want to hear Pastors that leave them alone and don't actually rebuke them.

22:02 Speaker 3: Correct or strong enough just to make them feel that they're getting a strong enough message.

22:05 Speaker 3: It depends what you're after there kind of thing.

22:07 Speaker 3: Anything else?

22:09 Speaker 3: Before we move on to the next scripture no, go ahead and play Mark, chapter 10, and we'll discuss this a little bit more.

22:18 Speaker 2: Mark 10, 35 through 45.

22:21 Speaker 2: Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him, teacher.

22:26 Speaker 2: They said we want you to do for us whatever we ask.

22:30 Speaker 2: What do you want me to do for you, he asked?

22:33 Speaker 2: They replied let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.

22:38 Speaker 2: You don't know what you are asking.

22:41 Speaker 2: Jesus said Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?

22:47 Speaker 2: We can, they answered.

22:49 Speaker 2: Jesus said to them you will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant.

23:02 Speaker 2: These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.

23:05 Speaker 2: When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John.

23:09 Speaker 2: Jesus called them together and said you know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them and their high officials exercise authority over them.

23:20 Speaker 2: Not so with you.

23:21 Speaker 2: Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

23:30 Speaker 2: For even the Son of man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many any initial takes on that, jacob um, it's.

23:44 Speaker 4: I think it's kind of crazy.

23:45 Speaker 4: When has, if we go to the, the first part, 1035 that?

23:49 Speaker 4: When has anybody really walked up and be like?

23:52 Speaker 4: I would like you to give me whatever I ask well, pretty bold actually actually I.

23:59 Speaker 3: It happens more than you think.

24:00 Speaker 3: Do not people go into prayer or group prayer?

24:04 Speaker 4: and just start mouthing off whatever they want.

24:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever they want, that's true, yeah.

24:09 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it happens all the time.

24:13 Speaker 3: Now, I agree with you.

24:14 Speaker 3: This is like setting yourself up for trouble To go into Jesus again I won't repeat all the miracles and things he did, right and go hey, hey, jesus.

24:24 Speaker 3: You know we're buds, we're tight, we're out here with you.

24:27 Speaker 3: We've forsaked everything, we left our wife and kids at home and we don't have any money, and we're you know.

24:33 Speaker 3: The implication is we are tight, we're in good, yes, and so, jesus, we want you to do for us whatever we ask.

24:42 Speaker 3: That I agree.

24:43 Speaker 4: That's an amazing it's like, it's like well, because it's a worldly thing, right like uh I what's it?

24:51 Speaker 4: I scratch your back, you scratch mine.

24:52 Speaker 4: So, like jesus, we left everything right.

24:54 Speaker 4: We're scratching your back and we're following you and we do you're.

24:57 Speaker 4: We're doing whatever you want us to do, so we can't.

25:00 Speaker 4: We want something out of the deal uh, you bring up a good point.

25:03 Speaker 3: I did not catch that part.

25:05 Speaker 4: I'm just, I know, I'm just saying no, you know it's like a worldly attitude, because then obviously he goes, he rebukes them and he's like well, this is the wrong attitude okay, amen, good point.

25:17 Speaker 3: I could chew on that one for a little while.

25:19 Speaker 3: So we want you to do for us whatever we ask Amazing question, especially when you've been rebuked before and it's not like Jesus hasn't put you in her place.

25:29 Speaker 3: So our main point, really upfront, real fast and again these are all hour long sermons is how easily we're puffed up and how easily we think we're in a relationship with God and how much we need to be humbled by Jesus Christ.

25:42 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, your point for you is that's what Sound Doctrine Church was like.

25:46 Speaker 3: Everybody came in and I say everybody in their flesh, and they're asking from Jesus well, I want this or I want that, or will God do this or that over there?

25:55 Speaker 3: And it takes some time, sometimes a long time, for people to learn to be a humble servant and say okay, lord, what is it you want to?

26:04 Speaker 3: Will and work.

26:04 Speaker 3: Humility is far from them.

26:08 Speaker 3: All right, jesus Mark, chapter 10, verse 36, says he doesn't go.

26:12 Speaker 3: Hey guys, you know that's a silly prayer.

26:15 Speaker 3: Be careful again what you're praying.

26:17 Speaker 3: Give it some serious thought.

26:19 Speaker 3: You might go.

26:20 Speaker 3: Lord, I want a ministry that's powerful of you.

26:24 Speaker 3: Right, really, you want to be persecuted.

26:28 Speaker 3: You want to be ran from town to town.

26:30 Speaker 3: You want to be known for standing for the word of God, all the word of God, no matter what happens.

26:34 Speaker 3: Really, really, they don't know what they're asking.

26:36 Speaker 3: What do you want me to do for you?

26:38 Speaker 3: So Jesus says, okay, fine.

26:39 Speaker 3: What do you guys want?

26:40 Speaker 3: Which underscores another thing?

26:41 Speaker 3: Jesus is willing.

26:41 Speaker 3: What do you guys want which underscores another thing?

26:42 Speaker 3: Jesus is willing to address everything that we come to him in prayer and I don't have time to get into all that but the answer to that prayer will be in accordance with the word of God and with the cross of Jesus Christ.

26:56 Speaker 3: Just do a casual reading of Psalms 119 over and over again.

27:04 Speaker 3: He says answer me according to your word, lift me up according to your word.

27:07 Speaker 3: What you find is a lot of prayer in the church.

27:10 Speaker 3: They're not saying according to the word or according to the truth.

27:13 Speaker 3: It's just this is what we want, and it's a superficial understanding that somehow Jesus is Santa Claus or what a smiling Jack.

27:20 Speaker 3: Jesus, they're blunt with their answer.

27:23 Speaker 3: Read Mark 10, verse 37, jacob, they're blunt.

27:27 Speaker 4: They replied let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.

27:35 Speaker 3: They have faith, they see something's going to happen.

27:38 Speaker 3: Now.

27:38 Speaker 3: They may be misplaced in their understanding what that glory is.

27:41 Speaker 3: They may think it's a worldly government or in heaven I'm not sure it really doesn't matter.

27:45 Speaker 3: But aren't they very clear about what they want?

27:48 Speaker 4: They know Jesus is going places, he's going somewhere.

27:51 Speaker 4: And we want to be there, not just there.

27:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to be right next to you Right or left Doesn't matter.

27:58 Speaker 3: In fact they're probably going.

27:59 Speaker 3: You know, we're humble enough.

28:00 Speaker 3: We'll sit on the right or left side, it doesn't matter which side you do, because Lord, you're Lord and we're just humble.

28:07 Speaker 3: We're willing to accept either the right or the left and we're not going to argue about either position.

28:12 Speaker 3: All right, jesus, always a man of truth.

28:17 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, Judge McCrae Smith, you have to understand Sound Doctrine Church was a church of truth.

28:24 Speaker 3: People would come in all the time with what they want or think they understand, or what's this scripture saying here?

28:33 Speaker 3: Some of it was getting close to what the truth is.

28:36 Speaker 3: Some of it was way off.

28:37 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I've dealt with people who.

28:40 Speaker 3: One guy, he dealt with sexual immorality, so he came in with scripture that you know David had concubines and he wanted to have concubines.

28:44 Speaker 3: Well, one guy he dealt with sexual immorality, so he came in with scripture that David had concubines and he wanted to have concubines.

