#90, The Consider Podcast

Introduction to Jim Jones and Cult Mythology

0:05 Speaker 1: it's time for the consider podcast number 90 in the year of our lord 2025.

0:11 Speaker 1: Get ready to consider jim jones, the cult leader, tourist destination ex-governor inslee and governor bob ferguson take a ferry ride.

0:23 Speaker 1: Assistant attorney, attorney General Harmeet K Dhillon of the DOJ Civil Rights Division earns a Nobel Award and Senator Miss Angela Paxton of Texas gets a divorce on biblical grounds.

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1:06 Speaker 1: Now here are your hosts, timothy and jacob how's it going, jacob?

1:15 Speaker 3: it's going good, interested in a tourist destination, you know, a little family outing kind of thing sure yeah where yeah.

1:25 Speaker 2: Where?

1:25 Speaker 2: Where should I go?

1:26 Speaker 3: You'll have to get your passport in line and all your shots and all that kind of stuff.

1:31 Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, there's a brand new place.

1:35 Speaker 3: Well, they're considering making it a tourist place.

1:39 Speaker 3: And agenda you ever heard of Jim Jones?

1:43 Speaker 2: Is Jim Jones the Kool-Aid guy, I think.

1:46 Speaker 3: Yes, sir.

1:47 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Kool-Aid yes.

1:49 Speaker 3: You wouldn't remember it very much.

1:51 Speaker 3: Do you know the basic story?

1:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've, briefly, I've read about the basic story and the Kool-Aid and the cult, the cult word.

2:02 Speaker 3: The cult word comes from there.

2:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's where it comes from.

2:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where it comes from.

2:06 Speaker 3: Exactly that's where it comes from.

2:08 Speaker 3: I've mentioned the story before, but my very first what I would call official preaching job was in a very, very small town.

2:16 Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm preaching the gospel, the whole gospel, that kind of thing, and I get around to that.

2:22 Speaker 3: We should love our Baptist neighbors.

2:23 Speaker 3: You know that radical kind of stuff.

2:26 Speaker 3: But a small town, that's like blasphemy.

2:29 Speaker 3: I don't think so.

2:31 Speaker 3: Now, as it was, you've got to go back 30 years ago or maybe 40.

2:37 Speaker 3: So things were a lot different.

2:39 Speaker 3: Anyway, jim Jones just hit the news.

2:43 Speaker 3: It was just about that time, or maybe it had been a year before I started preaching kind of thing.

2:49 Speaker 3: So guess what?

2:50 Speaker 3: I was called because I preached.

2:53 Speaker 3: We Should Love Our Baptist Neighbors.

2:55 Speaker 2: Well, I think I've heard this.

2:56 Speaker 2: You were called like Jim Jones.

2:58 Speaker 2: What are you, mini, jimmy?

3:00 Speaker 2: Yep, it was my first experience with hysteria.

3:05 Speaker 3: You know group hysteria or mass hysteria.

3:07 Speaker 3: You talk about that where once something settles in of an emotional nature, it keeps it magnifying itself.

3:14 Speaker 3: So one person goes, yeah, I think that might be cultic.

3:17 Speaker 3: And the other person goes, yeah, that might be too, and I think he's got Kool-Aid in his house.

3:21 Speaker 3: So you can see how, eventually, what you get into is a state of mental breakdown and all it is is an emotional state of being.

3:32 Speaker 3: Nothing you say can get through.

3:34 Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

3:35 Speaker 3: You get so emotionally worked up.

3:38 Speaker 3: Maybe a good example, I don't know rock concerts.

3:42 Speaker 3: Have you watched now people in the audience, how they get so wrapped up in the music?

3:46 Speaker 3: Yes, it's all an emotional thing.

3:48 Speaker 3: It's not like you're going to be able to turn to somebody and go.

3:50 Speaker 3: What do you think about Einstein's theory of relativity in relationship to space travel?

3:55 Speaker 3: No, are they going to hear you?

3:56 Speaker 3: No, you barely would.

3:59 Speaker 3: Probably.

3:59 Speaker 3: Even now.

4:00 Speaker 3: I've never been to one of those kinds of concerts.

4:02 Speaker 3: I've certainly seen them everywhere.

4:04 Speaker 3: The old Beatles as they came to America are hilarious to watch because it started with the women.

4:10 Speaker 3: So you have this hysteria, this screaming, this emotional response to a group of guys that can just simply sing songs, all right.

4:30 Speaker 3: My point being with that is that once the emotional state sets in, there's no reasoning that can be done because they will not allow it.

4:32 Speaker 3: Now I'm sidetracking a little bit, but we saw that with the King County Prosecutor's Office in relationship to driving us out of the city of Enumclaw.

4:40 Speaker 3: There was a point where all the background noise I mean they had people telling them that I stole wine press and the emotional stories got higher and higher and higher and we already know prosecutors are pretty much unreasoning animals to begin with.

4:57 Speaker 3: So it wasn't too much of a step from there that the whole state, because of their anti-Christian let's not look for any evidence on matters get caught up in the hysteria Story.

5:07 Speaker 3: Make sense, I leave anything out there.

5:09 Speaker 3: No, all right.

5:10 Speaker 3: So my first encounter back to that again was I had an older lady at that time come behind me and just push me and go.

5:18 Speaker 3: What's your name?

5:19 Speaker 3: Is your name Jim Jim Jim Jones?

5:21 Speaker 3: Of course my name is Tim Williams, but you got the implication.

5:25 Speaker 3: All right so why are we going through all of this?

5:26 Speaker 3: We're talking, Jim Jones.

5:28 Speaker 3: They go down to Guyana, they build a compound, so to speak, camp, whatever you want to call it and they eventually wind up committing mass suicide.

5:38 Speaker 3: Now, when we say all of that, what kind of comes to your mind?

5:42 Speaker 3: Jacob, just bouncing stuff around?

5:47 Speaker 2: As soon as you say mass suicide, well, there's more questions than answers.

5:55 Speaker 2: I always go like well, who are all these people and why did they do it?

6:01 Speaker 3: The other question would be who do you associate it with Jim Jones?

6:05 Speaker 3: Do you associate that with right-wing conservative people or liberal people?

6:11 Speaker 3: If I say the word Jim Jones, who do you think of immediately?

6:17 Speaker 2: christianism right or, like you know, certainly regardless.

6:24 Speaker 2: Obviously I don't.

6:25 Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not supporting suicide, but religious freedom.

6:28 Speaker 2: You know, technically you should be able to have religious freedom in this country and certainly practice whatever religion you want.

6:35 Speaker 2: And then obviously I don't agree with mass suicide, though correct.

6:40 Speaker 3: Um, oh yeah, there's so many topics here from why would a group of people do this?

6:44 Speaker 3: Of course everybody wants to go brainwashed.

6:47 Speaker 3: We don't even have time to get into it too.

6:50 Speaker 3: There are army people that were captured by the Vietnamese and seriously went through brainwashing and never came out brainwashed.

6:58 Speaker 3: It's a different kind of thing that takes place, but anyway, brainwashing and the word called are for lazy people who don't really want to deal with the issues.

7:12 Speaker 3: All right, you proved my point.

7:13 Speaker 3: When you think, jim Jones, you think Christianity is really kind of what comes into focus, or extreme religious groups, or a church you don't understand.

7:18 Speaker 3: It's associated with the Christian side of things, correct?

7:22 Speaker 3: Yeah?

7:23 Speaker 2: I think.

7:23 Speaker 2: Well, didn't he claim to be a Christian?

7:26 Speaker 2: And then obviously I don't even know the full story.

7:28 Speaker 2: Clearly he was setting himself up as this I don't know next massive leader, right, but technically they said they were Christian.

7:35 Speaker 2: Have you seen the air quotes?

7:37 Speaker 3: Actually no, they never did.

7:39 Speaker 3: They were communists.

7:41 Speaker 3: Oh okay, and it was the democratic party that indirectly supported jim jones oh okay I didn't know that if I were satan, see, I'd make this a tourist trap because he's gotten so much mileage out of this little, really little and far apart.

