#76 Prosecutor Jason Simmons, Happy Birthday Simmons pt 2

Examining the Absurdity of Court Logic

0:02 Speaker 1: let's continue our discussion about birthdays, but I'm kind of out of words because this is astonishingly stupid welcome to the consider podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly and madness.

0:18 Speaker 2: more information can be found at wwwconsiderinfo.

0:22 Speaker 2: Now here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob.

0:31 Speaker 1: How's it going today, jacob?

0:32 Speaker 1: It's going good.

0:33 Speaker 1: My breath is taken away because, as I contemplate more and more in fresh new ways this trial, this setup, it's so astonishingly obvious that this had nothing to do with reason or logic.

0:52 Speaker 1: Certainly, we already knew evidence was meaningless, but they really were after Christianity at its core, and it comes out really well in this whole birthday thing that we're looking at.

1:06 Speaker 1: Go ahead and play this court clip, jacob.

1:11 Speaker 3: Her life was the same every day.

1:13 Speaker 3: She didn't celebrate Christmas.

1:15 Speaker 3: She didn't really do anything that was unique.

1:21 Speaker 3: Her day was the same day in and day out.

1:23 Speaker 3: Really do anything that was unique?

1:23 Speaker 3: Her day was the same day in and day out.

1:28 Speaker 3: Well, she had her birthday.

1:28 Speaker 3: She didn't celebrate her birthday.

1:31 Speaker 3: You don't celebrate holidays in the Sound Alton church like that.

1:36 Speaker 3: For her, every single day was the same.

1:42 Speaker 1: There's no reason for her to remember when this started.

1:45 Speaker 1: Is everybody catching what he is saying?

1:52 Speaker 1: I mean, we're way past zombie territory that supposedly she can't remember when the alleged abuse started because we didn't celebrate birthdays.

2:01 Speaker 1: Isn't that what he?

2:03 Speaker 4: is saying yes, not only that, but she didn't he.

2:07 Speaker 4: He says she didn't do anything unique, nothing unique, nothing unique.

2:14 Speaker 1: Every day, every day was the same dull, mindless, because you can do the same thing every day and it'd still be exciting you can go and do if you were an artist.

2:23 Speaker 1: You're going in, you paint, yeah, but no, she, she would literally get up.

2:27 Speaker 1: It's just a monday gray day.

2:31 Speaker 1: It's kind of like having alzheimer's at a very young age and you just don't really know what's going on.

2:37 Speaker 4: It's like the movie groundhog day remember the movie groundhog day every single day.

2:42 Speaker 4: It's exactly the same.

2:44 Speaker 1: That's like what he's saying, yeah, except you could uh make a movie out of that.

2:47 Speaker 1: This is like nothing unique nothing unique.

2:51 Speaker 1: She didn't do anything unique I'm pausing here because that's everybody.

2:57 Speaker 1: You need to listen carefully.

2:58 Speaker 1: This is king county prosecutors in seattle, washington.

3:03 Speaker 1: This is their level of what they consider credible testimony mature prosecutions.

3:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is how they prosecute cases.

3:14 Speaker 4: Okay, what he wanted to say.

3:17 Speaker 4: He wants to stand there and say they are a wicked, evil cult.

3:23 Speaker 4: They are a wicked evil cult he wants, but he can't say that.

3:27 Speaker 4: So he's attacking because he's trying to say that, because Sound Doctrine was a cult and in cults I guess you do things the same every day.

3:37 Speaker 4: But actually that's not true.

3:38 Speaker 1: That's not even true.

3:38 Speaker 1: I know that's not even true.

3:41 Speaker 4: Even in a real cult, that's not even true.

3:42 Speaker 4: But that's what he's trying to say they didn't do Christmas, they didn't do birthdays.

3:47 Speaker 4: They are evil, evil, evil.

3:49 Speaker 4: He's just like McCall, like they're wicked and twisted and they're evil.

3:53 Speaker 1: And so I'm going to you know right, isn't that what he's?

3:56 Speaker 1: That's what he wants to say, because the whole thing, well, whole, well, no, he has.

4:08 Speaker 1: He has to explain why she cannot remember when the abuse allegedly started.

4:10 Speaker 1: Yes, all right.

4:11 Speaker 1: So since the okay, here's the deal.

4:12 Speaker 1: If every day were the same, I mean like this gray, dark purgatory no interaction, no people, it's all the same.

4:22 Speaker 1: You get up, you have the same oatmeal, you vacuum the floor yeah, like prison prison's the same exactly, but even more so the way he's describing it.

4:30 Speaker 1: It's like she could not remember any events because her brain was so dead.

4:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's what he's saying.

4:38 Speaker 1: Okay, let's just.

4:39 Speaker 1: Let's just take this at his word.

4:42 Speaker 1: Let's okay, you want to go down that line?

4:45 Speaker 1: Right yeah?

4:45 Speaker 1: So her every day was the same.

4:47 Speaker 1: This is this gray, blackish, murky-like nothingness, right, yeah?

4:54 Speaker 1: Then, all of a sudden, she's abused.

4:56 Speaker 1: That's not going to stand out in your mind.

4:58 Speaker 1: That would definitely stand out.

4:59 Speaker 1: I mean is that not an event?

5:01 Speaker 4: that took place.

5:02 Speaker 4: This would be a life-changing event if it took place, if it took place.

5:07 Speaker 1: she would literally remember that that would be the one event in her, whatever age she was.

5:12 Speaker 1: I was abused and they came in the room and did all this stuff.

5:15 Speaker 1: It would be like aliens came.

5:17 Speaker 1: You would remember, you'd get up and finally start looking at the calendar.

5:21 Speaker 1: It would be a huge wake-up call, wouldn't it?

5:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if every day were the same.

5:25 Speaker 4: Yes, well then you would think that her story would actually then be consistent, because the whole problem is like she doesn't remember, and this is why she doesn't remember.