28:48 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer.

28:49 Speaker 3: But I'm just giving you an idea.

28:51 Speaker 3: When you're dealing with the sinful nature of people that are coming in to pick up their cross, there's going to be confusion, there's going to be frustration.

29:01 Speaker 3: They're going to be told things they don't want to hear or things they think they hear but they need to be crucified in.

29:07 Speaker 3: And when you drag that into a secular, godless courtroom and you bring in all of that confusion, you are doing nothing more than persecuting and prosecuting the love of Jesus Christ that is trying to deal with people's hearts.

29:24 Speaker 3: Look, sound Doctor, church was not a law firm.

29:31 Speaker 3: We didn't come together and everybody pick their words and pick this advice here and go direct here and get everything exact and a little common.

29:34 Speaker 3: We weren't allowed to twist the law and pervert the law and bring things around.

29:39 Speaker 3: We're dealing with hearts here and you bring in your cold, calculated.

29:44 Speaker 3: We're going to destroy you.

29:45 Speaker 3: We're going to take you down.

29:47 Speaker 3: We have all the power.

29:48 Speaker 3: We exercise it.

29:49 Speaker 3: We're going to crush you.

29:50 Speaker 3: That's not what sound doctrine was about.

29:53 Speaker 3: When we say in sound doctrine, as disciples, you're going to be crushed, it's by the loving hand of Jesus Christ.

30:00 Speaker 3: Does it feel good?

30:01 Speaker 3: No, being crucified with Christ is not a pleasurable thing, but you do it and remain because of the resurrected life.

30:10 Speaker 3: Anything on that?

30:12 Speaker 3: Before I press on, there's a little bit of a mini sermon out there.

30:14 Speaker 3: Jacob, no, all right, you don't know what you're asking.

30:17 Speaker 3: Jesus said so Jesus poses a question.

30:19 Speaker 3: All right, I'm considering your request.

30:22 Speaker 3: That's why scripture says let your words be few.

30:26 Speaker 3: God's in heaven and you're on earth.

30:28 Speaker 3: So basically, shut up, let your words be few.

30:30 Speaker 3: Took me a long time to learn that, but that's real wisdom.

30:36 Speaker 3: All right, so Jesus says can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism?

30:40 Speaker 3: I'm baptized with.

30:41 Speaker 3: All right, what do you think, jacob?

30:43 Speaker 3: They're going to go.

30:43 Speaker 3: No, I need a little more prayer, I need a little more time.

30:47 Speaker 3: Correct what do you think they're going to say.

30:49 Speaker 3: Nope, of course they can Correct.

30:53 Speaker 3: Read verse 39, the first two words we can, we can, no hesitation.

30:58 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, I'll do it, me, me, me, me, I'll do it, I'll me, me, me, me.

31:07 Speaker 3: You know we can.

31:08 Speaker 3: They answered all right.

31:09 Speaker 3: Jesus said to them you will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I'm baptized with.

31:12 Speaker 3: But and he's answering their prayer, isn't he Jacob?

31:14 Speaker 3: He's giving the answer.

31:16 Speaker 3: The answer is no.

31:18 Speaker 3: How many people don't seem to realize that so much of what we pray is well?

31:21 Speaker 3: No, hey, you don't understand what you're saying.

31:23 Speaker 3: It's contrary to God's will.

31:24 Speaker 3: Or maybe it is God's will, or maybe it's in the future, or maybe it's not, for today Jesus goes.

31:29 Speaker 3: No, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant.

31:33 Speaker 3: These places belong to those for whom it has been prepared.

31:38 Speaker 3: Everything comes back to God, mr Simmons.

31:41 Speaker 3: Everything comes back to God, mr Simmons, nobody at Sound Doctrine Church got by with jockeying for a position or a power play.

31:53 Speaker 3: I certainly didn't even have the energy to exercise authority.

31:59 Speaker 3: I mean, that is so foreign to not only love, but it's the opposite of Jesus Christ.

32:04 Speaker 3: It didn't even come to mind.

32:05 Speaker 3: I'd been a disciple for Jesus for decades and by the time I got to Sound Doctrine Church, no comparison is to the person that I was.

32:18 Speaker 3: I'd ask you, jacob, to say is that amen?

32:19 Speaker 3: But everybody would kind of expect you to say amen but for the sake of the truth.

32:21 Speaker 3: Is it true?

32:21 Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, all right.

32:23 Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is because there is power in the blood of Jesus Christ to humble, to break, to crucify, to deal with sinful, to deal with pride, selfishness, greed.

32:34 Speaker 3: I'm not like King County prosecutors, I'm not like you.

32:48 Speaker 3: Because of the grace of God, the only difference between me and King County prosecutors is I was willing to humble myself.

32:52 Speaker 3: Mark, chapter 10, verse 41, the rest of the 10 are not getting this concept.

32:57 Speaker 3: This is when the 10 heard about this.

32:58 Speaker 3: They became indignant with James and John man.

33:02 Speaker 3: You can just see it going wild at this point.

33:05 Speaker 3: Jesus called them together and said and look at it, he's doing this again.

33:10 Speaker 3: It's always breaking out Selfish ambition.

33:15 Speaker 3: Dealing with that kind of pride and sin of man does not go down easy.

33:20 Speaker 3: It doesn't go down easy.

33:22 Speaker 3: Jesus called them together and said you know that those who are regarded as rulers of the gentiles, you know, king, county prosecutors lord it over and their high officials woman of the year, judge laurie k smith, exercise authority over them.

33:36 Speaker 3: Not so with you.

33:38 Speaker 3: There's the commandment, there's the clarity, like knock it off, guys.

33:42 Speaker 3: That's called a rebuke, simmons, it's called a life-giving rebuke.

33:47 Speaker 3: Not so with you.

33:47 Speaker 3: Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.

33:52 Speaker 3: You know, first of all, getting the concept, jacob, you understand that Jesus says yeah, you've got to become a servant of all right.

33:58 Speaker 3: Well, understanding it is not the same as possessing it, mm-hmm.

34:03 Speaker 3: Well, understanding it is not the same as possessing it, mm-hmm.

34:05 Speaker 3: Early on I mean early on, reading scripture when I was baptized in the 70s, yeah, I read it, mm-hmm, but when I looked at my life and looked at the stubbornness and the selfishness and all the things that I was, it's like I didn't possess it.

34:19 Speaker 3: But I understood it was there, mm-hmm, and I would pray to God okay, work it, bring it about.

34:25 Speaker 3: The biggest thing that frustrated me way back when in the church was they'd always those that kind of preach this, would lay it out there, but they never told you how to do it.

34:35 Speaker 3: It's kind of like, yeah, become a servant of God.

34:41 Speaker 3: Well, okay, exactly, how does that work?

34:41 Speaker 3: How do we do that?

34:42 Speaker 3: Because they weren't really trying to live it and because I tell you how you live it is you have to let God crucify you and it hurts.

34:48 Speaker 3: So I come to God and say, okay, lord, teach me to be a servant of all.

34:52 Speaker 3: And situations would come up, people would come into my life.

34:55 Speaker 3: He would convict me.

34:56 Speaker 3: His word convicted me.

34:57 Speaker 3: He would demonstrate and draw out my pride.

35:00 Speaker 3: Just one really quick example.

35:02 Speaker 3: Draw out my pride.