8:00 Speaker 3: Often in history where you find these groups commit mass suicide, it just it.

8:04 Speaker 3: So he's used it for everything.

8:06 Speaker 3: I mean, you sit in a church, you bring brainwashed excuses.

8:09 Speaker 3: I don't want to get too far ahead of you, but yeah, I'd make it a tourist attraction too, because he's gotten serious mileage out of this event.

8:17 Speaker 3: But no, they were communists and the Democratic Party didn't actually directly send money.

8:25 Speaker 3: But the Democratic Party considered Jim Jones to be a hero of Democrats.

8:31 Speaker 3: Now think about it A hero of Democrats.

8:51 Speaker 3: They're lawless and will do anything to remain in power.

8:54 Speaker 3: But yeah, the Democratic hero status of Jim Jones and this whole cult thing down there was among Democrats, not among conservatives.

9:04 Speaker 2: Oh, so I did a quick Google, though.

9:06 Speaker 2: I mean he was considered like a preacher, I guess he was doing certainly his own thing, but his group was called the People's Temple, so it's all wrapped up in like churchy vibes though.

9:20 Speaker 3: Churchy vibe, but it's not Christian by any level.

9:23 Speaker 2: No, correct, he's just doing whatever he wants.

9:26 Speaker 3: And I didn't have time to research it, but down through history, if you looked at all the different Christian sects, I think you'd find very, very few, if any, that committed mass suicide, but there were always some Greek philosophers and other people that had all kinds of weird things.

9:41 Speaker 3: My main point actually is it's just how twisted and backward it all is.

9:47 Speaker 3: On no shape or level did he claim to be Christian, but what he did do was he helped feed the poor and he did all the things that communists do to win people over.

9:57 Speaker 3: He had affiliations with the Black Panther Party.

10:01 Speaker 3: I guess the most telling thing is his wife Jim Jones' wife directed that all of Jones' funds or money that she had that upon their death it should go to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

10:16 Speaker 3: Wow, all right, any comments or anything on that?

10:22 Speaker 3: No, just kind of an obvious like really a tourist attraction.

10:27 Speaker 3: Of course it's no different than oh, you'll find detectives and people doing crime novels.

10:33 Speaker 3: All you're doing is using people's misery and death and things about murder and things that aren't worth thinking about to promote yourself.

10:41 Speaker 3: This next section.

10:44 Speaker 3: I want us to commend somebody.

10:47 Speaker 3: I've been trying to get to this for a long period of time, but so much injustice and so many other things to talk about.

Jim Jones: Communist Roots vs Christian Perception

10:54 Speaker 3: We couldn't get there.

10:55 Speaker 3: Go ahead and play the intro, the award, and we just kind of want to mention this is really good, okay.

11:04 Speaker 1: This nation was founded on safeguarding religious expression, not eradicating it.

11:10 Speaker 1: Harmeet K Dhillon, assistant Attorney General, harmeet K Dhillon of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, you deserve a Nobel Award.

11:20 Speaker 1: You are worthy of our prayers because of your noble efforts.

11:24 Speaker 1: Philippians 4.8.

11:38 Speaker 1: If anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things.

11:43 Speaker 1: Such are our thoughts toward Ms Dillon.

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12:03 Speaker 3: She was appointed by Trump to head the DOJ's Civil Rights Division.

12:09 Speaker 3: That's kind of all I really know.

12:12 Speaker 3: But she's come out real.

12:14 Speaker 3: She's doing stuff, filing motions.

12:16 Speaker 3: This isn't just talk with her, this isn't like, yeah, I support religious freedom.

12:20 Speaker 3: She's actually going in and lawsuits or whatever it is or however they do their work.

12:27 Speaker 3: She's actually setting those into motion and verbalizing the whole quality.

12:30 Speaker 3: And I guess, as I saw this, it's like wow, contrasting that with Washington state that is so obviously anti-Christian, anti-moral, you know any type of self-discipline.

12:44 Speaker 3: It just really brings it to light.

12:47 Speaker 3: There's so much negative stuff within the legal system, so much corruption, that when I find somebody doing something that's actually worthwhile man, it is really worth noting and holding up as a good example.

13:01 Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to take away from our focusing in on the good that she is doing and, by the way, let's all make a little note as I talk about women's proper roles and things like that.

13:12 Speaker 3: It's not anti-woman.

13:14 Speaker 3: What she's doing is good.

13:15 Speaker 3: Now, there might be other things I would want to say spiritually, but in the position she's in and what she's doing, she's doing what's good and what's noble and what's right and we really should be praying for individuals like that.

13:27 Speaker 3: I can't say that.

13:29 Speaker 3: I've just really bent my knees in prayer, but it would be nice if she came in and they went into the city of Enumclaw.

13:37 Speaker 3: I mean, you could start making arrests as high and as low as you want.

13:41 Speaker 3: There are so many people that committed so many crimes in this, kicking us out of town.

13:46 Speaker 3: Look it up, you know.

13:48 Speaker 3: Call Detective Grant McCall to give you at least a stroke, and then the further they go on, the state of Washington goes on without actually taking action.

13:56 Speaker 3: These people become criminally responsible.

13:59 Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, anyway, she could take it as deep or as low as she wanted to go.

14:04 Speaker 3: There are so many aspects because every civil right, not just religion, was denied us, actually overrun and pulled away from us, correct, jacob?

14:15 Speaker 3: Correct?

14:16 Speaker 3: I know I'm kind of just any comments or anything on that?

14:20 Speaker 3: No, okay, all right.

14:25 Speaker 3: So then let's pull up, uh, this picture of two people that we know pretty well.

14:29 Speaker 3: Um, we'll see inslee and ferguson on the new electric ferry.

14:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, you see the picture there I do yes that's the new electric ferry.

14:46 Speaker 3: That isn't really electric all yet it still runs off diesel to charge the batteries and saves 25.

14:52 Speaker 2: That's the basics, right yeah, it's like well, I think it's.

14:55 Speaker 2: You know it's, isn't it like technically a hybrid?

14:59 Speaker 2: So, like there's some batteries, they're still burning diesel.

15:02 Speaker 2: But yeah yeah, it uses less diesel, I guess.

15:07 Speaker 3: You know why they're calling it a hybrid.

15:10 Speaker 2: I think, because that's what it is.

15:13 Speaker 3: No, it's because they're behind on production and they can't get caught up to actually make it happen fast enough.

15:19 Speaker 3: In other words, yes, it technically is a hybrid, you've got to use diesel to charge the batteries.

15:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's an incomplete job.

15:26 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it technically is a hybrid.

15:27 Speaker 2: You've got to use diesel to charge the batteries.

15:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's an incomplete job.

15:29 Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, it's certainly not all.

15:29 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, because I'm not getting on to you, but you're like oh yeah, I've seen this before too.

15:40 Speaker 3: They're calling it an electric ferry but, is it really an electric ferry if it's burning some diesel?

15:43 Speaker 3: Like a Tesla doesn't use any gas at all.

15:45 Speaker 2: It's electric supported.

15:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, anyway, yeah, but it's a sham and a scam.

15:49 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's so far behind and they're needing bids to build these new ferries.

15:54 Speaker 3: I mean, it had grandiose goals to begin with and we're talking like tons of money, correct?

16:03 Speaker 2: Yes, one of the people that they've interviewed, because they put up for bids and that kind of thing, and one guy, a contractor, came back and goes.

16:25 Speaker 2: You'll never see another ferry built in Washington State simply because of all the rules and regulations, environmental protection, nonsense, that goes on.

16:32 Speaker 2: So the whole thing is the typical fiasco kind of thing.

16:34 Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, it's a disaster.

16:35 Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, it's a disaster.

16:36 Speaker 2: In fact, I think this is the first time ever that any of these newer ferries are not going to be built in Washington State, because Washington State is Florida.

