#74 Prosecutor Simmons Bible Study Time, pt 3

The Sound Doctrine Church

0:04 Timothy: No question today, Jacob.

0:06 Timothy: Let's get to it.

0:07 Timothy: We got a lot of cover.

0:08 Timothy: Mr Simmons had a lot of questions.

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1:04 Speaker 3: Are you familiar with a group called the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:07 Speaker 3: How is it that you came about to join the Sound Doctrine Church, and where was Sound Doctrine Church located Back then around that time?

1:14 Speaker 3: How many people would you say were members of the church?

1:16 Speaker 3: What was it that drew your family to the church at the beginning?

1:20 Speaker 3: Did your joining the Sound Doctrine Church have any impact on your connection with your family other than Jessica and the daughters we currently talk about?

1:30 Speaker 3: And is wine press publishing associated in any way with the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:34 Speaker 3: And would those friends from homeschooling group be members of Sound Doctrine Church?

1:38 Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the Salt Shaker bookstore?

1:40 Speaker 3: To begin, what is a rebuke For those of us who don't understand?

1:44 Speaker 3: what is a rebuke, and what's that mean in the context of the church?

1:48 Speaker 3: And when you say fellowship, what does that mean?

1:50 Speaker 3: While you were a member of the Sound Doctrine Church and a member of that community, was it important for you to follow the various teachings and doctrines of the church?

2:01 Speaker 4: What was your?

2:01 Speaker 3: understanding of that doctrine.

2:04 Speaker 3: While a member of the Sound Doctrine Church, did your beliefs come from your understanding of the doctrine of the church?

2:12 Speaker 3: Did you have any neighborhood friends that were not members of Sound Doctrine Church?

2:16 Speaker 3: Are they just kids and even brothers?

2:17 Speaker 3: And at that time, what was the kind of the leadership?

2:20 Speaker 3: How was it?

2:21 Speaker 3: Who was in charge?

2:22 Speaker 3: How did it to work?

2:23 Speaker 3: And you say your salvation, was that an important thing for you during your time, sound doctor?

2:28 Speaker 3: Do you in the sound doctor church really celebrate birthdays?

2:31 Speaker 3: How about?

2:32 Speaker 3: Was there any particular holiday celebration for christmas, anything of that nature?

2:36 Speaker 3: Why was it you left sound doctor?

2:39 Timothy: jacob was um your salvation important to you while you were at sound doctor and church.

2:45 Speaker 5: I think it's important all the time, but yeah.

2:48 Timothy: Some of these questions are just ludicrous.

2:50 Timothy: It's just designed to make people hate the church.

2:53 Timothy: Okay, I'm assuming from that question that there's a lot of churches you can go to where your salvation's not important?

2:59 Timothy: No, that's Well.

3:01 Timothy: Yeah, you just show up, you ask Jesus in your heart and you're saved.

3:05 Speaker 5: But everybody's going to say you're, why would he ask the question?

3:08 Speaker 5: Because he was trying to establish that it was this fear-mongering thing.

3:13 Timothy: Yeah, but he didn't say that, he just said it was important.

3:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's what he's getting at.

3:17 Speaker 5: I mean, every one of his questions is to say the sound doctrine church was evil and twisted.

3:30 Timothy: That's what you know his stuff is coming back to again.

3:31 Timothy: If logic had anything to do with this, this trial would have never happened.

3:33 Timothy: Well, exactly, malcolm fraser would not be in prison.

3:34 Jacob: Um, but logic reason evidence clearly had nothing to do with it.

3:36 Timothy: But again I'm kind of like was salvation important?

3:38 Timothy: Uh no, it was just kind of media.

3:40 Timothy: Well, you know what?

3:40 Timothy: Clearly, if they were going to answer they'd have to say no, because they fell away.

3:44 Timothy: They decided they didn't want it Correct.

3:46 Timothy: So clearly it wasn't important enough.

3:48 Timothy: All right, this question.

3:49 Timothy: If Simmons thinks any of these questions I've never heard these before he's delusional.

3:55 Timothy: If he thinks all of this stuff was just kind of floating out there and I'd never been confronted, all right.

3:59 Timothy: So here's this question how many people would you say were members of the church?

4:07 Timothy: And the whole implication.

4:08 Timothy: I've heard this forever.

4:08 Timothy: The implication is well, you only have a few members and this church over here has a bunch of members.

4:14 Timothy: And if there's a bunch of members, they must be right and you must be wrong.

4:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, you must be, yeah, correct.

4:18 Speaker 5: That's where it's coming from, oh but, by the way, there's cults that are huge.