35:06 Speaker 3: Just one really quick example Young man didn't have that much patience, right and being young and married at that time.

35:13 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm a young, stupid husband.

35:14 Speaker 3: Kind of routine.

35:14 Speaker 3: Go get her young.

35:14 Speaker 3: All the energy, all that, that kind of stuff going on.

35:16 Speaker 3: So I'm in the prayer closet realizing man, lord, I need more patience.

35:20 Speaker 3: I just need to slow down and be patient with people.

35:24 Speaker 3: And so my wife at the time would interrupt my prayer time and I would go what do you want?

35:29 Speaker 3: So I'm praying about it on the one hand and then I'm getting irritated because I'm being interrupted.

35:35 Speaker 3: Get my point, I get your point.

35:38 Speaker 3: You got to let God do the work and that takes time.

35:41 Speaker 3: And, prosecutor Simmons, you're wasting a lot of time.

35:43 Speaker 3: I mean I least Lord drew me when I was in my 20s.

35:47 Speaker 3: You are wasting time.

35:49 Speaker 3: And the amount of blessing you could lay hold of this, I mean that's all in God's hand.

35:55 Speaker 3: But better get on with it if you want it all and Judge Laurie K Smith don't know.

36:00 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it doesn't even strike me that you're even concerned about it.

36:05 Speaker 3: Instead, whoever wants to be great among you must be your servant.

36:09 Speaker 3: Whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

36:17 Speaker 3: Jacob, can you go into any bookstore and let's just do Christian bookstore right now and go yeah, where's your section of books on being a slave to all?

36:24 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.

36:25 Speaker 3: Really, Where's the slave?

36:26 Speaker 3: What?

36:26 Speaker 3: You can't find that anywhere.

36:28 Speaker 4: No, you knock down the aisles and they would be like, huh what?

36:33 Speaker 3: Wait, wait.

36:33 Speaker 3: Well, you know how to put a good marriage together.

36:35 Speaker 3: So how can I be a slave to my family?

36:38 Speaker 4: No, they don't.

36:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no slave words in their aisles You've got to be kidding, I'm sure.

36:45 Speaker 3: Now, surely you have been to weddings, right?

36:47 Speaker 3: A male and female.

36:49 Speaker 4: I've been to a wedding.

36:50 Speaker 4: Yes, Right.

36:52 Speaker 3: And the pastor turns to the woman and says do you take so-and-so to be your lawfully wedded husband to be a slave?

37:00 Speaker 4: to him.

37:01 Speaker 4: Yes, no, you've never heard that.

37:03 Speaker 4: Oh, you've seen that.

37:04 Speaker 3: No, no, I haven't.

37:05 Speaker 3: No, I know You'd be ran out.

37:08 Speaker 3: She'd probably come unglued and come after you.

37:10 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

37:11 Speaker 3: It's not going to.

37:12 Speaker 3: The family would come after you about it.

37:14 Speaker 4: Oh, you're wanting to get control.

37:15 Speaker 4: Oh the slander would be here, then you'd have the objections forever.

37:19 Speaker 3: hold your peace, I object that's why the prosecution that prosecutor simmons actually did did a pathetic job.

37:25 Speaker 3: You could have said what does tim williams preach about people serving?

37:29 Speaker 3: Well, we were supposed to be slaves to him yeah oh yeah, that's true.

37:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, but.

37:34 Speaker 4: But.

37:34 Speaker 4: But that's because then, if you go to the scripture, it doesn't say be a slave to jesus or a slave to leadership, it's a slave of all correct, correct, and that's why they pull it off.

Judge Smith: Woman of the Year

37:42 Speaker 3: But you know that't stop.

37:43 Speaker 3: Look, simmons had nothing to do with logic?

37:46 Speaker 4: No, yeah, I see what you mean, though.

37:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, you could have twisted it that way, oh yeah.

37:49 Speaker 3: And the way you ask the questions and then Judge Laurie K Smith is not going to let you respond in a way that's going to actually clarify and Detective McCall is going to say everything comes back to him because he's the slave master, kind of routine.

38:00 Speaker 3: So it's a no-win situation.

38:02 Speaker 3: I'm just saying he did a pretty poor job.

38:04 Speaker 3: Sure, I wish he'd call me.

38:05 Speaker 5: I'd have done the prosecution part of it really brought it where it needed to be yeah, oh, I'd have done it.

38:11 Speaker 3: We could have put malcolm on the stand, I could have laid all this out and he could have answered according to the truth.

38:16 Speaker 3: Mark chapter 10, verse 45.

38:17 Speaker 3: For even the son of man, even the son of man, did not come to be served.

38:24 Speaker 3: Please be assured, I never, ever one time, prayed.

38:31 Speaker 3: To be a pastor or to be a preacher, never, didn't even come to mind.

38:35 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you, there aren't other people that pray that and God works it, but I just never pray.

38:41 Speaker 3: That's just me.

38:42 Speaker 3: I never did.

38:43 Speaker 3: In fact, he just laid a hold on me, began the crushing process formulating this kind of concept like, yeah, I wanted to be a preacher, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many, not just any type of servant, but to actually serve, to actually see that somebody is serving.

39:04 Speaker 3: This isn't enough for lip service.

39:06 Speaker 3: Again, I want to go back to can you find any tracks in any churches how to be a slave at all, Jacob.

39:12 Speaker 4: No, you cannot find these tracks.

39:14 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm asking is this not central to who Jesus Christ is and what he's called us to be?

39:20 Speaker 3: Yes, have you heard any leadership seminars Like come to the leadership seminar, you who want to be leaders, and we're going to teach you how to be a slave to everybody in the congregation?

39:31 Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen it.

39:33 Speaker 3: It's not even talked about.

39:34 Speaker 3: No, why?

39:36 Speaker 3: Because nobody seems to know the glory of it.

39:41 Speaker 3: But make no mistake about it.

39:44 Speaker 3: It's a humility-breaking thing to our flesh.

39:46 Speaker 3: Now, once you grab a hold of it, it's life and you get it.

39:50 Speaker 3: But no man gets to that.

39:51 Speaker 3: Naturally.

39:51 Speaker 3: It's not like he's just baptized and all of a sudden there are people that go around serving but in their hearts are not slaves of all.

39:59 Speaker 3: And this is according to the Holy Spirit and how he works it.

40:02 Speaker 3: There's a big difference here.

40:03 Speaker 3: I'm not enslaved to King County prosecutors, but I will be a slave and a servant to them.

40:11 Speaker 3: There's a difference.

40:11 Speaker 3: I'm a slave of Jesus Christ, and so when I serve other people, when I'm a slave to them, it's through his guidance and direction.

40:17 Speaker 3: So please I'm begging you don't play me for a fool.

40:21 Speaker 3: I'm not enslaved to any man, but I'm a slave to every man.

40:26 Speaker 3: That makes sense.

40:27 Speaker 3: All right, jacob, let's talk about woman of the year.

40:33 Speaker 1: let's play the clip chief judge, laurie k smith, won an award.

40:41 Speaker 1: What award you, you ask why?

40:43 Speaker 1: Being a woman, of course, a woman judge in Seattle, washington, a state infamous for abusing good laws to show favoritism towards you guessed it women.

40:57 Speaker 1: All of which proves Judge Smith is not a Christian.

41:02 Speaker 1: 1 John 4, 5.