16:43 Speaker 2: Then they have to float them or drive them, boat them, whatever it is, all the way around through the Panama Canal and back up, and doing all that is still cheaper than building them here in Washington State.

17:01 Speaker 3: That's how bad it is in Washington State.

17:03 Speaker 3: You're far more nods, will this on me?

17:07 Speaker 2: Yes, I've read a couple of that surprising yeah yeah, yeah, it's a well, you use the word disaster.

17:10 Speaker 2: This entire thing is a giant disaster, and and why these two guys are saying that this is like a win?

17:17 Speaker 3: uh, is just a total lying joke yeah, one of the excuses uh, I believe fergus Ferguson gave because they were going look, this is behind and it's not anywhere near what you had in mind.

17:29 Speaker 3: And of course they're claiming pre-pandemic levels.

17:33 Speaker 3: You know it was the COVID and all that.

17:36 Speaker 5: that stopped all and slowed everything down.

17:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all that You'd think the world came to an end, with all the excuses about, oh, we couldn't get this done and we couldn't get that done.

17:44 Speaker 3: Yes, um, the truth is, and of course I'd love for somebody to check out, to find out how much investment inslee has in the quote-unquote green energy bill, because these things become like giant money things.

17:59 Speaker 3: You go.

17:59 Speaker 3: Why are you continuing this?

18:00 Speaker 3: Or all right, so that if you can't get ferries built and they have to go to florida, you have to go around the panama canal?

18:06 Speaker 3: You do all that.

18:07 Speaker 3: You mean to tell me?

18:08 Speaker 3: You can't just walk in to say, hey, let's make some laws, let's excuse these people, let's get these things built.

18:14 Speaker 3: It's like there's no interest whatsoever in efficiency.

18:18 Speaker 3: So you gotta, you gotta ask yourself a question are they just incompetent or don't care about efficiency, or is their hand in the pie, so to speak?

18:29 Speaker 2: I think it's all of the above probably well, one makes you the other.

18:34 Speaker 2: Uh, what do you mean?

18:36 Speaker 3: one, incompetent makes you morally backwards.

18:39 Speaker 3: Yes, this is yeah, it's all.

18:40 Speaker 2: It's wrapped in together, that's for sure all right.

Noble Work of Assistant AG Harmeet Dhillon

18:44 Speaker 3: So when you look at this picture, what do you see, Jacob?

18:48 Speaker 2: I see a guy who is I don't know why Bob Ferguson.

18:52 Speaker 2: He's always drinking sodas.

18:54 Speaker 2: I think I don't know why.

18:55 Speaker 2: First thing I notice is why is he walking around with a soda can in his hand?

18:58 Speaker 2: But anyways.

19:00 Speaker 3: I got you.

19:00 Speaker 3: Got you Anything else?

19:03 Speaker 3: No, nothing's shockingly sticking out to me.

19:11 Speaker 3: One of the things I do like about this is that Inslee doesn't have a tie on.

19:16 Speaker 3: That guy had the worst color combination of ties and clearly could not tie a full one.

19:19 Speaker 2: Neither of them have ties on Well, because Inslee's gone.

19:21 Speaker 2: He's a nice little vest.

19:22 Speaker 2: He's no longer governor, so he's Mr Chillaxed.

19:25 Speaker 3: And then the other guy never wears ties anyways.

19:28 Speaker 3: Well, Ferguson's governor?

19:30 Speaker 3: He doesn't have a tie on.

19:31 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, that's what I'm saying he doesn't, but he hardly, I don't, unless he's like in front of like a real camera.

19:37 Speaker 2: I guess maybe, but he's like, I think he's known eventually as a tie guy.

19:42 Speaker 3: uh, that because it implies professionalism, a seriousness, you just well, he doesn't have to think of what he's doing you just go with whatever the debased people want because that wins elections and you give them what they want.

19:55 Speaker 3: All right, so what you see?

19:57 Speaker 3: There's a couple guys walking out boasting and something that's kind of mediocre and really not worth your time.

20:03 Speaker 3: I mean, if it was a full-on electric and you actually had the, they don't even have the plug running up to the ferry to charge it.

20:09 Speaker 3: They have to totally do it by diesel on the actual ferry.

20:13 Speaker 3: They even admit that the ferry itself, that the average person riding on is not going to notice anything different.

20:18 Speaker 3: It's not even a little more quiet than the other ones.

20:21 Speaker 3: Maybe that's about it.

20:22 Speaker 3: So it's a walk on boasting about nothing, correct, anything about you're really boasting.

20:29 Speaker 3: Well, it didn't get completed, it didn't get done, all right.

20:32 Speaker 3: So what does God see when he looks at this picture?

20:36 Speaker 3: Because that's always the most important question any of us can ask ourselves, correct?

20:42 Speaker 3: It's not what do I think or what do I see, but how does God see this?

20:47 Speaker 3: So what does God see when he sees this picture?

20:50 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's disgusted.

20:53 Speaker 2: He certainly can't be happy with either of these two people.

21:00 Speaker 3: What I think of is the million or more babies that have been aborted in Washington state alone, that these two men both ride high and heavy on the abortion pro baby killing.

21:18 Speaker 3: Let's murder our children.

21:20 Speaker 3: Let us debase Washington State to its lowest level by getting mothers to contemplate and actually killing babies in their womb.

21:32 Speaker 3: That's just one thing that God sees.

21:35 Speaker 3: Then we started, so I'm kind of.

21:40 Speaker 3: What I'm getting to is, I mean, this is a man instantly we're talking're talking about Inslee at this point that he attacks grandmothers.

21:48 Speaker 3: He wants to listen in on confessions.

21:51 Speaker 3: He obviously was very instrumental in helping the Incol police run us out of town.

21:56 Speaker 3: He claims that we don't have.

21:58 Speaker 3: One of the things he did with the ferries is that he said, well, there's not enough money to continue and I'm getting up to a point here.

22:01 Speaker 3: Things he did with the ferries is that he said, well, there's not enough money to continue and I'm getting up to a point here so there's not enough money to continue the ferries, so we have to back down and slow down and get these different bits.

22:12 Speaker 3: So that was one of his things.

22:15 Speaker 3: That was going on, right, jacob yes, yeah, yeah, this is yeah, bob ferguson but bob ferguson they I probably said inslee earlier bob ferguson has promised Planned Parenthood funds by the federal government.

22:29 Speaker 3: Dry up, that Washington state will fill the gap.

22:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, so all the things that could be going.

22:36 Speaker 3: What God sees here is a murder, and somebody just committed to murder.

22:42 Speaker 3: Anyone that's like that can't produce anything good.

22:47 Speaker 3: You can't have the murder of a million babies and really they're responsible for a lot more than that simply because the records are incomplete and we're talking about joining a movement that is designed only about killing life and, by the way, life begins at conception.

23:06 Speaker 3: That's just science, right there.

23:08 Speaker 3: So, while they talk about global change and we need to do this and the science says this, remember Inslee said we should all wear masks because the science said that, but he wouldn't show us the science.

23:19 Speaker 3: He said we could request it if we wanted it and so on and so forth.

23:23 Speaker 3: Remember all of that, jacob?

23:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

23:25 Speaker 3: All right, so we have a man that's a murderer, luring children away from their parents.

23:32 Speaker 3: Then you know to chemical them up and do things.

23:34 Speaker 3: No reforms in family court.

23:36 Speaker 3: He hates homeschooling and he's used the attorney general's office when he was in for his own political machine for Democrats.

23:44 Speaker 3: Do we really expect this kind of individual to produce any knowledge, wisdom, to come in with any amount of justice?

23:51 Speaker 3: No, we do not.

23:51 Speaker 3: I'm comparing it to the other woman who came in and said you know that we just commended that she's doing everything in her power to ensure religious freedom.

24:02 Speaker 3: Would we expect, in her power to ensure religious freedom?

24:08 Speaker 3: Would we expect and as we look at this, as God looks at it that these two individuals would do anything, just neutral, to support freedom of religion?