4:22 Speaker 5: There's cults that are huge.

4:25 Speaker 5: There's cults like you know.

4:26 Speaker 5: There's like real, uh, you know, extreme mormon cult, like stuff.

4:27 Timothy: They got thousands and thousands of members well, in my mind, king county prosecutors are in a cult they serve a higher authority.

4:34 Timothy: They have to follow all these rules.

4:36 Timothy: They get punished.

4:37 Timothy: If they don't follow them, then they get rewarded.

4:39 Timothy: If they do follow them, they're really the ones in a cult.

4:42 Timothy: Not this, but but you got to.

4:45 Timothy: You know, it's laughable to think there's this number game.

4:48 Timothy: By the way, mr Simmons, go to John, chapter 3, verse 24, because this question goes all the way back to Jesus and John the Baptist and the church.

4:58 Timothy: This kind of numbers game of who's right or wrong based on the number of people that believe.

5:05 Timothy: In fact, when they bring Jesus in, they go have any of the Pharisees or any of the religious leaders or any of the Bible scholars.

5:11 Timothy: You know, one of the things that actually proves St Dr was right is none of the Bible scholars agree with what we were saying, because that's exactly what happened to Jesus Christ.

5:18 Timothy: I'm not going to dwell too long on this.

5:20 Timothy: I just want to make a very, very quick point, if I can.

5:22 Timothy: In John 3, verse 24, now this is John the Baptist they're talking about it says this was before John was put in prison.

5:29 Timothy: And, by the way, this will be a good example, mr Simmons, when we get to the what is a rebuke.

5:36 Timothy: This was before John was put in prison John 3, 25, an argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing.

5:48 Timothy: So it's a doctrinal question.

5:50 Timothy: It's a debate about Bible stuff.

5:52 Timothy: Are you following this so far, mr Simmons?

5:54 Timothy: You see, this is what the issue over here is ceremonial washing about something this, that or the other.

5:59 Timothy: And if you want to get into what that debate was, well, then you can go talk to a lot of other people.

6:03 Timothy: When they come to John, they don't go.

6:07 Timothy: Well, we're discussing this issue over here.

6:09 Timothy: Can you settle the issue?

6:10 Timothy: No, what they do is exactly what you did they played the numbers game, jacob.

6:16 Timothy: Go ahead and read John, chapter 3, verse 26.

6:20 Speaker 5: They came to John and said to him Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan, the one you testified about, well, he is baptizing and everyone is going to him.

6:32 Timothy: Okay what's that got to do with the Bible question at hand, jacob, and I really like the part where they don't call Jesus anything.

6:41 Speaker 5: They don't call him a teacher.

6:42 Speaker 5: That man over there, that man, that group, it's not sound doctrine.

6:43 Timothy: They don't call him a teacher.

6:44 Timothy: That man over there, that man, that group, it's not sound, dr Strick, it's that group and that leader.

6:49 Timothy: They depersonalize the individual on the attack.

6:52 Timothy: It all has to do with the numbers game.

6:54 Timothy: They came to John and said to him Rabbi, and see, they're flattering who, john, rabbi, that man who was with you, that man on the other side of the jordan, you know, on the other side of the issue, the one you testified about, the one trying to make him jealous.

7:08 Timothy: See, at this point he's got more numbers than you.

7:10 Timothy: Well, as you can just hear, well, he is baptizing, he's doing this stuff and everyone is going to him, which isn't quite true, right, but everyone is going to him.

7:23 Timothy: Therefore, john, we must be right or wrong, or whatever they're trying to do.

7:27 Timothy: Right, they're playing the game.

7:31 Timothy: It's true, sound Doctrine Church never had a lot of members.

The Concept of Church Rebukes

7:33 Timothy: It would fluctuate up and down.

7:34 Timothy: People come, people visit.

7:36 Timothy: But in John 3, verse 27, john says this and again, we're back to God, we're back to looking to only Him.

7:46 Timothy: And that's what Sound Doctrine Church was about loving the Lord, your God, with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul and strength.

7:49 Timothy: It was Him and only Him, and that's all it was about.

7:52 Timothy: To this John replied a man can receive only what is given him from heaven.

7:57 Timothy: God had determined a certain number of people at a certain time would come to Sound Doctrine Church.

8:03 Timothy: I had no control over that.

8:04 Timothy: I wasn't supposed to go out and try and find 50 extra members for God.

8:07 Timothy: I was supposed to do what God called me to do, and if that involved 5,000 people, fine.

8:12 Timothy: If it involved five people, fine.

8:14 Timothy: And you've succeeded in getting me down to one or two people at this point.