41:04 Speaker 1: They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

41:12 Speaker 1: The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

41:29 Speaker 3: The only reason that Judge Lori K Smith is Woman of the Year and, by the way, jacob, she didn't win that award once but twice, oh, twice.

41:38 Speaker 3: So she's a twice winner of Woman of the Year.

41:43 Speaker 3: What I couldn't find was man of the Year awards or White man of the Year awards that laid down the laws and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that allowed for Judge Lori K Smith to get into her position.

42:00 Speaker 3: Didn't find any of that going on, but that's not my point today.

42:03 Speaker 3: They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.

42:06 Speaker 3: The reason that Judge Lori K Smith won Woman of the Year twice in a row was because she is of this world, not a Christian.

42:17 Speaker 3: Jacob, can you imagine if I were a judge showing no partiality to prosecutors or police or a defendant or anybody on the stand?

42:26 Speaker 3: I don't care who they could be a woman accusing somebody or a woman defending somebody, it doesn't matter.

42:32 Speaker 3: I would show absolutely zero favoritism.

42:37 Speaker 3: Would I win an award?

42:39 Speaker 3: No, you would not win an award.

42:41 Speaker 3: Well, isn't not showing favoritism a good quality?

42:47 Speaker 3: it's a good quality, but not not for winning awards, especially if they knew I was a christian, right, sure, oh yeah, I'm pretty confident.

42:55 Speaker 3: Judge laurie k smith claims the name as, among a lot of, mark larson claimed to be a christian.

43:00 Speaker 3: All these people do so winning award.

43:04 Speaker 3: Clearly it's because they don't show any favoritism.

43:08 Speaker 4: No, that's not what they won the award for.

43:11 Speaker 3: No, they won the award for being a woman showing her perspective, her bias.

43:18 Speaker 3: For one thing, it's not needed in King County courts.

43:22 Speaker 3: Aren't judges, all judges, supposed to represent the truth, the law, to allow everybody equal justice under the law?

43:30 Speaker 3: Isn't that what should be going on, jacob?

43:33 Speaker 3: That's what they're supposed to do.

43:34 Speaker 3: Well, the minute that you introduce well, I'm a woman you're bringing your bias into the situation.

43:39 Speaker 3: You've already negated that which you were called to do, which was self-evident in this trial, obviously on multiple levels.

43:46 Speaker 3: One, she's African-American.

43:47 Speaker 3: In fact, when it says that she won the award, that's what they literally state.

43:51 Speaker 3: She's an African-American woman bringing a different perspective, blah, blah, blah to the Judaism.

43:59 Speaker 3: In other words, she's biased.

44:01 Speaker 3: She gives us what we want.

44:02 Speaker 3: And there's an innocent man in prison today because she refuses to repent of her pride and her arrogance.

44:08 Speaker 3: And all these men, king County prosecutors, bow down to this and allow this favoritism to go on.

44:14 Speaker 3: And they are very willing for a corrupt cop to manipulate an accuser with a church that they don't like and to let it go on for decades, all because of why?

44:24 Speaker 3: Selfish ambition and their pride and their arrogance.

44:30 Speaker 3: What utter fools.

44:31 Speaker 3: It's not even a good representation of the law, let alone of Jesus Christ.

Wisdom from Heaven vs. Earthly Wisdom

44:36 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, all right.

44:38 Speaker 3: Well, 1 John 4, 4, what I just said earlier I'm a slave to all men, but I'm not an enslave to any man.

44:44 Speaker 3: You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them.

44:49 Speaker 3: I've overcome King County prosecutors.

44:51 Speaker 3: I've overcome Judge Lori K Smith.

44:53 Speaker 3: I've overcome the current governor.

44:55 Speaker 3: I'm overcoming all these people.

44:57 Speaker 3: They might enslave, they might do whatever they can do, they might exercise their authority, but they do not control my heart and faith toward Jesus Christ.

45:06 Speaker 3: You are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you, this is not religion, prosecutor Simmons.

45:17 Speaker 3: This is not some outward dogma that the church puts together.

45:20 Speaker 3: This is Jesus Christ in us and just as Jesus Christ was denied justice but he overcame the world by way of the cross, I walk in those footsteps and I walk according to following him and he is greater than you and Judge Laurie K Smith and all of King County Court and all of the state of Washington.

45:41 Speaker 3: The one who is in you is greater than the one who's in the world.

45:47 Speaker 3: You worship your God.

45:48 Speaker 3: Go ahead.

45:49 Speaker 3: The God of this world, by the way, is the devil, in case you didn't know.

45:52 Speaker 3: Go ahead, that's your choice.

45:53 Speaker 3: But you can be sure, you can bank on it, that justice is coming and he will overcome this injustice that you did to his people, to his love and to his grace.

46:07 Speaker 3: They are from the world.

46:09 Speaker 3: Judge Lori K Smith and yourself are from the world.

46:12 Speaker 3: That's where you come from, that's where your wisdom comes from, and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.

46:18 Speaker 3: Oh, he writes the books.

46:20 Speaker 3: Who's in charge?

46:22 Speaker 3: Where's this leadership coming from?

46:23 Speaker 3: What did they do?

46:26 Speaker 3: Were you compensated for this?

46:27 Speaker 3: Did you get this over here?

46:28 Speaker 3: That's all the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

46:33 Speaker 3: If there's one part of this scripture that's true.

46:36 Speaker 3: Jesus, I mean jacob is anybody listening to us?

46:40 Speaker 3: No, no, you've got again a cop evidence, proof of the criminal activities that he and his co-inspirator did.

46:49 Speaker 3: And is anybody listening?

46:50 Speaker 3: No, they're all just willing to overlook it.

46:53 Speaker 3: All right, any thoughts?

46:56 Speaker 3: No, then let's repeat the intro and talk about James 3.13 in greater detail.

47:08 Speaker 1: It's Prosecution.

47:09 Speaker 1: Jason Simmons Bible Study Time, part 4.

47:13 Speaker 1: Lesson to learn Selfish ambition is a crime, james 3.14-16.

47:21 Speaker 1: But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.

47:29 Speaker 1: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual of the devil.

47:37 Speaker 1: For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

47:44 Speaker 1: The Consider podcast examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

47:59 Speaker 3: I'm going to go over this real quick because I want to move on to a couple other scriptures here.

48:03 Speaker 3: But James 3.14 says but if you harbor bitter envy, you know everybody working in King County Parts Bureau's office is envious of the other person above them.

48:12 Speaker 3: That's just the sinful nature.

48:14 Speaker 3: They flatter one another, you know.

48:16 Speaker 3: They boast about one another, they boast about themselves.

48:19 Speaker 3: But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it.

48:29 Speaker 3: You know, woman of the year or deny the truth Because of the selfish ambition in you.

48:31 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, you denied the truth because the truth just didn't fit your little agenda, so you refused to examine and look at it and your wisdom comes.

48:39 Speaker 3: Look, just as I get wisdom from my source, meaning the living God, you get wisdom from your source.

48:46 Speaker 3: Nobody in mankind, regardless of the lie they believe, just goes to school and gets wisdom.

48:53 Speaker 3: Wisdom comes.

48:54 Speaker 3: We were made to receive wisdom from the living God and when we fell in the Garden of Eden, satan took that place.

49:00 Speaker 3: So the whole world is being fed quote unquote wisdom, but it's from the devil.