24:13 Speaker 3: No, no, what we would expect is them to be anti-Christian, to be anti-religion, or really any group or anything that sets itself above the debased moral standards of Washington state.

24:28 Speaker 3: Correct, jacob, let's go ahead and look at Proverbs, chapter eight, and we're not going to dive deep into it, but I wanted to see the contrast between the woman that we just commended what was her name?

24:39 Speaker 2: again, Harriet or something like that.

24:41 Speaker 2: I can't really pronounce it.

24:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, hermit.

24:47 Speaker 3: Dilan yeah, we're probably getting it wrong.

24:50 Speaker 3: We should just play the file again.

24:52 Speaker 3: He's good with those names.

24:55 Speaker 3: Go ahead and play.

25:00 Speaker 5: Proverbs, chapter 8, and compare it to these two individuals.

25:01 Speaker 5: Does not wisdom call out?

25:02 Speaker 5: Does not understanding raise her voice On the heights?

25:14 Speaker 5: Along the way where the paths meet, she takes her stand Beside the gates leading into the city.

25:17 Speaker 5: At the entrances, she cries aloud.

25:17 Speaker 5: To you, o men, I call out, I raise my voice to all mankind.

25:23 Speaker 5: You who are simple, gain prudence.

25:24 Speaker 5: You who are foolish, gain understanding.

25:27 Speaker 5: Listen, for I have worthy things to say.

25:30 Speaker 5: I open my lips to speak what is right.

25:33 Speaker 5: My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness.

25:38 Speaker 5: All the words of my mouth are just.

25:41 Speaker 5: None of them is crooked or perverse.

25:43 Speaker 5: To the discerning, all of them are right.

25:46 Speaker 5: They are faultless.

25:48 Speaker 5: To those who have knowledge, choose my instruction instead of silver knowledge, rather than choice gold, for wisdom is more precious than rubies and nothing you desire can compare with her.

25:59 Speaker 5: I, wisdom dwell, together with prudence.

26:04 Speaker 5: I possess knowledge and discretion.

26:07 Speaker 5: To fear the Lord is to hate evil.

26:09 Speaker 5: I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

26:14 Speaker 5: Counsel and sound judgment are mine.

26:17 Speaker 5: I have understanding and power.

26:19 Speaker 5: By me, kings reign and rulers make laws that are just.

26:23 Speaker 5: By me, princes govern and all nobles who rule on earth.

26:28 Speaker 5: I love those who love me and those who seek me find me.

26:32 Speaker 5: Proverbs 8 1-17.

26:36 Speaker 3: There's a lot there we won't cover today.

26:38 Speaker 3: Certainly think of Lisa Manning, who she's again all proud of the fact that Ferguson got through by tough nail, fighting the hate crime bills, that they only apply to conservative and to Christians.

26:54 Speaker 3: But let me tell you something, miss Minion.

26:57 Speaker 3: Proverbs 8, 13 says to fear the Lord is to hate evil.

27:01 Speaker 3: Some hatred is good, but we know what you hate.

27:04 Speaker 3: You hate those who hate evil and you use your laws to oppress.

27:09 Speaker 3: To fear the Lord is to hate evil.

27:11 Speaker 3: I hate pride and arrogance and evil behavior and perverse speech.

27:17 Speaker 3: Hmm, who does that sound like?

27:20 Speaker 3: And we have every right in Jesus Christ.

27:22 Speaker 3: We have every right before a holy God.

27:24 Speaker 3: And we also have a right in the Bill of Rights, in the Constitution of the United States, to hate that which is evil, to speak against that which is perverse, to stand up for what would be good and true.

27:36 Speaker 3: You know to do what you should be doing and that is whole upholding the moral good of a society.

27:43 Speaker 3: Just a little side note there, just a little bit of like.

27:46 Speaker 3: No wonder out of orshing estate comes some of the most corrupt laws and applications of the law.

27:53 Speaker 3: I mean at every angle.

27:54 Speaker 3: I don't want to get off on that again.

27:56 Speaker 3: Any comments or anything on that?

27:58 Speaker 3: Jacob?

27:58 Speaker 3: No Amen.

27:59 Speaker 3: Wisdom resides with God.

28:03 Speaker 3: You'd have to humble yourself.

28:04 Speaker 3: You'd have to actually seek the living God.

28:06 Speaker 3: Proverbs 8, 14 says counsel and sound judgment are mine.

28:10 Speaker 3: You don't even see sound judgment among any of the rulers in Washington state.

28:15 Speaker 3: Everything's collapsing.

28:17 Speaker 3: Counsel and sound judgment are mine.

28:19 Speaker 3: I have understanding and power by me.

28:21 Speaker 3: Kings reign and rulers make laws that are just inslee, ferguson, minion, all these people.

28:30 Speaker 3: You are making laws that are unjust.

28:33 Speaker 3: You remember that?

28:34 Speaker 3: Obviously they hate crime out of washington state city of enum club.

28:38 Speaker 3: Plenty of information, proof, evidence to this day.

28:41 Speaker 3: They just ignore the crimes of so many people in official positions because it fits the narrative to attack Christians and homeschooling and all this good and basis.

28:51 Speaker 3: Do you remember what now this is Inslee did very quickly after the trial of Malcolm Frazier and the hate crime that we went through?

28:58 Speaker 3: Do you know what he did?

28:59 Speaker 3: No, I don't remember.

29:00 Speaker 3: Now I won't have the time frame exactly right because there was so much.

29:05 Speaker 3: We were literally being attacked before the trial, after the trial, during the trial and so on and so forth.

29:10 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of dynamics going on, but without getting into that whole story and arena.

Washington State's Electric Ferry Failure

29:16 Speaker 3: The first thing that Inslee did was promote judge laurie k smith.

29:21 Speaker 3: She's now at a higher court than she was.

29:25 Speaker 3: Guess who else he just happened to promote at the same time judge beth andrus.

29:32 Speaker 3: So wickedness rewards wickedness proof once again, since the trial was only about the church and the sexual allegations were just a pretext, anybody doesn't believe me.

29:43 Speaker 3: You can see the facts for yourself, unless you have some type of agenda against Christians or Sound Doctrine Church or this message Anything else, jacob.

29:58 Speaker 3: Before we move on to the next one no, anything else, jacob.

30:05 Speaker 3: Before we move on to the next one no, short note, I'm not even really going to discuss it much.

30:08 Speaker 3: Um, the one point within our legal system where there's any aspect of there could be good that happened is the jury.

30:13 Speaker 3: But we know that that is.

30:16 Speaker 3: That's even important of itself.

30:17 Speaker 3: But it is kind of a last hope, like maybe you might get some justice if you go to trial, because you can get a jury trial Correct.

30:24 Speaker 2: Correct it would be.

30:25 Speaker 2: You know, a jury of your peers is sort of the saying so hopefully they would be regular people, you know.

30:31 Speaker 2: You would hope that these average people would see.

30:35 Speaker 2: You know your side of the story and not the oppressive judicial system.

30:41 Speaker 3: Correct, and that's rare rare to find these days Correct.

30:44 Speaker 3: In fact, when a jury comes in the opposite or semi-opposite of a judge, he gets all testy.

30:51 Speaker 3: I don't have time to look at it today.

30:52 Speaker 3: All I'm really pointing to is over in England.

30:55 Speaker 3: They're going through a reform of the law systems and guess what they're doing away with?

31:03 Speaker 2: Well, they're attacking juries.

31:04 Speaker 2: Can you no longer have a jury?

31:07 Speaker 3: That is correct.

31:08 Speaker 3: Really no longer have a jury.

31:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, what it will be is anybody's guess.

31:12 Speaker 3: Here's a pretty good prediction that I think I would be pretty much 98% correct on.

31:18 Speaker 3: So if you want to have a jury trial and that will disappear, then they can rewrite and they're going to do everything by kind of a weird division, think of it rather than a courtroom.

31:28 Speaker 3: It's all like committees, a little more communistic, a little more dictator-type thing.