5:33 Speaker 4: But, like you're saying, if everything was so dull and gray and this event was so unique, then she should remember this event.

5:39 Speaker 4: Oh, she'd have to, she'd have to, she'd have to, but she remembers it all wrong.

5:43 Speaker 4: She remembers it all wrong because it didn't happen.

5:45 Speaker 1: What's the other way around?

5:46 Speaker 4: Because it didn't happen she doesn't remember the day.

5:49 Speaker 1: I know, I know that goes along with his logic, like yeah, she doesn't remember anything because nothing happens.

5:54 Speaker 1: Every day is the same, that's right.

5:58 Speaker 6: She was never abused on this day, I know yeah.

5:59 Speaker 1: She was not abused on this day nothing changed, yeah so it's proof that she's lying.

6:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're.

6:06 Speaker 1: I'm taking a breath because you've got a jury of fools listening to this going.

6:11 Speaker 1: Uh-huh.

6:12 Speaker 1: What do you think you're doing watching the twilight zone?

6:15 Speaker 1: Go ahead and play that particular little intro for this, because he's listen.

False Accusations and Corrupt Prosecutors

6:19 Speaker 1: People behind the scenes king, county prosecutors despise homeschoolers.

6:24 Speaker 1: They despise christians, and what you're seeing here you need to pay attention to because they will do it to you or what we also discovered is behind the scenes.

6:33 Speaker 1: They are corrupting the whole process.

6:35 Speaker 1: You will not get due process.

6:37 Speaker 1: They will come in at every level to circumvent your right to defend yourself and to get the truth out.

6:43 Speaker 1: We'll get into that, hopefully, later on, but right now I want you to understand what he's saying that her mind was such a blank because we didn't celebrate birthdays and we didn't do all of these things.

6:53 Speaker 1: Well, if that were true, the day that the abuse began allegedly started, that would have been the biggest wake-up call in her life.

7:01 Speaker 1: That would be all she could remember.

7:02 Speaker 1: That would be.

7:03 Speaker 1: I'd remember the time, the season, the sun, what was going on in the house.

7:07 Speaker 1: Everything would come into focus.

7:09 Speaker 1: Otherwise, you'd have to literally be comatose.

7:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to be something wrong.

7:14 Speaker 1: Go ahead and play this next clip, the scene actor giving believable testimony.

7:21 Speaker 7: The setting seattle, washington state.

7:24 Speaker 7: Testimony.

7:25 Speaker 7: The setting Seattle, washington State, king County.

7:27 Speaker 7: Prosecutors.

7:27 Speaker 7: Opening intro to the Christian Zone.

7:31 Speaker 7: There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man.

7:36 Speaker 7: It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity.

7:43 Speaker 7: It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.

7:53 Speaker 7: This is the dimension of imagination, where time is meaningless.

7:58 Speaker 7: It is an area which we call the Timeless Christian Homeschool Zone.

8:05 Speaker 5: Prosecutor Jason.

8:06 Speaker 7: Simmons, she didn't celebrate her birthday.

8:08 Speaker 7: They don't celebrate holidays in the Sound Doctrine Church like that.

8:13 Speaker 7: For her, every single day was the same.

8:15 Speaker 7: She was homeschooled.

8:17 Speaker 7: Prosecutor Simmons, bible Study Questions.

8:22 Speaker 1: The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo and jacob, you'd made a really, really good point just before we came in, that for her, every day was not the same.

8:42 Speaker 1: In fact, every other weekend was different.

8:45 Speaker 1: Would you like to share?

8:46 Speaker 1: You know, and there's no way that Prosecutor Simmons, rich Anderson, I could go down like Judge Lori K Smith all these people knew this Her life.

8:54 Speaker 1: This is lie upon lie upon a dark kind of lie, because why, jacob, explain it?

9:07 Speaker 4: explain it.

9:08 Speaker 4: Because of all the kids in sound doctrine church, her biological father was not in the church and he had visitation rights.

9:10 Speaker 4: So I don't know the exact schedule, but I know that it was weekends and I believe it was like the traditional every other weekend.

9:16 Speaker 4: So she of all people, her, her, her mindless gray timeline was mixed up.

9:23 Speaker 1: So let's say she had the the mindless gray timeline was mixed up, so let's say she had the mindless time Then every other weekend she gets to go party hardy with the original father.

9:30 Speaker 1: Correct, and so they were.

9:33 Speaker 1: Did they not celebrate birthdays?

9:34 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she probably would have gotten a present or something.

9:38 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to guess they did right?

9:42 Speaker 4: No, they did, I guarantee you, they did.

9:44 Speaker 1: So her life wasn't mundane.

9:45 Speaker 1: She wasn't this mindless little creature she could attach it to.

9:49 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to my father to visit his weekend and not this weekend, but the abuse started over here.

9:54 Speaker 1: She had all kinds of frames of reference for dates because her life was in a constant state of turmoil One week with one parent, one week with another parent.

10:03 Speaker 1: Turmoil one week with one parent, one week with another parent, not to mention.

10:09 Speaker 1: It is a complete and utter lie to suggest that the days of sound doctrine were these joyless, yeah, dark gray.

10:16 Speaker 1: I mean I think of all the children's songs that my wife, who was alive at the time, the kids would all sing.

10:22 Speaker 1: One of them is this is the day the Lord has made.

10:26 Speaker 1: We will rejoice.

10:27 Speaker 1: Every Mr Simmons and King County prosecutors and all of you unrepentant sinners need to understand that to us in Sound Doctrine Church, every single day is special because it is the day the Lord has made.

10:42 Speaker 1: Go ahead and do a little search for a kid's song that says we rejoice now because this is the day the Lord has made.

10:44 Speaker 1: Go ahead and do a little search for a kid's song that says we rejoice now because this is the day the Lord has made.

10:48 Speaker 1: It's sung all the time.