49:04 Speaker 3: Only true disciples of Jesus are being given wisdom from Jesus.

49:08 Speaker 3: But there's no neutral, nobody's neutral, in this.

49:12 Speaker 3: That make sense, jacob I don't want to move too fast here.

49:15 Speaker 3: That make sense.

49:17 Speaker 3: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven.

49:19 Speaker 3: This is not a religion, simmons.

49:22 Speaker 3: The wisdom that was in St Dr Church came down from heaven.

49:25 Speaker 3: See, this is not a religion, simmons.

49:25 Speaker 3: The wisdom that was in St Dr Church came down from heaven.

49:26 Speaker 3: This isn't your average everyday local schmocal church.

49:29 Speaker 3: Such wisdom does not come down from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual and of the devil.

49:36 Speaker 3: So that's where it comes from and that's why you did the things that you did and denied every you, even you, even.

49:42 Speaker 3: You even said the freedom of religion in the constitution is null and void in this courtroom.

49:49 Speaker 3: Where do you think that wisdom came from, jacob?

49:54 Speaker 4: Definitely unspiritual earthly wisdom, correct?

49:58 Speaker 3: From the devil, from where you have envy and selfish ambition.

50:02 Speaker 3: There you find disorder and every evil practice.

50:06 Speaker 3: And then he goes on to describe what wisdom is.

50:09 Speaker 3: But what I want to hone in on is the word impartial.

50:13 Speaker 3: But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure, then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, would you say Simmons.

50:21 Speaker 3: And these people were considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit.

50:26 Speaker 3: No, and they certainly weren't impartial, were they?

50:29 Speaker 3: Not at all.

50:31 Speaker 3: They only showed kindness or respect to people that they wanted to.

50:37 Speaker 3: In other words, they showed favoritism.

50:39 Speaker 3: Any comments before we move on?

50:43 Speaker 3: No, all right In this next section.

50:46 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Simmons, you actually need to take notes here, because if you ever bring in another group of true disciples of Jesus to prosec about leadership, this will fit the T of persecution by prosecution to a T.

50:56 Speaker 3: Go ahead and play Acts, chapter 6, 1 through 7, jacob, acts 6,.

51:20 Speaker 2: 1 through 7.

Spiritual Leadership: Serving with Authority

51:21 Speaker 2: In those days, when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.

51:27 Speaker 2: So the twelve gathered all the disciples together and said it would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables.

51:38 Speaker 2: Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the spirit and wisdom.

51:42 Speaker 2: We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the Word.

51:49 Speaker 2: This proposal pleased the whole group.

51:52 Speaker 2: They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit.

51:56 Speaker 2: Also Philip Prochorus, nicanor, timon, parmenas and Nicholas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

52:05 Speaker 2: They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

52:09 Speaker 2: So the word of God spread.

52:11 Speaker 2: The number of disciples in Jerusalem increased rapidly and a large number of priests became obedient to the faith.

52:20 Speaker 3: Jacob, did you catch the part?

52:22 Speaker 3: That's just man, a prosecutor, an ungodly man would just salivate to bring into a courtroom a woman of the year, I don't know.

52:33 Speaker 3: Look at Acts 6, six, verse two, because you got to understand that that everything about humility and brokenness and being a slave of all is not going to be presented in the courtroom, right?

52:46 Speaker 3: I mean, simmons just totally did away with that.

52:48 Speaker 3: I mean to hear detective mccall and everybody else, everything came back to me and I wrote the books and how that was related to anything else.

52:57 Speaker 3: I keep repeating them, but look at what it says, acts 6, verse 2.

53:00 Speaker 3: So the 12 gathered all the disciples together and said, ooh, they're acting in leadership, jacob, correct, yes, who's in charge here, folks?

53:11 Speaker 3: Which one of the 12?

53:12 Speaker 3: You know, simmons, by default, is goading an argument, and had they not been spiritual people and he'd have been there.

53:20 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, wait a minute, who's in charge here?

53:23 Speaker 3: Normally that would break out into a fight, right, it wouldn't have worked this time around.

53:28 Speaker 3: These guys, they're on the flip side of the resurrected life.

53:31 Speaker 3: Jesus has been crucified and resurrected, all right.

53:34 Speaker 3: So they're acting in leadership.

53:35 Speaker 3: They're actually doing something.

53:37 Speaker 3: They're solving a problem.

53:39 Speaker 3: The problem was, of course, some widows were being overlooked in the distribution of food.

53:43 Speaker 3: They had to give everything to the church and the church was dependent upon what their daily food.

53:51 Speaker 3: They controlled everything.

53:53 Speaker 3: You can just hear it because it's already been going on.

53:56 Speaker 3: You get my point.

53:56 Speaker 3: Yes, all right.

53:58 Speaker 3: Actually, it was a joyful thing.

54:00 Speaker 3: The church was meeting each other's needs.

54:02 Speaker 3: They were in deep fellowship with one another.

54:04 Speaker 3: It's a grand thing.

54:05 Speaker 3: It's more blessed to give than receive.

54:07 Speaker 3: Acts, chapter 6, verse 2,.

54:09 Speaker 3: So the 12 gathered all the disciples together and said now this is properly everybody, now it's the disciples, those who are kind in the know, those who have a little bit of maturity behind them, and said and here's the part where Prosecutor Simmons would just hammer they say the 12 said it wouldn't be right for us to neglect the ministry of the Word of God in order to wait on tables.

54:35 Speaker 4: Do you see what I'm saying, Jacob?

54:36 Speaker 4: Yes, he.

54:37 Speaker 4: Uh, Simmons would be like you don't want to work, you don't want to do anything?

54:41 Speaker 4: Uh, it's the same thing.

54:41 Speaker 4: They accused you know, Moses, right, Moses is sitting around writing tablets when is he at, you know?

54:47 Speaker 4: He's not with us.

54:49 Speaker 4: We don Moses.

54:51 Speaker 3: Exactly, and so Simmons would be coming in going.

54:54 Speaker 3: Oh, he preaches and teaches that we're to be a slave of all.

55:01 Speaker 3: But when it comes down to it, who's being served here?

55:02 Speaker 3: They're above everybody else and they don't want to wait on tables, they don't want to be a servant of all.

55:11 Speaker 3: I was constantly by everybody that come through.

55:15 Speaker 3: Not everybody had a bad heart, Some people.

55:17 Speaker 3: They just don't understand or see what was going on.

55:20 Speaker 3: The amount of criticism, questions went on and on and on.

55:30 Speaker 3: It never stopped because everybody coming into the church guess what?

55:35 Speaker 3: Jacob didn't come in as a saint, Correct, All right.

55:38 Speaker 3: So they're baptized.

55:39 Speaker 3: They're young believers.

55:40 Speaker 3: Here's just one minor story.

55:42 Speaker 3: That's kind of funny, and this is even among children.

55:45 Speaker 3: I don't know.

55:45 Speaker 3: I want to say he was 14.

55:47 Speaker 3: I don't have the.

55:48 Speaker 3: So everybody has their opinion about what gadgets I should use, right?

55:54 Speaker 3: Well, you probably didn't know that, but yeah, one of the complaints was I have gadgets or this gadget or whatever.

55:59 Speaker 3: Or I have this, or why do I do that?

56:01 Speaker 3: Blah, blah, blah, all right.