31:33 Speaker 3: We see that little bit of a movement here in Washington State.

31:36 Speaker 3: The Washington State Bar Association did away with bar exams, and the reason why they're doing that is because it's all about what a person believes, towing the political line.

31:49 Speaker 3: They don't want any independent thinkers.

31:52 Speaker 3: In fact, one of the things that the Washington State Bar Association stated was that, yeah, instead of a bar exam where you have a certificate saying you pass the bar exam, this will be a lifelong association and I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but the word was lifelong.

32:08 Speaker 3: In other words, the Washington State Bar Association will keep tabs on you the whole time you practice law and you get out of line.

32:14 Speaker 3: They're going to come down, and it was already bad enough for that going on.

32:17 Speaker 2: Correct.

32:18 Speaker 2: But now it's officially sanctioned, no need to take the bar exam.

32:26 Speaker 3: We'll just we'll help keep an eye on you, we'll make sure you're doing a good job.

32:29 Speaker 3: Well, you got to work.

32:29 Speaker 3: It'll be fair that it'll be just.

32:31 Speaker 3: They used all the proper pronouns.

32:33 Speaker 3: Of course there's a lie and mocking.

32:35 Speaker 3: How long do you think it will be before we start seeing with the united states a call to do away with jury trials?

32:43 Speaker 2: um, well, probably as soon as the you know, the democrats probably shift and get back into power.

32:50 Speaker 2: I'd assume it's going to be up there so 10 years, five to 10 years there'll probably be talk of it, and then how fast it's implemented, I don't know well, actually, if the democrats get back into power, all bets are off time frames oh, yes, that's like light speed into corruption.

33:08 Speaker 3: Right now we're just kind of into sonic booms of corruption.

33:11 Speaker 3: You know you, you're flying along, everything seems pretty good, you're traveling, or you go oh man, this is good, it's smooth.

33:16 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden there's sonic booms that happen here and there that just kind of wake you up like, oh okay, there's not some conservative supreme, semi-conservative supreme court judges like to just do away with juries altogether.

33:45 Speaker 2: You know, would be real, I think you know.

33:48 Speaker 2: If you're saying that's going to happen in two years, I would be like, eh, but will they continue to chip away at the?

33:53 Speaker 2: You know the power of of.

33:56 Speaker 3: You know a good jury for sure all of that is true in one sense.

34:00 Speaker 3: In washington state, at least in seattle king county, you don a good jury for sure.

34:02 Speaker 3: All of that is true In one sense.

34:02 Speaker 3: In Washington State, at least in Seattle King County area, you don't have a jury trial.

34:05 Speaker 2: Well, I know that's the thing.

34:06 Speaker 3: You have a jury, but you have no jury trial.

34:09 Speaker 2: No, they're all mindless drooling robots that you know.

34:13 Speaker 2: The prosecutor selected.

34:14 Speaker 3: Well, and don't forget.

34:15 Speaker 3: King County prosecutors refer to jury selection as their dog and pony show.

34:20 Speaker 2: It's a dog and pony show, so we can do whatever we want here.

34:23 Speaker 3: They have it so manipulated.

34:25 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you they win every time.

34:26 Speaker 3: But don't be delusional.

34:27 Speaker 3: When you see a cop get off by a jury saying not guilty, you can be sure that jury was manipulated.

34:33 Speaker 3: It's a dog and pony show to the state.

34:35 Speaker 3: Yes, when you see innocent people actually practicing the freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of speech, working hard, self-discipline lives, all of a sudden that can just be swept away like, oh, those rights don't mean anything.

34:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

34:51 Speaker 3: So we've kind of said the obvious.

34:52 Speaker 3: All I'm kind of warning people is that eventually you're not going to really have a jury trial.

34:58 Speaker 3: It wouldn't shock me that there is no jury selection because you can make a case for it.

35:04 Speaker 3: Nobody shows up worthwhile you can take everything I just said and say well, you know what, we just need to do away with the jury trial.

35:11 Speaker 3: We can run this thing through AI or we can do this lie detector test over here or the plea bargain.

35:18 Speaker 3: Or the plea bargain when you take a plea bargain, the powers can become so strong that, in effect, you really don't have a jury trial.

35:26 Speaker 3: You're already seeing judges pick on grandmothers that protest at abortion clinics Ferguson already did that and so on and so forth.

35:34 Speaker 3: So the corruption is moving very, very quickly.

35:38 Speaker 3: We'll just have to see where it all shakes down, but don't be surprised yeah, any comments when we go to the next section.

35:45 Speaker 3: No, do you know who?

35:48 Speaker 3: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and his wife are about to get a divorce.

35:57 Speaker 2: I feel like I saw a headline about somebody getting divorced in Texas.

35:59 Speaker 3: The divorce isn't too surprising, but the wife has taken the high biblical ground and saying I'm getting divorced from him because of biblical grounds.

Senator Paxton's "Biblical" Divorce Analyzed

36:13 Speaker 3: So now she's introduced scripture and, by the way, texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, feel free to give me a call.

36:20 Speaker 3: She wants to play the biblical game.

36:23 Speaker 3: I'm not justifying adultery or whatever it is you did, you're probably going to discover you weren't a Christian and neither one of you are.

36:29 Speaker 3: But my point is, if she wants to play the biblical game, that she has the high road because she's divorced and because of biblical grounds, well then, let's just talk about those biblical grounds, shall we Jacob?

36:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, go ahead and play the little clip here that just kind of announces what's going on.

36:50 Speaker 3: State Senator Angela Paxton is filing for divorce from her husband.

36:55 Speaker 3: Texas Attorney General Ken.

36:57 Speaker 4: Paxton, the state lawmaker, says she filed on quote biblical grounds.

37:00 Speaker 4: The couple has been married for 38 years and remained together during Paxton's 2023 impeachment trial.

37:07 Speaker 4: In a statement, angela Paxton said in part quote In light of recent discoveries, I do not believe that it honors God or is loving to myself, my children or Ken to remain in this marriage.

37:18 Speaker 4: The attorney general on X, saying the divorce is due to the pressures of countless political attacks and public scrutiny.

37:25 Speaker 3: Most of this is really the blind leading the blind.

37:27 Speaker 3: They both think they're Christians when they're not.

37:29 Speaker 3: But what I want to bring out is that she's all of a sudden hoity-toity, coming along and saying oh, it's on biblical grounds, as if she's morally superior for divorcing her husband.

37:42 Speaker 3: Let me read again what she said Today.

37:44 Speaker 3: After 38 years of marriage, I filed for divorce on biblical grounds.

37:49 Speaker 3: She wrote on X years of marriage.

37:52 Speaker 3: I filed for divorce on biblical grounds.

37:53 Speaker 3: She wrote on X.

37:53 Speaker 3: I believe marriage is a sacred covenant and I have earnestly pursued reconciliation, but in light of the recent discoveries, I do not believe that it honors God or is loving to myself, my children and kin to remain in the marriage end.

38:07 Speaker 3: Quote.

38:08 Speaker 3: Any quick thoughts, jacob the marriage end quote.

38:14 Speaker 2: Any quick thoughts, jacob?

38:15 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things, I'm sure, that don't honor God, and she's probably not doing a lot of those other things.

38:19 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to kind of get into that.

38:21 Speaker 3: If she claims to be a Christian, then let's look at the proof of whether she is a Christian or not.

38:25 Speaker 3: Okay, before we do that, because I'm not going to get into a lot of it is really her husband having moments of committing adultery and I'm not justifying that is grounds for her to divorce and ditch out on the whole situation?

38:40 Speaker 3: Really, when I think, okay, all the women in the past in the Old Testament who stuck by their man, so to speak, and trusted God.

38:50 Speaker 3: She knows nothing about the gospel that we endure suffering for the sake of other people.

38:55 Speaker 3: This is all about her, all about her.

39:01 Speaker 3: Well, let's go to 2 Timothy 3.1, and let's remember what she said.

39:05 Speaker 3: But, in light of recent discoveries, I do not believe that it honors God or is loving to myself.