10:50 Speaker 1: Every day was special.

10:51 Speaker 1: Besides, you know what, if I had come in as a supposed cult leader and said we're not going to celebrate birthdays, all the women would have gone for it because they wouldn't have had to tell how old they are, so this would have been a very popular one to go on.

11:12 Speaker 6: We will rejoice.

11:12 Speaker 6: We will rejoice and be glad in it and be glad in it, For this is the day that the Lord has made.

11:29 Speaker 6: We will rejoice and be glad in it.

11:33 Speaker 6: This is the day.

11:36 Speaker 6: This is the day that the Lord has made.

11:45 Speaker 1: You know you keep playing that I'm going to burst into singing too, and we definitely don't want that.

11:49 Speaker 1: There was so much joy in Sound Doctrine Church.

11:56 Speaker 4: You know, what's sad is that, mr Simmons, there are real abuse cases out there, right, there are real abuse cases out there, right, there are real abuse cases that you can go.

12:08 Speaker 4: You know it's unfortunately, it's the classic.

12:10 Speaker 4: Like the kid was physically beaten and and physically beaten as in like there's actual like marks on his body.

12:17 Speaker 4: It wasn't fair what you call evidence yeah, actual evidence but you know what I mean, because it is true that there are cases in america where kids are abused, they're neglected.

12:26 Speaker 1: The you know every day is this, sure, but it's just sad because it's also like it's.

12:32 Speaker 4: It's like insulting to them as well.

12:34 Speaker 1: You're like he's lying well, what's really sad is they'd have plea bargained out and they would have got, like I know, yeah, less of a sentence, only people who actually are innocent, correct and who want to go to trial and want to prove their innocence.

12:46 Speaker 1: Then they're punished, and then the judge and the prosecutors do everything in their power to be sure that they cannot present a defense, and then, of course, you're broken, busted by the end of it.

12:55 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Simmons, this is a day the Lord has made.

12:59 Speaker 1: We rejoice and be glad in it.

13:01 Speaker 1: The kids were Jacob.

13:08 Speaker 1: You grew up in the church, right?

13:08 Speaker 1: Yes, when did you become aware of time?

13:09 Speaker 1: Because, according to what he's saying here, malia got up every day and it was all gray and dark and so she had no sense of well, this is Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday.

13:16 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't even celebrate Christmas, we don't do things like that.

13:19 Speaker 1: So when did you become aware of the fact that there really was a thing called time and dates and events like fall season and all of that?

13:30 Speaker 4: I think any kid I feel like every kid at some point in their life wants a watch.

13:34 Speaker 4: As soon as you have a watch and you learn to tell time.

13:38 Speaker 4: Then you have an awareness of time.

13:44 Speaker 1: You know you're answering that in a very deep way.

13:46 Speaker 1: I'm like going, this is a stupid question.

13:49 Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, we lived downtown Enumclaw.

13:53 Speaker 1: She had a separate family.

13:55 Speaker 1: We were busy in the community.

13:57 Speaker 1: Homeschooling was extremely active, field trips, doing all kinds of activities.

Challenging the Absurdity of Prosecutors

14:02 Speaker 1: Carla ensured that it was an extremely fun time.

14:05 Speaker 1: A learning curve.

14:05 Speaker 1: She was into books, by the way.

14:07 Speaker 1: She also wrote books and she really was the author of all the books.

14:10 Speaker 1: But anyway, the kids were highly involved.

14:12 Speaker 1: There was a deep interaction.

14:14 Speaker 1: We're going to get to it next in what do you mean by fellowship?

14:17 Speaker 1: Well, mr Simmons, the fellowship really is everything the joy, the fellowship, the comradeship, the purity, the holiness.

14:23 Speaker 1: Nothing you know anything about, but these kinds of to take this to a prosecutor level- yeah, this is crazy, you're in insanity territory.

14:37 Speaker 4: Like this is yeah, you're such a well.

14:38 Speaker 1: Okay, he's an evil prosecutor, but like really man, this is your way out.

14:40 Speaker 4: Like, if we're talking about, like, the professionalism of a prosecutor, prosecutor, this is what you come up with, yeah.

14:46 Speaker 4: This is like insulting to other prosecutors, even though they're all bad.

14:49 Speaker 1: At best it's a psychobabble.

14:50 Speaker 1: And if this were true, where's your psychologist that comes in and goes.

14:53 Speaker 1: She's suffering from mental time displacement.

14:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, where's the expert, Where's the expert?

14:58 Speaker 1: Where's the expert?

15:00 Speaker 1: See, part of the problem is we don't want.

15:09 Speaker 1: You can't defend yourself when you go to court because they just make up correct, they're just reality, they're lying, lying.

15:12 Speaker 1: There needs to be a law that's passed that unless they have actually proven a point, they can't bring it up because you're getting into fan.

15:15 Speaker 1: He might as well be a fiction writer, yeah, or science fiction, fantasy fiction, do a lord of the rings or the lord of stupidity or whatever, but this has nothing to do with reality.

15:25 Speaker 1: And then it can change the dynamics.

15:27 Speaker 1: Suppose you come in and you answer this Well, then he can just make up something that's not been proven, it's not related, and you're going.

15:34 Speaker 1: Where did that come from?

15:35 Speaker 1: She wore a green dress every day.

15:37 Speaker 1: What's that got to do with anything?

15:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that got to do with?

15:39 Speaker 1: anything.

15:40 Speaker 1: But see, he's allowed to make all this up and you're not allowed to bring in their family situation or what's going on or anything you know he talks about.

15:47 Speaker 1: Oh, she was homeschooled.

15:48 Speaker 1: She was homeschooled when we tried to get the public school records.

15:51 Speaker 1: Guess what?

15:51 Speaker 1: We weren't allowed to do that.

15:53 Speaker 1: We couldn't know anything about her, but supposedly he could sling all these lies out here.