56:02 Speaker 3: So he comes in and you know he's got that attitude and I know where it's coming from.

56:06 Speaker 3: It's coming from home, so it's not like I'm not telling you.

56:10 Speaker 3: It wasn't naturally within the child.

56:12 Speaker 3: But okay, now I know what's going on in the conversation in the house, right, everybody had their opinion about how I should dress, how I should look, what I should buy and not buy, and I tried to be a servant of all in those matters.

56:25 Speaker 3: But obviously there comes a point when you can't, because you become just enslaved to wickedness, which is a different story.

56:32 Speaker 3: Anyway, kid comes in, he's standing in my office and he's got that attitude and I go all right, pick anything in this office, pick anything in this office that I have that you think I shouldn't have, and I'll explain to you why I have it.

56:47 Speaker 3: Smile comes on his face.

56:49 Speaker 3: He looks around, he goes what about that electric stapler?

56:54 Speaker 3: Because I had an electric stapler, one that you plug in, right, and I wasn't trying to up one on him, I'm trying to teach him a lesson.

57:02 Speaker 3: I said, okay, the reason I have an electric stapler, and I'm going to be a little more sarcastic.

57:08 Speaker 3: I wasn't this way with him is not because I'm too lazy to reach over and squeeze the thing and staple them.

57:13 Speaker 3: Have you heard this story before, jacob?

57:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard it.

57:16 Speaker 3: Okay, so the reason I had an electric stapler that was plugged in is so that it wasn't taken from the office.

57:23 Speaker 3: If it was plugged in, because every time I wanted a stapler somebody had come in to borrow it or I gave them to use.

57:30 Speaker 3: It was a necessary item so that I could just simply keep a stapler on my desk.

57:35 Speaker 3: But to this young man, clearly it was a sign of selfishness correct.

57:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, laziness, you didn't want to have to physically push it, you didn't want to wait on tables or I just wasted money on something electrical that you could do manually.

57:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

57:49 Speaker 3: Simmons, this is none of this when they're saying it would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the Word of God in order to wait on tables, it's a fact of leadership and the position and what serves the congregation best.

58:02 Speaker 3: You don't need the 12 who are and I'm going to put this in worldly terms experts in Jesus Christ, taken away from the ministry of prayer and the Word.

58:12 Speaker 3: And, by the way, simmons, we go.

58:13 Speaker 3: Oh, you're just going to spend your time praying all the time and you're in your office, you're not doing anything.

58:17 Speaker 3: You should know by now.

58:19 Speaker 3: That's a whole different word.

58:20 Speaker 3: It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables.

58:25 Speaker 3: It's true, I didn't do a lot of things that people thought I would do, but hey, try and preach the sermons, try and study the Word of God.

58:34 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you God would never call me to do that, but if there's a choice in God's will, which is better to wait on tables or to devote oneself to the ministry of the Word of God, you tell me Jacob.

58:47 Speaker 4: To devote to the ministry of the Word of God.

58:48 Speaker 4: That would be the higher calling.

58:50 Speaker 3: That's the obvious one.

58:51 Speaker 3: Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the spirit and wisdom.

58:56 Speaker 3: By the way, we're talking about waiting on tables and you want to pick your best men.

59:00 Speaker 3: I don't have man.

59:01 Speaker 3: I wish we had time to go in this as a sermon.

59:02 Speaker 3: You don't want so often they go.

59:04 Speaker 3: We need people to serve chicken at the potluck or we need men to.

59:09 Speaker 3: Usually it's women, but we need men to do this kind of thing.

59:12 Speaker 3: It's supposed to be the most spiritual men.

59:14 Speaker 3: You want your most spiritual men in the slave positions in the church.

59:21 Speaker 3: Very often in a church, the janitor is a third party that's hired or somebody within the church.

59:31 Speaker 3: The idea person that you want as a janitor would be one of the most spiritual people in the congregation, because that's who people talk to, that's who they see.

59:36 Speaker 3: He has feet on the ground, he can hear what's going on and that's what's happening here.

59:40 Speaker 3: Look at the wisdom and the love that is here.

59:42 Speaker 3: Choose seven men among you who are known to be full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom.

59:46 Speaker 3: We will turn this responsibility over to them and we will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.

59:52 Speaker 3: Now, blessed is the congregation where Acts 6-5 is true.

59:56 Speaker 3: This proposal pleased the whole group.

59:59 Speaker 3: What a congregation that would have been.

1:00:03 Speaker 3: This was the early church, a whole church that would have been happy with the decision.

1:00:08 Speaker 3: Jacob, when's the last time you saw a church meeting committee, whatever, and everybody was happy with the decision.

1:00:18 Speaker 4: You usually don't see it.

1:00:20 Speaker 3: No.

1:00:21 Speaker 4: And even if they are, it's different than this, because they were happy about the decision to you know, I don't know.

1:00:26 Speaker 4: Remodel the kitchen.

1:00:30 Speaker 3: True, nobody actually gave up their opinion and let it be crucified and then were happy by the wisdom of God.

1:00:34 Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.

1:00:35 Speaker 3: All right, let's go to another one that can be used, and this one.

1:00:41 Speaker 3: I think we're going to go a little long today, but this kind of wraps up as far as we can go with leadership.

1:00:50 Speaker 2: Go ahead and play the next clip and let's give Prosecutor Simmons a little more fodder for his canon 2 Corinthians 10, 6-11, and we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

1:01:07 Speaker 2: You are looking only on the surface of things.

1:01:10 Speaker 2: If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as he.

1:01:17 Speaker 2: For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.

1:01:27 Speaker 2: I do not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters, For some say his letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he is unimpressive and his speaking amounts to nothing.

1:01:38 Speaker 2: Such people should realize that we are in our letters when we are absent.

1:01:42 Speaker 2: We will be in our actions when we are present.

1:01:48 Speaker 3: Don't get the idea that leadership in Jesus Christ while being a slave to everybody is not this.

1:01:54 Speaker 3: But leadership in Jesus Christ, well, bringing a slave to everybody is not this.

1:01:56 Speaker 3: What am I wanting to say, jacob, meek and mild little beaten down servant standing in the corner afraid to say anything.

1:02:06 Speaker 4: Sure, a servant of all Like you're, not a yes man.

1:02:11 Speaker 3: Not a yes man, for sure, and there was an authority that came from God.

1:02:21 Speaker 3: But the foundation, as I've repeated over and over again, was based on humility and brokenness.

1:02:23 Speaker 3: But there is an authority there that protects the body.

Final Thoughts on True Leadership

1:02:28 Speaker 3: And let me give a little warning here, mr Simmons you scattered the whole church and you destroyed whatever authority I had over in the church, which means you took away the safeguard of protection of that church, not only the protection of the church, but the protection of those individuals who were repenting of sin.

1:02:47 Speaker 3: There are people that had very shady backgrounds, who were struggling mightily with sins, and I I was able to, by the authority and the guidance and the grace of god, to have a church structured that kept sin in its place, kept the church in a safe place and was a beneficial to give people time to change.

1:03:10 Speaker 3: Am I making myself clear, jacob, and that once that authority is gone're on their own and I'm no longer in any position or power to protect them or to protect them from other people?

1:03:25 Speaker 3: 2 Corinthians 10, 6 would be the fodder for Prosecutor Simmons, and we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

1:03:35 Speaker 3: There is an authority, don't play games with me.