39:18 Speaker 3: What marks terrible times, jacob?

39:20 Speaker 3: Terrible times.

39:22 Speaker 3: What would I look for if I go man?

39:24 Speaker 3: What are the terrible times?

39:25 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it's Democrats.

39:27 Speaker 3: Oh, can't go to the moon.

39:28 Speaker 3: Oh, the Chinese are being so.

39:29 Speaker 3: Are those the terrible?

39:30 Speaker 3: Oh, it's Democrats.

39:31 Speaker 3: Oh, we can't go to the moon.

39:31 Speaker 3: Oh, the Chinese are being so bad.

39:32 Speaker 3: Are those the terrible times?

39:33 Speaker 3: Oh, there's war over in Israel and there's war in the world, and drugs and border crisis and everything.

39:37 Speaker 3: What are the terrible times that all of us within the church who are disciples of Jesus and, let's say, anybody who claims to be a Christian.

39:47 Speaker 3: What would be the most terrible thing?

39:50 Speaker 3: What you went to the, what is one of the signs of the terrible times, what?

39:55 Speaker 3: Would they say?

39:55 Speaker 3: Jacob.

39:56 Speaker 2: Oh well, what would they say?

39:58 Speaker 2: Or what does 2 Timothy?

39:59 Speaker 3: 3?

39:59 Speaker 3: Both.

40:00 Speaker 3: I just threw both out there.

40:01 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Well, most people would repeat what you just repeated.

40:06 Speaker 2: All of the horrible things that are happening in the world surely were in the last days.

40:12 Speaker 3: Well, not according to God, and again, we want to see things as God sees, even if it's going on a little ferry ride.

40:18 Speaker 3: She said Ms Paxton I want to make sure I get her name right.

40:23 Speaker 3: Paxton said that she's divorcing because it's the loving thing to do for herself.

40:29 Speaker 3: 2 Timothy 3, 1 says well, let us mark this.

40:35 Speaker 3: That's why I said Mr Paxton, give me a buzz, we'll work up a brief.

40:39 Speaker 3: She wants to play the biblical game.

40:41 Speaker 3: We will demonstrate that she is not a Christian, has been in rebellion against Scripture.

40:46 Speaker 3: Now it's not saying you're a Christian, not justifying your adulteries or whatever else that you do wrong.

40:52 Speaker 3: That needs to be cleaned up.

40:53 Speaker 3: It's just simply to say she doesn't have the high ground.

40:56 Speaker 3: She has the low ground because she claimed the high ground that she doesn't own.

41:02 Speaker 3: But mark this there will be terrible times in the last days.

41:06 Speaker 3: Okay, what's the first thing?

41:09 Speaker 3: 2 Timothy, chapter 3, verse 2, says that we should look for and walk around and be on guard against Jacob.

41:17 Speaker 2: People who will be lovers of themselves.

41:22 Speaker 3: Oh, my lovers of themselves.

41:26 Speaker 3: She doesn't realize what blasphemy she's into.

41:29 Speaker 3: On the one hand, she calls upon God and she's claiming she's working for the honor of God, and then in the next verse she says I'm doing it because I love myself.

41:38 Speaker 3: People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy.

41:46 Speaker 3: You are unholy, I guarantee you.

41:48 Speaker 3: We're going to look at here in a moment.

41:50 Speaker 3: You were busy doing all this charitable work in this managed time.

41:54 Speaker 3: Is there any thought that the possibility that you drove your husband into adultery because you weren't living a holy christian life in obedience to the word of god and I just made a whole mega church?

42:06 Speaker 3: I'm of women, just seriously angry.

42:09 Speaker 3: People be will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love.

42:16 Speaker 3: Ms Paxton, a woman lays down her life.

42:22 Speaker 3: You gave your vows to stick with this man short of him being violent and beating you and all of those things that you intangible.

42:32 Speaker 3: Putting up with adultery, suffering with Christ and being faithful is what you should be doing and you shouldn't be doing it from the halls of Congress or any political position.

42:44 Speaker 3: We'll see that here in just a moment.

42:45 Speaker 3: Any thoughts before I go on Jacob.

42:47 Speaker 3: No, well, you got to figure.

42:50 Speaker 3: She's willing to trash her husband, she's willing to call upon God, to say that she's blessed, she's willing to love herself, to ditch out on a marriage.

42:57 Speaker 3: There's something massively wrong about that conscience and about that thinking.

43:02 Speaker 3: No wonder we get so many sloppy laws out of our government.

43:06 Speaker 3: All right, they'll be treacherous, rash conceited lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.

43:11 Speaker 3: What does verse 5 say?

43:13 Speaker 3: That they will have Jacob that we should also watch out for.

43:18 Speaker 2: Having a form of godliness but denying its power.

43:24 Speaker 3: Then, what is the commandment?

43:25 Speaker 3: What is the commandment?

43:28 Speaker 2: Have nothing to do with them commandment.

43:32 Speaker 3: What is the commandment?

43:33 Speaker 3: Have nothing to do with them Having a form of godliness, but denying it to power.

43:39 Speaker 3: Titus says they deny God by their actions.

43:40 Speaker 3: So it's not like you have to run around with these words going oh well, God can't do this, God can't do that.

43:45 Speaker 3: That's only part of what it means.

43:46 Speaker 3: The other part simply is your life is just not conforming to the word of God and you're playing word games.

43:51 Speaker 3: So what they do, of course and she didn't actually quote it as far as I know, I couldn't find it In people's minds let's go to Matthew 5, verse 31.

44:01 Speaker 3: Matthew 5, 31, Jacob, because there's this passage here that the church as a whole seems to use as a justification for divorce.

44:11 Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't say that you can divorce or that you should divorce.

44:16 Speaker 3: It just explains the consequences of divorce.

44:20 Speaker 3: Jesus said in 531, it has been said, anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.

44:28 Speaker 3: Kind of a certain situation, now, only it applies to men.

44:31 Speaker 3: Verse 32,.

44:33 Speaker 3: Jesus goes on to say but I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

44:46 Speaker 3: All Jesus really saying here.

44:49 Speaker 3: He's not saying you have to divorce or that you must divorce, Correct, Jacob?

44:53 Speaker 3: Correct?

44:54 Speaker 3: Actually, he's putting the burden here on remaining in the marriage, even though he's logically stating well, look, if your wife is committing adultery and you divorce her because of adultery, you're not causing her to commit adultery because she's already an adulteress.

45:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're married to a woman and you divorce her and she marries another man, then she becomes an adulterer.

45:21 Speaker 3: What he's really showing is just how tight God's word is in terms of commitment to come in and contemplate a divorce over these.

45:30 Speaker 3: Look, granted, he probably could.

45:32 Speaker 3: I mean, he's in Congress.

45:33 Speaker 3: You really expected, like he, you know he wasn't committing adultery.

45:36 Speaker 3: That would really be the shock.

45:38 Speaker 3: Correct, Correct.

45:39 Speaker 3: And he was accused of some things that he was cleared of eventually, and with today's legal system, I'd have to go on the fact of he was falsely accused, I mean, or cover up.

45:50 Speaker 3: Obviously it's two different directions.

45:51 Speaker 3: All right, Any comments before I move on further with this Ms Pacton situation?

45:57 Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to.

45:58 Speaker 2: What's interesting is, technically, even if we're going to use Matthew 5, 31 and 32 to justify divorce, it's actually referencing that the man is divorcing his wife.

46:09 Speaker 5: It's not actually.

46:10 Speaker 2: It's actually referencing that the man is divorcing his wife.

46:11 Speaker 2: It's not actually literally.

46:12 Speaker 2: The biblical example is the man could leave the wife, not the wife leave the man.

46:19 Speaker 3: Technically the way it's written.

46:22 Speaker 3: Well, and there's a reason for that because God holds women to be faithful to the men to a higher degree than he does the men to the women.

46:35 Speaker 3: I know that sounds sexist.