15:58 Speaker 1: It reminds me of Proverbs 29.9.

16:00 Speaker 1: It says if a wise man goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs and there is no peace.

16:10 Speaker 1: And that's what this whole trial and ordeal was about.

16:11 Speaker 1: It was stupid from day one.

16:12 Speaker 1: All the way down you have detecting grant mccall planting specific evidence, saying things she never said.

16:20 Speaker 1: It's extremely clear that this was a setup by a lot of people.

16:24 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to tails right now because that would be something we would go into any different.

16:32 Speaker 1: Play the clip one more time.

16:33 Speaker 1: People need to really let this sink in of just how absurd the prosecutor system really is.

16:41 Speaker 1: When you go to jury duty, understand that by the time you're sitting in that jury box, complete idiocy has come up through the system and what you're seeing is a complete facade and a lie on every level.

16:54 Speaker 1: You need to assume that that judge, every time he or she opens her mouth, it's flat out lying.

16:59 Speaker 1: You can be sure the prosecutor is lying and you can be sure their witnesses are lying because they reward their witnesses.

17:07 Speaker 1: We're going to get into it later.

17:08 Speaker 1: The amount of people she had surrounding her to help her in these lies is staggering, and there's no way they weren't manipulating her, prompting her, moving her in a direction so that she would say exactly what the narrative should be.

17:23 Speaker 1: Play this again and let it sink into us.

17:25 Speaker 1: I know we're hammering it, but listen to the absurdity.

17:28 Speaker 1: And this is just one aspect.

17:30 Speaker 1: If anybody were a reasonable person, sit down and look at the whole thing.

17:34 Speaker 1: This is, this is not out of the norm.

17:36 Speaker 1: This is absurdity.

17:37 Speaker 1: Number what?

17:38 Speaker 1: 200, yeah, and it just goes down down.

17:40 Speaker 1: One more time she was homeschooled.

17:43 Speaker 1: We didn't celebrate birthdays or christmases, remember?

17:46 Speaker 1: We gave to the poor.

17:47 Speaker 1: Evil, evil.

17:48 Speaker 1: You don't give to the poor without what?

17:50 Speaker 1: Somehow losing your mind.

17:52 Speaker 1: Anyway, go ahead and play.

17:53 Speaker 1: This is court testimony that we recorded.

17:57 Speaker 3: Her life was the same every day.

17:59 Speaker 3: She didn't celebrate Christmas.

18:02 Speaker 3: She didn't really do anything that was unique.

18:08 Speaker 3: Her day was the same day in and day out.

18:10 Speaker 3: Well, she had her birthday.

18:14 Speaker 3: She didn't celebrate her birthday.

18:15 Speaker 3: You don't celebrate holidays in the Sound Doctrine Church like that.

18:19 Speaker 3: For her, every single day was the same.

18:22 Speaker 3: There's no reason for her to remember when this started.

18:29 Speaker 4: You know I'm not an expert on other religions, but I'm pretty sure Muslims don't celebrate birthdays.

18:37 Speaker 4: No, they don't.

18:38 Speaker 4: So are we going to?

18:39 Speaker 4: Should we go you to?

18:41 Speaker 4: Should we go arrest all the Muslims?

18:43 Speaker 1: Oh, I think prosecutors are evil.

18:45 Speaker 4: He ought to go do for it.

18:46 Speaker 4: The parents are evil.

18:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, anyways, and they have those there's so many other, even like I'm using, groups of people that also don't do birthdays, are not into it, and all the gifts and cakes.

18:58 Speaker 4: There's actually even plenty of people that don't, and there's a variation on top of all that.

19:06 Speaker 4: Variations, oh, and a lot of cultures, other cultures, right like you're, you're the, I think, is japanese.

19:08 Speaker 4: You give the gifts to somebody else, or something.

19:10 Speaker 4: Oh, so they're all evil too.

19:12 Speaker 1: All their lives are ruined and they're split families where some families the parent that's not the parent will give the gift, and the other parent they're isolated from there's.

19:20 Speaker 1: There's a whole gamma stuff for him to you know.

19:23 Speaker 1: Again, I'm shaking my head, I'm lost for words, because it's like every time I started saying, well, yeah, it's just stupid, it's just yeah.

19:29 Speaker 1: And let me, okay, here's a fundamental question.

19:31 Speaker 1: Um, and it was a joke that went around the church, did I assume, since we didn't celebrate birthdays, right, yeah?

19:40 Speaker 1: And and we didn't celebrate Christmas and the traditional Santa Claus get gifts, right?

19:44 Speaker 1: You never?

19:47 Speaker 4: ever got gifts, right?

19:48 Speaker 4: What do you mean?

19:49 Speaker 4: Never got gifts?

19:50 Speaker 1: Well, that's the only time that people give gifts, right?

19:53 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because you got Mother's Day, which is almost a federal law, that if you don't give mom a card, or a call you're in deep trouble.

20:02 Speaker 1: Father's Day is not so much, that's a misdemeanor kind of thing if you miss that.

20:05 Speaker 1: In other words, we've got this whole cultural thing going on.

20:07 Speaker 1: So the implication he is having is well, we didn't do birthdays, so therefore there was no special attention, there was no significance of saying I love you, there was no giving gifts or anything else.

20:19 Speaker 1: So there used to be a joke because you wound up getting more gifts throughout the year, correct?

20:25 Speaker 4: It was a loving church.

20:26 Speaker 4: It was a gift, so people got gifts all the time.

20:29 Speaker 1: Yes, people gave gifts to each other.

20:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, or, like a lot of times, Christmas.

20:37 Speaker 4: These traditional American times are when people get together and have food and you play games and, like you know, la, la, la, la right Norman Rockwell type stuff.

20:48 Speaker 4: Yes, in the church we did that kind of stuff all the time, all the time.

20:54 Speaker 4: We just didn't do it necessarily on Christmas, although, as we already talked about, we actually did poor boxes.