1:03:39 Speaker 3: There is a meekness, there's a humility, there's a gentleness.

1:03:42 Speaker 3: That's the status of how you want to be in every state and situation.

1:03:47 Speaker 3: But push comes to shove.

1:03:48 Speaker 3: If you play the game, if you just become rebellious, if you just get into yourself in a position of sinning or you come in to cause trouble in the body, you better believe I'm going to deal with it.

1:04:04 Speaker 3: Isn't that what a good father does?

1:04:06 Speaker 3: Isn't that what a good shepherd does?

1:04:08 Speaker 3: Yes, isn't that what love would do?

1:04:11 Speaker 3: Now I got to clarify this isn't the favoritism you show to every cop that lies, or let me rephrase that, every cop that puts on the stand who obviously is paid to lie for the sake of the prosecution.

1:04:24 Speaker 3: This isn't that kind of protectionism.

1:04:26 Speaker 3: This is real love that does what is best for everybody else.

1:04:29 Speaker 3: And there was plenty of people constantly coming into the church, coming in with questions.

1:04:34 Speaker 3: I didn't know whether they had good hearts or bad hearts, it didn't really matter, but they were just causing trouble and it would be dealt with because that's what led to peace, and we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience.

1:04:46 Speaker 3: Look at the wisdom and the love here.

1:04:48 Speaker 3: Once your obedience is complete, jacob, can you tell me what this scripture means.

1:04:55 Speaker 4: No, not fully.

1:05:04 Speaker 3: The point I'm honing in on is once your obedience is complete.

1:05:06 Speaker 4: What does that mean After?

1:05:06 Speaker 3: you've repented.

1:05:08 Speaker 3: Think of this in terms of a child.

1:05:10 Speaker 3: A child's five years old and you've told them certain things that they can't do right, but you know they're not able to be fully compliant.

1:05:20 Speaker 3: You're teaching them the rule, but you're giving them time to grow into that rule.

1:05:25 Speaker 3: Correct, Does that make sense?

1:05:27 Speaker 4: Yes.

1:05:28 Speaker 3: So a five-year-old, you're being taught to clean the room and it's not the best job, but did you expect the best?

1:05:33 Speaker 4: job?

1:05:33 Speaker 4: No, and you're going to know that they're not going to do the best job for however many more times because you're teaching them and then, when they're of a certain age, then it will be required and then they'll be punished because they're old enough and they should know.

1:05:47 Speaker 3: Exactly so, and there will be some punishment, even as they're growing.

1:05:51 Speaker 3: But it's age and ability, specific, appropriate, appropriate, good word.

1:05:57 Speaker 3: I like that.

1:05:57 Speaker 3: What happened in the people that you like to put on the stand at Hated Sound Doctrine Church was there was this patience, this guidance, this pouring out of one's life, giving them time to actually change and grow.

1:06:13 Speaker 3: And they might begin to do that and get to that point.

1:06:16 Speaker 3: But then they begin to put down their cross, or they didn't want to go all the way with it, and they just persevere in being rebellious.

1:06:23 Speaker 3: Then the punishment, the rebukes, the clarity becomes more and more clear, and that's what some communicated on the witness stand, because you gave them the ability to lie and exaggerate.

1:06:37 Speaker 3: They're not laying out.

1:06:38 Speaker 3: Oh man, I deserve the rebuke and I deserve to be punished for this, because I wouldn't listen to anything that was said for the last 10 years.

1:06:45 Speaker 3: Make sense, jacob?

1:06:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete.

1:06:53 Speaker 3: So there was a great deal of love and kindness and patience and protection and everybody was in a different place and some people would watch other people and that would change over time.

1:07:03 Speaker 3: I can't go into all the dynamics.

1:07:04 Speaker 3: You wouldn't understand it anyway.

1:07:06 Speaker 3: That's why 2 Corinthians 10, 7 says you are looking only on the service of things.

1:07:11 Speaker 3: Duh, that's what King County that's all Judge Lori K Smith was about was the surface of things.

1:07:15 Speaker 3: Duh, that's what King County, that's all Judge Laurie K Smith was about was the surface of things.

1:07:18 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, 2 Corinthians 10, 8.

1:07:21 Speaker 3: I'm not apologizing.

1:07:22 Speaker 3: There was an authority and that authority did protect the church and that authority did allow the church to grow.

1:07:27 Speaker 3: In fact, the people that we paid to come in that were outside sources to examine the church, for which you have the report the huge notebook stayed in there that the quality of sound doctrine church was a testimony to the leadership that was going on.

1:07:43 Speaker 3: But you didn't look, you didn't care, you didn't want it, and the reasons are spiritually discerned.

1:07:49 Speaker 3: You are only looking on the surface of things.

1:07:52 Speaker 3: If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as he.

1:07:59 Speaker 3: We're not going to play this logical game I'm in Jesus Christ, or I'm a Pharisee, or I went to Bible college, or I didn't go to Bible college, or whatever.

1:08:05 Speaker 3: Look, this is just a matter of being in Jesus Christ, loving other people, protecting the church, having an environment that is conducive to pursuing holiness, righteousness, love and self-discipline, and the peace that comes from Jesus Christ.

1:08:18 Speaker 3: What more could you possibly want, unless you love the darkness?

1:08:24 Speaker 3: For even if I boast somewhat freely verse 8, somewhat freely, jacob did I ever boast about the authority I had in Jesus?

1:08:36 Speaker 3: No, never.

1:08:39 Speaker 3: I mean Paul did by all means, he had a right to do so, but I never, ever, boasted at one time about that.

1:08:47 Speaker 3: I have an authority in Jesus Christ?

1:08:48 Speaker 3: No, I should have, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

1:08:52 Speaker 3: In fact, paul goes on to say I will not be ashamed of that boasting.

1:08:56 Speaker 3: For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.

1:09:04 Speaker 3: By the way, this is all about building up, making people stronger, and that only applies to people, obviously, who really want to follow Jesus Christ.

1:09:12 Speaker 3: Everything about King County prosecutors' leadership, everything about a courtroom is it for pulling people down or building them up?

1:09:20 Speaker 3: Pulling them down?

1:09:21 Speaker 3: Pulling them down, rejoicing that you're pulling them down, never lifting a finger to help, not doing anything right, correct, the humility is there.

1:09:32 Speaker 3: Paul goes on to say I do not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters sermons were stronger than my behavior in the congregate congregation, weren't they, jacob?

1:09:43 Speaker 3: Yes, my writings in the books, my writings of the track, my writings online, are they not stronger than my actual demeanor as I walk around on daily life?

1:09:54 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.

1:09:56 Speaker 3: There's a huge contrast.

1:09:57 Speaker 3: The letters are meant to be clarity, so you can get a hold of it yourself.

1:10:02 Speaker 3: That's what the sermons were about.

1:10:04 Speaker 3: That's what all the.

1:10:04 Speaker 3: They're strong, they're clear, they're powerful, they're unbending, they're everything that has to do with the truth.

1:10:11 Speaker 3: But I don't walk around.

1:10:13 Speaker 3: We all know pastors who walk around with, like Helen Brimstone, I'm in charge all that.

1:10:17 Speaker 3: That's all kind of there.

1:10:18 Speaker 3: There was just none of that in normal everyday life, was there?

1:10:22 Speaker 3: Jacob?