46:35 Speaker 2: I don't mean it quite well, what I said is also sexist, according to you know.

46:38 Speaker 3: Nowadays, pardon me, kind of cut out there what'd you say?

46:41 Speaker 2: oh nothing, I even what I said just now as far as the concept that she's not allowed to leave him.

46:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that's like a.

46:48 Speaker 2: Nowadays they would be like, well, that's a sexist thing, you know.

46:51 Speaker 2: Oh yeah totally well.

46:53 Speaker 3: She reflects the world.

46:54 Speaker 3: Well, let me give you another good example.

46:55 Speaker 3: Remember she's like.

46:56 Speaker 3: She's been through all these terrible times and he's had.

46:59 Speaker 3: You know all these accusations.

47:00 Speaker 3: You know life of turmoil and politics yeah kind of a shocker really right, yeah um and so and then he committed adultery, film the stuff and her excuse.

47:09 Speaker 3: It's not loving to me and it's not loving to the children, since we now know about these things.

47:14 Speaker 3: Well, clearly you weren't affected while they were going on.

47:18 Speaker 2: Yeah.

47:19 Speaker 3: Technically what she's saying, unless she wasn't aware what was going on the house and the home and everything was running as she thought was proper.

47:27 Speaker 3: It was only after she was embarrassed and put in a position where she didn't look like the noble one.

47:33 Speaker 3: Now she wants a divorce.

47:34 Speaker 3: Correct, it's a cover story to move on in politics, but that's beside the point.

47:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, just because you suffer a little bit in a marriage, think of Abraham and Sarah.

47:44 Speaker 3: Did not Abraham, not once, but twice, ask her to lie?

47:48 Speaker 3: Yes, and we don't have time to look at today.

47:52 Speaker 3: But he asked her to lie for the most selfish reasons, correct?

47:55 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, to save his own hide?

47:57 Speaker 3: Yes, and not only did he do that, he also phrased it like it was her moral responsibility, for her good, to lie and be put in a compromising situation, correct?

48:10 Speaker 3: Yes, you hesitate there?

48:14 Speaker 3: Would I lose you on some point?

48:15 Speaker 2: No, you didn't lose me, I was just remembering the story.

48:19 Speaker 3: Yep.

48:19 Speaker 3: So she didn't come home and say to God hey, I want a divorce.

48:23 Speaker 3: No, all right, give a little bit of perspective.

48:28 Speaker 3: Back to Ms Paxson again.

48:29 Speaker 3: Okay, ms Paxsonxton, I looked up all the busy things that you did and I don't have time to list them here because they're a lot, from being congress to volunteering you.

48:38 Speaker 3: She had a ministry to women.

48:40 Speaker 3: She did counseling, she was on this committee.

48:43 Speaker 3: She did all these things clearly a woman driven to make a name for herself and to be something except the one thing God wanted her to be, because we remember that to obey is better than sacrifice.

49:01 Speaker 3: Let's look at Titus, chapter 2, verse 1.

49:03 Speaker 3: Ms Paxton, this is what you should have been doing.

49:07 Speaker 3: This may be one of the reasons why your husband went off to commit adultery.

49:10 Speaker 3: May be one of the reasons why your husband went off to commit adultery.

49:11 Speaker 3: Maybe one of the reasons why he went off in other directions and things he shouldn't do.

49:16 Speaker 3: Because you didn't live this, you didn't teach this, your church doesn't teach it, you don't demand it of other women, you don't even preach it and show it to be a positive thing.

49:25 Speaker 3: What I'm about to say, you will consider oppressive, you'll consider legalistic, you'll consider some negative aspect for a woman's life.

49:35 Speaker 3: Titus, chapter 2, verse 1,.

49:36 Speaker 3: You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

49:39 Speaker 3: Would you agree with me, ms Paxton?

49:41 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's miss or missus at this point I guess it's still missus, mrs Paxton, should we not teach what is in accordance with sound doctrine?

49:50 Speaker 3: She would say yes.

49:52 Speaker 3: All her other women would say yes.

49:54 Speaker 3: All of her committees would say yes.

49:57 Speaker 3: Let me tell you there's a lot of talk within her bio about how she balanced family life with all these other activities.

50:04 Speaker 3: If you look at the amount of activities she was involved in, you would not be possible to balance it out.

50:11 Speaker 3: There's no way to do it.

50:12 Speaker 3: So what God sacrificed was loving her husband.

50:19 Speaker 3: Titus 2.2, teach the older men to be temperate.

50:22 Speaker 3: All the women are going oh, yeah, yeah.

50:24 Speaker 3: Teach all the men to be worthy of respect.

50:26 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that works too.

50:27 Speaker 3: I notice it says teach older men to be worthy of respect.

50:31 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that works too.

50:31 Speaker 3: I notice it says teach older men, but anyway, worthy of respect, self-control, sound in the faith, in love and endurance.

50:37 Speaker 3: I'm Ms Paxton.

50:37 Speaker 3: Christians are called to endure the sufferings in our lives in order to glorify God.

50:42 Speaker 3: Faith and love and endurance.

50:45 Speaker 3: All right, here we go, women.

50:46 Speaker 3: And is this what all your little committees taught?

50:49 Speaker 3: Is this what your little prayer groups taught Titus 2, verse 3.

50:53 Speaker 3: Please let me know if they did, because the actions do not match it if you say that you did Titus 2, 3.

51:02 Speaker 3: Likewise, teach the older women which really is you now, mrs Paxton to be reverent in the way they live.

51:10 Speaker 3: You know that is first of all.

51:12 Speaker 3: Scripture says if you have a dispute with somebody in the church, are we supposed to take it before the worldly courts, jacob?

51:19 Speaker 3: No, you might want to get a divorce and you can do the divorce, but you brought God in and you're putting God's name to shame by introducing that into the equation.

51:30 Speaker 3: You do know the Scripture right that says if you have a dispute I mean, I would consider this to be a marriage dispute Don't take it before the ungodly.

51:41 Speaker 3: And so you and your self-righteous opinion and your womanly things that you guys do decided oh, I'm going to announce to the world, I'm going to announce to all of Texas, I'm going to put it in legal briefs that this is about godly reasons and you expect the worldly courts to come to a proper conclusion.

52:03 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, jacob, I guess you're supposed to take her place.

52:08 Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry.

52:11 Speaker 3: Did I put you to sleep?

52:12 Speaker 3: Did the sermon go too long?

52:13 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I was just no.

52:14 Speaker 2: I was just.

52:15 Speaker 2: Am I supposed, oh, I'm suddenly, oh, I'm supposed to be her.

52:18 Speaker 3: I didn't know.

52:19 Speaker 3: I don't know.

52:19 Speaker 3: I was just looking for a response.

52:21 Speaker 3: Okay, I had to catch my breath.

52:22 Speaker 3: I don't you hear me talk all the time.

52:27 Speaker 3: All right, where were we at then?

52:30 Speaker 3: Teach older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanders or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.

52:36 Speaker 3: Okay, mrs Paxson, what's good to teach?

52:40 Speaker 3: If I would have said, send me all your materials, all your books, all your counseling notes, everything that you did to influence this church, make a name for yourself, be in a position, have a ministry, run for Congress, all these things, what would I find?

52:57 Speaker 3: What would be the common denominator of what you taught?

53:03 Speaker 3: Titus, chapter 2, verse 4, tells us that the older women are training the younger women to love their husbands and children.

Biblical Teaching on Women's Roles in Marriage

53:14 Speaker 3: Really, you've been training younger women how to love their husbands.

53:21 Speaker 3: What do you think, jacob?

53:23 Speaker 3: You think that's even possible, that it was going on?

53:27 Speaker 3: No, nah, not even close.

53:30 Speaker 3: For one thing, you're way too busy balancing all your selfish ambition, committees and activities.

53:37 Speaker 3: Husband's not even in the picture.

53:38 Speaker 3: I mean, he's busy enough, as it is right.

53:40 Speaker 3: I mean any husband that's actually working.