21:00 Speaker 4: There was still food, so we actually did.

21:02 Speaker 1: Actually, we had more fun than the people doing the selfies around the tree.

21:04 Speaker 1: So the wording forces us into a corner to be defensive.

21:08 Speaker 1: It's the other way around.

21:09 Speaker 1: It's the other way around.

21:10 Speaker 1: Ours was the joy.

21:11 Speaker 4: We had tons of get-togethers, tons of picnics in the summer.

21:16 Speaker 1: People were always invited.

21:17 Speaker 1: No-transcript.

21:38 Speaker 4: All the same stuff that all the whiny little kids in public school go do on their field trips At Sound Doctrine Church.

21:43 Speaker 4: All of the homeschoolers did that too.

21:45 Speaker 4: You went and you went on field trips and you did all that stuff.

21:48 Speaker 4: It's the same stuff.

21:49 Speaker 4: It was just at home and not in a horrible public school system.

21:53 Speaker 1: And because we were all alive, it happened so much.

21:56 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of hate to confess this, but so many events went on and they were so busy doing fun stuff and it had its serious overtone.

22:05 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong life is a serious matter.

22:07 Speaker 1: Life is serious.

22:08 Speaker 1: Being a christian is serious, exactly.

22:10 Speaker 1: You might be prosecuted, you might be persecuted.

22:12 Speaker 1: So there's an element of soberness in all of these things, correct, and that's part of what the false accusers kept focusing in.

22:19 Speaker 1: It was all this sober part, so they never came in on the joyful part, but anyway, I was always invited to go to all these things and I was usually no, I can't go or I don't want to go because it was just constant and all the time.

22:32 Speaker 1: But it wasn't that we were down, I was down on them, it's just I literally didn't have the time.

22:37 Speaker 1: It's a little difficult, uh, mr simmons, to keep a church clean and holy and protected from evil outside sources that lie against you, as you well have participated.

22:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you wonder why we didn't want to stick kids in the public school system.

22:52 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely.

22:53 Speaker 4: You know, what I mean.

22:54 Speaker 1: He's part of the problem.

22:55 Speaker 1: In fact, I bet if we could get into those records and the environment that she was in public school, this is where she learned to false accuse.

23:02 Speaker 1: This is where it all became extremely exaggerated.

23:06 Speaker 1: The hatred for Christianity.

23:08 Speaker 1: That's where she lived.

23:09 Speaker 1: That's why they fought so hard to keep us getting into those records.

23:12 Speaker 1: And we never did get those records, by the way.

23:13 Speaker 1: We never did Because you know well you can't even really question the false accuser.

23:18 Speaker 1: The only time you really get to is when they're on the stand and by.

23:20 Speaker 1: Then they've been mightily and let me.

23:23 Speaker 1: It was like they might have influenced, coached influence.

23:26 Speaker 1: They're the ones that's why they think that's what we're doing.

23:28 Speaker 1: You know, mr simmons, here's a point that that I'm probably a little early on, but you thought behind the scenes I was having like daily meetings telling everybody here's what we say and here's what we do.

23:40 Speaker 1: None of that went on like zero.

23:43 Speaker 1: All I ever said was tell the truth.

23:45 Speaker 1: And I was too busy defending the church and too busy fighting off your lying attacks and the hate crime that was going on to have any type of meeting to say we need to do this or do that.

23:56 Speaker 1: And I didn't want to do that because I wanted everybody to learn and the Lord had made it clear they needed to stand on their own.

24:02 Speaker 1: That was their moment to really stand up and declare the truth.

24:07 Speaker 1: So don't judge me by your heart and what you prosecutors do, and we have the proof for it.

24:12 Speaker 1: Don't even go there and try and go.

24:14 Speaker 1: No, we're all independent.

24:15 Speaker 1: You are anything but professional on every level.

24:18 Speaker 1: Judge Laurie K Smith.

24:18 Speaker 1: You flat out lie and you harbor liars all to win your Woman of the Year award.

24:26 Speaker 1: You need to repent on every level.

24:29 Speaker 1: Let's go on and talk about another birthday.

24:33 Speaker 1: Let's talk about John the Baptist's birthday and you'll like this one, mr Simmons.

24:37 Speaker 1: This has to do with authorities and places and doing harm to godly men and women.

24:43 Speaker 1: Go ahead and play the clip here and then we'll come in and discuss this.

24:49 Speaker 5: Mark 6, 17 through 29.

24:52 Speaker 5: For Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested and he had him bound and put in prison.

The False Accusation Setup

24:58 Speaker 5: He did this because of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married, for John had been saying to Herod it is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.

25:10 Speaker 5: So Herodias nursed a grudge against John and wanted to kill him, but she was not able to do so because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous and holy man.

25:23 Speaker 5: When Herod heard John, he was greatly puzzled, yet he liked to listen to him.

25:30 Speaker 5: Finally, the opportune time came.

25:32 Speaker 5: On his birthday, herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee.

25:40 Speaker 5: When the daughter of Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests.

25:46 Speaker 5: The king said to the girl Ask me for anything you want and I'll give it to you.

25:52 Speaker 5: And he promised her with an oath Whatever you ask, I will give you up to half my kingdom.

25:59 Speaker 5: She went out and said to her mother what should I ask for the head of John the Baptist?

26:06 Speaker 5: She answered.

26:07 Speaker 5: At once, the girl hurried into the king with a request I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter.

26:17 Speaker 5: The king was greatly distressed but because of his oaths and his dinner guests he did not want to refuse her.

26:25 Speaker 5: So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John's head.

26:30 Speaker 5: The man went beheaded John in the prison and brought back his head on a platter.

26:36 Speaker 5: He presented it to the girl and she gave it to her mother.

26:40 Speaker 5: On hearing of this, john's disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.

26:48 Speaker 1: Happy birthday.

26:48 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, mr Simmons.