1:10:23 Speaker 3: Correct Paul says I will not be ashamed of it.

1:10:27 Speaker 3: I'm not ashamed of it, but I am a little embarrassed about it.

1:10:30 Speaker 3: All right, his letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he's nothing.

1:10:34 Speaker 3: That's the contrast.

1:10:46 Speaker 3: I'm just a man, just a man seeking to love Jesus Christ.

1:10:57 Speaker 5: All right, let's go with one last one.

1:10:59 Speaker 5: Sounds like the old days, jacob, when I was preaching and go ah, one last scripture.

1:11:04 Speaker 5: Go ahead and play 1 Corinthians 4.

1:11:06 Speaker 5: One last scripture.

1:11:07 Speaker 5: Go ahead and play 1 Corinthians, 4.

1:11:09 Speaker 5: The gospel.

1:11:10 Speaker 5: Therefore, I urge you to imitate me.

1:11:14 Speaker 5: For this reason, I am sending you Timothy, my son, whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord.

1:11:26 Speaker 5: He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere, in every church.

1:11:29 Speaker 5: Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming for you, but I will come for you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have, for the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power.

1:11:50 Speaker 5: What do you prefer?

1:11:52 Speaker 5: Shall I come to you with a whip or in love and with a gentle spirit?

1:12:00 Speaker 3: There you go, mr Simmons.

1:12:02 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 4.21.

1:12:05 Speaker 3: You can make a case for assault.

1:12:07 Speaker 3: What do you prefer?

1:12:09 Speaker 3: Shall I come to you with a whip or in love and with a gentle spirit?

1:12:14 Speaker 3: He liked to use the whip.

1:12:16 Speaker 3: He was on a power trip.

1:12:18 Speaker 3: The church didn't do anything right.

1:12:21 Speaker 3: That, one day after another day, was this boredom and this drudgery.

1:12:25 Speaker 3: They didn't even do birthdays.

1:12:26 Speaker 3: There was no definition of hours and days and sunshine.

1:12:31 Speaker 3: It was just depressing.

1:12:32 Speaker 3: It was this whip situation, right, jacob?

1:12:34 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

1:12:36 Speaker 3: Yep, there's no record of Paul actually literally using a whip.

1:12:41 Speaker 3: Correct, it's called dialogue, it's truthful dialogue.

1:12:45 Speaker 3: Paul saying look, I'll find out what power these arrogant people.

1:12:48 Speaker 3: This is not a game, these aren't word games.

1:12:51 Speaker 3: This isn't like a gentleness, like, well, I'm a coward when I'm in front of you.

1:12:56 Speaker 3: If need to be, look, if you want to go there, I'll go there.

1:12:58 Speaker 3: There's no need to go there.

1:13:00 Speaker 3: He says I'm writing you not to shame you.

1:13:03 Speaker 3: This is not to put you in a corner.

1:13:05 Speaker 3: That's what he said in verse 14.

1:13:06 Speaker 3: But to warn you like, don't push things to the point that I have to come in with some power and a whip.

1:13:15 Speaker 3: What is so difficult about that, jacob, as people discipline their children, like I told you once.

1:13:21 Speaker 3: You know, I told you twice don't do it a third time or you're going to have to stand in the corner or have your little quiet time out, or whatever.

1:13:31 Speaker 3: It is right, correct.

1:13:32 Speaker 3: So is the whole goal of saying that to a child so that you can go punish them?

1:13:36 Speaker 3: No, no, the whole goal is to say I'm the father or I'm the mother and I'm in charge.

1:13:44 Speaker 3: You need to listen to what I'm telling you, because it's coming from love and if you will not respond to that love, then you will be punished.

1:13:53 Speaker 3: Sorry, simmons, but this is the family of God.

1:13:56 Speaker 3: This is how the love of Jesus Christ.

1:13:59 Speaker 3: Love does no harm to its neighbor.

1:14:01 Speaker 3: Love always protects.

1:14:02 Speaker 3: What kind of loving pastor would I be if I watched people go into sin and just said nothing?

1:14:09 Speaker 3: Be a bad pastor.

1:14:12 Speaker 3: I'd be commended by the state of Washington because as long as you're nothing and you're kind of lukewarm and you just go, god loves us and everything's fine, it's all dandy and everybody lives their own little life, right, they don't mind that, correct.

1:14:24 Speaker 3: But do anything of substance and they're after you, he goes.

1:14:28 Speaker 3: I warn you as my dear children, this is the love and this is what you trampled on.

1:14:34 Speaker 3: Even though you have 10,000 guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers.

1:14:38 Speaker 3: It is true, some people call me father, not like Catholic father.

1:14:43 Speaker 3: It's an endearing of love and a relationship and, by the way, I never, ever, asked anybody to do that, did I Jacob?

1:14:52 Speaker 3: No, never asked anybody to call me Father, and I wasn't a father to everybody.

1:15:00 Speaker 3: Some people were already in Jesus Christ.

1:15:01 Speaker 3: They had other fathers that brought them to Jesus Christ.

1:15:04 Speaker 3: There are some people, though, that the first encounters of the gospel and being baptized for the forgiveness of sins and becoming to Jesus Christ, I was the one God placed in their life, and in that sense, that spiritual sense, I became their father.

1:15:18 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to replace their physical father, although we all become the family of God, and that's who we belong to, and other families sense all that.

1:15:26 Speaker 3: Look, I can't do anything about the truth of the gospel.

1:15:28 Speaker 3: You're either going to belong to your family, which is going to hell, or to the family that's going to heaven.

1:15:33 Speaker 3: Yes, you talk to them, yes, you're in a relationship with them, as much as they will allow that to happen, for in Jesus Christ, I became your father through the gospel.

1:15:45 Speaker 3: 1 Corinthians 4.16 would be another one.

1:15:49 Speaker 3: Therefore, I urge you to imitate me.

1:15:52 Speaker 3: You know that must goad them like crazy.

1:15:56 Speaker 3: They think this is just some big ego trip, jacob.

1:15:59 Speaker 3: Do you think it's an ego trip to?

1:16:02 Speaker 3: And I don't remember ever really preaching and saying standing up at the pulpit and go, hey, I want everybody to imitate me.

1:16:08 Speaker 3: Whatever you've seen of me, do that Be impractical.

1:16:13 Speaker 3: You'd have to be massively arrogant to say that without humility.

1:16:19 Speaker 3: Right, correct, again, I didn't even go around saying it, but it was like that.

1:16:25 Speaker 3: You should be able to look at any pastor, any servant that's in authority in the church and go.

1:16:32 Speaker 3: I shouldn't imitate them.

1:16:35 Speaker 3: If I want the blessings, I want what they are and who they are and their relationship with Jesus Christ, I should imitate them.

1:16:43 Speaker 3: Don't have time to look at it today, but you imitate me.

1:16:53 Speaker 3: What is my central life?

1:16:56 Speaker 3: Who I am pointing them to do?

1:17:00 Speaker 3: If you imitate me, then what's your only goal in life?

1:17:03 Speaker 3: To follow Jesus.

1:17:04 Speaker 3: That's right, to seek the living God.

1:17:07 Speaker 3: So it's not following me or follow me, which I'm pointing, only to Jesus Christ, only to him.

1:17:14 Speaker 3: Anything you want to say, jacob, no, take us out of here.

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1:17:25 Speaker 6: Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus.

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