53:42 Speaker 3: Let's just say it's eight to five, but there's a lot of responsibility, going a lot of time away from the home.

53:48 Speaker 3: So the wife, as God had put it down in terms of godliness, is to be busy at home.

53:57 Speaker 3: And while the women are busy at home, they are training the younger women in the community and in the family and in the church that one day too, their highest calling will be to be busy at home, loving their husbands and children.

54:16 Speaker 3: You know, jacob, is it not sad?

54:19 Speaker 3: I can't think of one woman I know that knows how to love her husband.

54:25 Speaker 3: Correct, I mean, granted, my social circle is very, very, very narrow, but as I watch and examine and you look around, a woman going into a marriage today, how much wisdom or how much training has she been taught to love that husband?

54:46 Speaker 2: Zero, that husband, zero in fact.

54:55 Speaker 2: What's what's constantly, literally the example is how can the man cater to the woman.

54:58 Speaker 2: Correct, the woman is like worshiped, it's, it's, oh, it's not even like she wears the pants, it's.

55:02 Speaker 2: You know, that's like a worldly saying.

55:04 Speaker 2: It's almost like she is wears the crown.

55:07 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're just whatever the woman wants, she's supposed to get.

55:14 Speaker 3: Correct, it's man in terms of male serving female.

55:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, the complete opposite of what God has in mind.

55:20 Speaker 3: Granted, it's difficult to love any man.

55:25 Speaker 3: I mean, we're different from one another to begin with, correct, so you have to be taught.

55:32 Speaker 3: We think these girls are just going to grow up and it's like social media, the worthless Bible studies in church.

55:38 Speaker 3: What good is it to talk about love and godliness?

55:44 Speaker 3: And women, young mothers coming up, those that are going to be married, don't know how to love their husbands.

55:49 Speaker 3: There's, by the time you've learned it, either there's a wreck in the marriage or something else going on, or you're trying to pick up steam, or everybody's just gone into their own separate world.

56:00 Speaker 3: It's amazing to me.

56:02 Speaker 3: Okay, let's get on with the scripture before we go too much further.

56:06 Speaker 3: Read Titus 2.5, Jacob, and hone in on the one part that we're looking at especially.

56:11 Speaker 2: To be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the Word of God.

56:24 Speaker 3: Mr Spaxson, you are maligning the Word of God.

56:27 Speaker 3: You're twisting the Word of God to use it for your own self-righteous, electable whatever.

56:32 Speaker 3: It is selfish ambition that you want and desire.

56:37 Speaker 3: Titus 2.5 says women are to be busy at home.

56:42 Speaker 3: And we don't have time to dive into Proverbs 31, because we know scripture does not contradict itself, it will complement itself.

56:50 Speaker 3: So even Titus understood or actually I think it's Peter who's actually writing to Titus made the point that women are to be busy at home.

57:00 Speaker 3: Right, well, he knew Proverbs 31.

57:02 Speaker 3: So everything about Proverbs 31 has to do from being busy at home, not running off to be elected, and one in Washington DC and one here and one there.

57:12 Speaker 3: And, by the way, some of the subtext in here is that Mrs Paxson and her husband have been living separately for years, so this is like no-brainer.

57:20 Speaker 3: They're just moving into it as is, would be political beneficial.

57:24 Speaker 3: Then they can train their women, younger women, to love their husbands and children.

57:29 Speaker 3: That is a learning thing.

57:31 Speaker 3: It has to be taught by the message of the cross, but it has to be taught.

57:37 Speaker 3: And there aren't the grandmothers, there aren't the people that even know how to do it anymore.

57:43 Speaker 3: They wouldn't know what to teach Like if you went to the average grandmother.

57:46 Speaker 3: They're not even taking the time to be that involved to teach their granddaughters how to love their husbands and what to.

57:50 Speaker 3: Taking the time to be that involved to teach their their granddaughters how to love their husbands and what to do and how to be busy at home and how to suffer through all the boring times and how to rejoice in all the good times.

58:00 Speaker 3: None of that it.

58:02 Speaker 3: I'm sure they exist, but where are these grandmothers that could actually have the wisdom?

58:07 Speaker 3: I certainly don't see any books out on this.

58:10 Speaker 2: No, you do not Go ahead?

58:13 Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just saying, you don't see any of those books?

58:18 Speaker 3: No, not to the degree you might find how to have a happy family, how to do all that.

58:22 Speaker 3: In fact, Jacob, as you think about the breakdown of the family, and that's what we're seeing here.

58:47 Speaker 2: Who do you think's the most responsible for the destruction of the family in?

58:50 Speaker 2: Gives power to, yes, the evil government who's coming in and destroying the family.

58:57 Speaker 2: But it all started from within.

59:00 Speaker 3: Correct.

59:01 Speaker 3: It started with focus on the family, and you may not be that familiar with that term.

59:07 Speaker 3: They're pretty much just a publishing company at this point, but when I was coming up in the preaching years they were an up-and-coming thing.

59:14 Speaker 3: You know, save the family, they were involved in politics.

59:17 Speaker 3: But the massive hypocrisy, of course, is they left out the offense of the cross, which is Titus.

59:23 Speaker 3: That says you're supposed to love your husband and be busy at home, and in fact Peter will go on to say that wives are to call their husbands master, as Sarah did Abraham.

59:33 Speaker 3: So the offense of the cross is totally removed.

59:35 Speaker 3: So you had focus quote unquote on the family, and most, if not a lot, of the individuals working at focus on the family were young women and mothers working outside the home.

59:46 Speaker 3: Total self-deception.

59:48 Speaker 3: All right, titus 2.5, to be self-controlled, pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, to be subject to their husbands.

59:57 Speaker 3: I dare say, ms Paxson, you weren't even able to spend that much time with your husband to have to submit to anything worthwhile, not possible, not with all the things that you did.

1:00:08 Speaker 3: So, mr Paxton, again, give me a call, we'll lay this out.

1:00:12 Speaker 3: She wants to go there?

1:00:13 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to demolish it, because she's got no right to introduce God or scripture or anything else into just something that she wants to do.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: You need to clean it up.

1:00:22 Speaker 3: As Proverbs 14, 1 says, the wise woman builds her house, but with her own hands the foolish one tears hers down Again, mrs Paxton.

1:00:35 Speaker 3: Senator Paxton alleged that her husband had committed adultery and listed it as grounds for divorce.

1:00:41 Speaker 3: Now I'm coming across a little strong on the whole issue, but let me back up here and just say something that I heard for both these individuals.

1:00:51 Speaker 3: They have lived their whole life thinking they're Christians and not, or if they were like way, way, way back when, for six weeks, whatever, at summer Bible camp and came to the Lord.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: They are so far off target they are now into false teacher territory and their lives are leading people in the wrong direction.

1:01:12 Speaker 3: Look, if you want a divorce, get a divorce.

1:01:14 Speaker 3: That's part of the freedom quote unquote in the land.

1:01:17 Speaker 3: But don't claim God and don't bring God's scripture into something that you know nothing about and you're just causing God to look bad.

1:01:26 Speaker 3: Angela Paxton did volunteer outside the home while her children were young, primarily through church leadership in women's ministries and community service related to education and family welfare?

1:01:39 Speaker 3: Where's their time for the husband?

1:01:43 Speaker 3: Where's the time to be busy at home?

1:01:44 Speaker 3: How many women are going to be judged before God because, well, lord, I had a woman's ministry.

1:01:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, you did, but the woman's ministry is not at church.

1:01:55 Speaker 3: Women's ministry is every woman being busy at home, teaching the Christian neighbor next door how to love her husband, how to be busy at home, how to go through all these things.

1:02:06 Speaker 3: The breakdown in the family has to do with really a twisting and perversion of Scripture, all because everybody loves themselves.

1:02:15 Speaker 3: Now I think we've kind of ran the gamut of stuff.

1:02:21 Speaker 3: Anything you want to cover, jacob?

1:02:22 Speaker 3: No, then take us out of here.

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