26:52 Speaker 1: This is what you did.

26:55 Speaker 1: You come in because we preach the gospel of truth to people, the need to repent, and we preach very specifically.

27:05 Speaker 1: By the love and grace of God, you decided that that shouldn't be heard anymore, and so this whole thing was concocted and arranged.

27:14 Speaker 1: It's abundantly clear this was a setup by Detective Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

27:20 Speaker 1: You wanted to hear what you wanted to hear, and it's no wonder you emphasize birthdays as the central point, as we saw in the previous podcast, satan's high holy day and that's kind of a contradiction in terms, but high unholy day is birthdays.

27:40 Speaker 1: Now you'll notice it says in Mark 6, verse 25,.

27:44 Speaker 1: Actually, let's see blah, blah, blah.

27:47 Speaker 1: Let's go up to go ahead and read 23, 24, and 25, jacob.

27:54 Speaker 4: The king said to the girl ask me for anything you want and I'll give it to you.

27:59 Speaker 4: And he promised her with an oath whatever you ask, I will give you up to half my kingdom.

28:05 Speaker 4: She went out and said to her mother Whoa whoa hang on.

28:09 Speaker 1: What was her first reaction?

28:09 Speaker 1: I mean, she did this fine dance, she's being praised, all this attention, you know, all the drinking drugs and all that going on, you know, and he's going.

28:18 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's clearly tipsy huh, clearly tipsy, yeah, exactly.

28:25 Speaker 1: So what's her first reaction?

28:27 Speaker 1: Like he turns to her and says I will give you anything up to half of my kingdom.

28:34 Speaker 1: Does she ask for, like, a new dress, or a new ipod, or you know, I don't know, car, car, whatever they're back in a chariot, a new chariot with horses now I want you to pay attention.

28:46 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let jacob answer this question, because first I want to read from king county prosecutor jason simmons court testimony lines 12, 13 and 14.

28:57 Speaker 1: And he says, quote and this idea that she, meaning the false accuser, has concocted this to somehow gain the favor of her mother is simply unsupported.

29:11 Speaker 1: It is mere conjecture.

29:14 Speaker 1: That's right, mr simmons.

29:15 Speaker 1: No daughter has ever, in the purpose of crime, wanted to please somebody else, correct?

29:21 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just, that's just conjecture never, happened now birthday's different but this is just made up you know it's just conjecture, conjecture never mind

29:31 Speaker 1: just for the record, I did instruct that particular side of the family that they were terrible parents, and they were terrible parents.

29:39 Speaker 1: They weren't giving her the attention and the love that was in jesus christ.

29:43 Speaker 1: They were complete failures and at one point I did say she would be better off with her real biological father than with them because they were so stubborn and would not repent.

29:53 Speaker 1: But of course we couldn't bring any of that up and we couldn't show how dysfunctional is and how the mother didn't get along with anybody.

30:01 Speaker 1: In fact she gets in fight with everybody.

30:03 Speaker 1: Go look at all the records, Mr Simmons, it's there.

30:06 Speaker 1: So what did she do?

30:08 Speaker 1: What was it that she went?

30:09 Speaker 1: I know I'm repeating it and I want to quote Simmons first and set it up again.

30:13 Speaker 1: And this idea Mr Simmons says that she concocted this is somehow to gain the favor of her mother is simply unsupported.

30:22 Speaker 1: You know, for a guy that does psychobabble, he sure is naive about psychology.

30:27 Speaker 1: Correct, it is mere conjecture, All right.

30:31 Speaker 1: So, Jacob, what did she go?

30:33 Speaker 4: do In Mark 6, verse 24,.

30:35 Speaker 4: She went out and asked, or no?

The Deep Joy of Giving

30:39 Speaker 4: She went out and said to her mother what shall I ask for?

30:43 Speaker 1: Oh, man, look at how they're one and hard in this whole thing.

30:44 Speaker 1: You know, bang just going, hey, what shall I ask for?

30:45 Speaker 1: Oh man, look at how they're one and hard in this whole thing.

30:46 Speaker 1: You know, bang just going.

30:47 Speaker 1: Hey, what should I ask for?

30:49 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to believe.

30:50 Speaker 1: The daughter didn't quite know, but that's a whole sermon territory.

30:54 Speaker 1: What shall I ask for?

30:56 Speaker 1: And this is all immediate, this is fast.

30:58 Speaker 1: You're nursing a grudge.

30:59 Speaker 1: You've got bitterness Sounds like the home life that I rebuked, mr Simmons, and why we wound up in this position, mr Simmons, and why you fell for their lies and their traps.

31:10 Speaker 1: What shall I ask for Immediately?

31:13 Speaker 1: The mother says the head of John the Baptist.

31:16 Speaker 1: She answered.

31:17 Speaker 1: And then look at what the girl is she wants to please her mother, right, yes, isn't that clear?

31:22 Speaker 1: But this is unprecedented, this is conjecture, this is never in the history of mankind.

31:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, daughters have never wanted to please their mothers.

31:28 Speaker 1: Correct, never, never, never.

31:30 Speaker 1: And of course the New Testament doesn't mean anything, because the Word of God doesn't mean anything, but it does to us Mark 6, verse 25, at once, it doesn't say and the girl, you know, went out.

31:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, thought about it, she mulled over it, she wanted to, you know.

31:48 Speaker 4: But mom, I really want that new race car and she didn't go, I don't know.

31:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, there's no hesitation.

31:50 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's asking for murder, all right, you know.

31:53 Speaker 1: And chopping the head off, oh, that's bloody and gross you under, well, under sensitive girls, right?

31:58 Speaker 1: If you said I'm gonna go cut off the head of the cat, yeah right, I mean you do it for emphasis yeah, go ahead.

32:04 Speaker 4: what ahead?

32:05 Speaker 4: What were you going to say?

32:05 Speaker 4: Well, I'm jumping ahead in this verse, but see, according to how the scripture reads, she took it one step further because she wants it on a platter.

32:13 Speaker 1: A good point.

32:14 Speaker 1: Good point the mother didn't say that she escalates it.

32:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, technically, the daughter mother like daughter, or like daughter like mother, I don't know how the saying goes.

32:33 Speaker 1: Isn't that a common saying?

32:33 Speaker 1: Super common saying, mr simmons, that's a common saying is not just conjecture.

32:35 Speaker 1: It's an observation about how life works, correct, but you found it credible to be something totally the opposite of what life and society is about.

32:41 Speaker 1: Good point, jacob.

32:43 Speaker 1: At once the girl hurried.

32:44 Speaker 1: We're not picking up on like, okay, mom, I'll go clean my room, you know, or I gotta do push-ups or I gotta clean the kitchen.

32:53 Speaker 1: At once, the girl hurried in.

32:54 Speaker 1: If you, you're delusional to think that all the hatred that was in that home and all the constant line before they ever left, before they ever left, the reason they left was they got tired of being rebuked for not being loving.

33:07 Speaker 1: That's why they left, mr simmons, and so they're.

33:11 Speaker 1: She realizes that's what it means to be a part of the family, correct, correct?

33:16 Speaker 1: And then, of course, you have a divided family situation.

33:19 Speaker 1: Thanking the state of warship at once, the girl hurried into the king with the request I want you to give me right now.

33:26 Speaker 1: You know she'd make a good lawyer.

33:28 Speaker 1: There's nothing vague about this.

33:30 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I might have Miranda'd in and go yeah, I'd like the head of John the Baptist, you know?

33:37 Speaker 1: Okay, well, about 10 years I'll give it to you.

33:39 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no weasel here.

33:40 Speaker 1: This is a tight contract here.

33:47 Speaker 1: This is a tight contract.

33:48 Speaker 1: At once, the girl hurried into the king with the request I want you to give me right now the head of john the baptist on a platter.

33:53 Speaker 1: A very good point.

33:54 Speaker 1: Of course the king was greatly distressed, but because of his what oaths let's just translate for what is pride and his dinner guests he did not want to refuse her.

34:05 Speaker 1: Think about it If men in authority are willing to commit murder, to chop the head off of somebody that they consider to know to be a prophet and a godly man, for the sake of promotion, for the sake of their position, how much more King County prosecutors are willing to go with a lie in order to roll with it Correct, all right.

34:25 Speaker 1: Are willing to go with a lie in order to roll with it correct, all right.

34:27 Speaker 1: So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring john's head and the men went beheaded john in prison and brought back his head on a platter and he presented it to the girl and she gave it to her mother.

34:38 Speaker 1: Now get the scene of this.

34:40 Speaker 1: This girl is not going, oh now, now I understand, mr Simmons.

34:46 Speaker 1: All women and all girls are innocent.

34:49 Speaker 1: They never elicit anything.

34:51 Speaker 1: When you hear of everybody being arrested, it's always the men, because the girls just never do anything Right, contrary to human nature and the nature of sin.

35:01 Speaker 1: So she brings back the head and eventually everybody mourns.

35:06 Speaker 1: They go out and take the body.

35:07 Speaker 1: Any comments on that in that, jacob?

35:09 Speaker 1: No, let's go to acts, chapter 20, verse 35, and let's end with that, and then I think mr simmons will play your birthday song on the way out.

35:18 Speaker 1: But acts, chapter 20, verse 35.

35:22 Speaker 1: This was sound doctrine, church.

35:24 Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not, this is what it was in everything I did and I include myself in this eye.

35:31 Speaker 1: Right now, this is paul saying this I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak.

35:38 Speaker 1: Sound, sound doctor.

35:39 Speaker 1: Church did a lot of projects, didn't they, jacob?

35:41 Speaker 1: Yes, and they were all hard work, were they not?

35:44 Speaker 1: Yes, there was a lot of deep joy, but there was also, within that joy, it came from the hard work that was involved.

35:52 Speaker 1: Wow, some people would leave because they just didn't like the hard work.

35:56 Speaker 1: Life is full of hard work, how we help other people.

36:00 Speaker 1: I mean, we were downtown Enumclaw.

36:02 Speaker 1: We were serving the community, we were involved in fairs.

36:06 Speaker 1: We were in people's lives.

36:07 Speaker 1: Whether they wanted us involved in their lives is a different story, but we were there.

36:10 Speaker 1: We're not some isolated group in the jungles of South America or even in the countryside of Washington State.

36:17 Speaker 1: We're right downtown, in the middle of everybody, everybody's living right there, associating with people and their neighbors and everybody else.

36:25 Speaker 1: I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words of the Lord.

36:31 Speaker 1: Jesus himself said it is more blessed to give than to receive.

36:38 Speaker 1: You see, king County prosecutors, there's a joy you know nothing about.

36:42 Speaker 1: It is a joy not to have a birthday, an absolute joy.

36:47 Speaker 1: I how can I reword that?

36:51 Speaker 1: Like jacob, a bunch of people came in and said happy birthday and gave me a bunch of gifts for my birthday.

36:57 Speaker 1: What would be my reaction?

37:00 Speaker 1: Where would my joy come from?

37:01 Speaker 1: What would I eventually wind up doing?

37:05 Speaker 1: I'm giving all that stuff away, correct?

37:07 Speaker 1: It is more blood and at first it would be like this is gross well, yeah, I might, out of love, just not say anything I'm not gonna go.

37:14 Speaker 1: Believe me, simmons, I did not gonna jump into a fire and brimstone.

37:17 Speaker 1: Sermon on the evils the cake comes from demons and the candles are the burning fires of hell I don't even know I can pull it off and the sweetness and stuff that'll lure you down the path of fatness.

37:30 Speaker 1: And we all know that it's more blessed to give than to receive.

37:34 Speaker 1: There's a deeper joy than all of your.

37:37 Speaker 1: Give me this gift and give me this prize, and I'm woman of the year and I'm man of the year and I'm prosecutor of the moment.

37:42 Speaker 1: And it comes with humility, though.

37:45 Speaker 1: It comes with brokenness, it comes with a sense of sin, it comes with a sense of forgiveness, all the good qualities of both suffering and joy.

37:55 Speaker 1: In Jesus Christ.

37:56 Speaker 1: It comes together and this is why, in Acts 20, verse 36, when he said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed said this he knelt down with all of them and prayed.

38:09 Speaker 1: All of these hard works, all of these things that we have talked about, came about out of humility, of bent knees and praying.

38:15 Speaker 1: The other complete lie is that everything came back to me.

38:18 Speaker 1: Everything went to Jesus Christ.

38:20 Speaker 1: It is you who celebrate birthdays.

38:24 Speaker 1: It is you who thinks that because somebody doesn't celebrate a selfish birthday, that somehow they're mindless, they're gray, they're retarded, they're just in this void and they don't really know what's going on.

38:37 Speaker 1: They can even be abused and it doesn't even check a box because they're so mindless.

38:42 Speaker 1: All because why they're homeschooled rocks, because they're so minus.

38:48 Speaker 1: All because why they're homeschooled and they don't celebrate birthdays.

38:50 Speaker 1: So let's play your hymn, mr Simmons, here you go.

38:53 Speaker 8: Hello, hello.

38:54 Speaker 8: I wrote this little song right here for that special someone.

38:59 Speaker 8: Yep, you already guessed it Me.

39:04 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

39:06 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

39:07 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

39:09 Speaker 8: It's all about me.

39:10 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

39:11 Speaker 8: It's about me, about me, about me.

39:15 Speaker 8: Yo, let me dedicate this song to my number one fan.

39:18 Speaker 8: Simmons is the name and that's who I am.

39:21 Speaker 8: Yo, it's Simmons Day and I'm the king of the scene.

39:24 Speaker 8: The spotlight's on me, man, I'm living the dream.

39:27 Speaker 8: No need to light candles, I already shine bright.

39:30 Speaker 8: The party don't stop Till I'm feeling just right.

39:33 Speaker 8: I'm the gift, I'm the cake, I'm the whole damn vibe.

39:35 Speaker 8: The world spins for me Cause I'm the chief of the tribe.

39:38 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

39:40 Speaker 8: I'm the star of the show.

39:41 Speaker 8: Blow my own horn and let my ego grow.

39:44 Speaker 8: So here's to myself.

39:46 Speaker 8: The legend, the myth.

39:47 Speaker 8: If you're not clappin' now, better plead the fifth.

39:50 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

39:51 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

39:52 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

39:54 Speaker 8: It's all about me.

39:56 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

39:57 Speaker 8: It's about me, about me, about me.

40:00 Speaker 8: Yo, it's Simmons the GOAT dude.

40:03 Speaker 8: It's written in stone.

40:04 Speaker 8: The self-love anthem.

40:06 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I wrote it alone.

40:07 Speaker 8: Got the swag, I got the style.

40:08 Speaker 8: I mean, I'm from the top tier.

40:10 Speaker 8: Every time I take a step, they be like damn, he's here.

40:13 Speaker 8: No balloons to blow up.

40:14 Speaker 8: I already inflate With all this self-love.

40:17 Speaker 8: I'm feeling just great.

40:18 Speaker 8: Mirror, mirror, tell me who's fine.

40:21 Speaker 8: If confidence is a crime, lock me up.

40:23 Speaker 8: I'm doing time.

40:24 Speaker 8: And who needs a crown?

40:26 Speaker 8: I'm my own parade.

40:27 Speaker 8: Every move I make is like history getting made.

40:30 Speaker 8: So clap for Simmons.

40:31 Speaker 8: Yeah, bow to the king.

40:33 Speaker 8: I'm the star, I'm the DJ, I'm the next big thing.

40:36 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

40:37 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

40:38 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

40:40 Speaker 8: It's all about me.

40:41 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

40:43 Speaker 8: It's about me, about me, all about me.

40:44 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

40:45 Speaker 8: It's about me, about me, about me.

40:47 Speaker 8: Yo, simmons, you're the MVP.

40:49 Speaker 8: The world's a stage and it's all for me.

40:52 Speaker 8: I'm taking selfies in the mirror, getting hyped in my head.

40:56 Speaker 8: I'll autograph your body while the cake is spread.

40:58 Speaker 8: So follow me on socials, give me all your likes.

41:01 Speaker 8: I'd like to get to know you, but that wouldn't fit my vibe.

41:04 Speaker 8: It's my party and I can do what I wanna.

41:07 Speaker 8: Original, prima donna.

41:08 Speaker 8: I'm a showstopper.

41:10 Speaker 8: So here's to me.

41:11 Speaker 8: Simmons, I'll gloat.

41:13 Speaker 8: You came for the party, but you stayed for the quote.

41:15 Speaker 8: Self-centered maybe, but I call it self-care.

41:18 Speaker 8: Simmons, forever, forever debonair.

41:21 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

41:23 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

41:24 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

41:25 Speaker 8: It's all aboutair.

41:25 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

41:25 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

41:26 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to Simmons.

41:26 Speaker 8: It's all about me.

41:27 Speaker 8: Happy birthday to me.

41:28 Speaker 8: It's about me, about me, about me.

41:32 Speaker 8: Go, go, go, go, go, simmons, it's my birthday.

41:38 Speaker 8: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

41:41 Speaker 8: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

41:44 Speaker 8: I'm gonna sip a card.

41:45 Speaker 8: And, like it's my birthday, I'm gonna sip a cardi like it's my birthday.

41:48 Speaker 8: Go, simmons, go, go, go, simmons, go, go, go, simmons, it's my birthday.

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