8:17 Timothy: So that's what God has allotted, that's what he's allowed, that's who he's drawn, and I'm fine with that.

8:22 Timothy: I'll preach the whole word.

8:23 Timothy: They've got churches they need to go to.

8:25 Timothy: They've got places they need to begin to go to, and I'm totally content with it.

8:29 Timothy: This is not a numbers game.

8:31 Timothy: This is not like who has the biggest church and what's going on.

8:34 Timothy: But you know what?

8:35 Timothy: Your sinister little hissing of the same oh, how many members did you have at that time?

8:40 Timothy: That time, and where were you located?

8:47 Timothy: And all that kind of evil suspicion that again had nothing to do with anything going on.

8:50 Timothy: Anything you want to add to that, jacob?

8:51 Timothy: No, all right, let's go.

8:53 Timothy: And I think this is probably one of his, mr simmons, favorite.

8:56 Timothy: Correct me if I'm wrong.

8:57 Timothy: Feel free to say no, that's not one of my favorite questions.

8:59 Timothy: But you asked to begin what is a rebuke?

9:03 Timothy: For those of us who don't understand what is a rebuke and what does that mean in the context of the church man, that is a loaded question.

9:13 Timothy: That's a mouthful yes, it is indeed.

9:15 Timothy: Well, after probably 10 years of you destroying the church, me doing the podcast, you really kind of should have a little bit of a good idea on what a rebuke might be.

9:26 Timothy: But let me explain to you.

9:27 Timothy: Here's a definition of a rebuke.

9:29 Timothy: It's up to you.

9:31 Timothy: To a person with a soft, teachable heart, nothing's a rebuke.

9:38 Timothy: To somebody that's hard-hearted and somebody thinks they're self-righteously right, somebody who can go into an environment and there's a judge that controls the conversation and a jury that can approve and they can be manipulated and you don't really have to reason things out and everything's kind of put in its place and you can object to the way a question is framed or where it's coming from, any type of correction.

10:02 Timothy: The slightest correction to a spoiled child is what a rebuke?

10:06 Timothy: Right, jacob?

10:08 Timothy: Correct?

10:09 Timothy: Let's just take children here for a second.

10:11 Timothy: You've got a child that cleans its room generally, is very good, is very obedient.

10:16 Timothy: Then you've got the typical public school child that's spoiled, rotten, part of the Washington state corrupt system being lured away from their parents.

10:24 Timothy: They don't do anything, they're not allowed to do anything, they can't even do push-ups.

10:27 Timothy: So you go to them and you go to both children One is kind and submissive, the other is rebellious and stubborn and selfish.

10:35 Timothy: And you say to each one in the same way, the same tone go clean your room.

10:40 Timothy: What are the reactions you're going to get To the one child that is kind and nice, going to go, yeah, go clean the room.

10:48 Timothy: And they could actually become a fun thing to go do.

10:51 Timothy: Because why?

10:52 Timothy: They're not a rebellious kind of child, they're not spoiled.

10:55 Timothy: But to a spoiled child you don't do that, you don't love me, you're being mean.

11:01 Timothy: Start crying, start weeping, throwing a fit, correct, correct.

11:02 Timothy: So, mr Simmons, it has to do with your heart.

11:05 Timothy: On what a rebuke is.

11:07 Timothy: That's the first thing.

11:08 Timothy: Now there's a whole gamma and level of different kinds of rebukes, styles of rebukes, how they come in.

11:14 Timothy: There's counseling, there's corrections, there's laws, there's admonishments.

11:18 Timothy: There's a lot of like general type stuff.

11:20 Timothy: But you honed in on rebuke and in your mind I'm assuming in your mind I walked around rebuking oh, you're rebuked, go do this and you're rebuked.

11:29 Timothy: Go wash my car and you're rebuked and go do this work and this labor over here.

11:33 Timothy: I'm assuming that's what it is.

11:34 Timothy: If there was any rebuking going on, you need to get this square between your eyes.

11:40 Timothy: It had to do with righteousness, loving your family, being obedient, doing what's right, telling the truth, walking in the light.

11:53 Timothy: I'm getting ahead of myself, but what applies to King County Courts is Amos, chapter 5, verse 10.

11:56 Timothy: Jacob, go to Amos, chapter 5, verse 10.

11:57 Timothy: Because I remember, right after your little victory that you had and getting the guilty plea, I called what was his name again the tennis shoe guy rich anderson yeah, rich anderson.

12:10 Timothy: I called him on the phone because you guys weren't going to look into the hate crime and I was just trying one last time, like we look, no, we're not going to do that.

12:17 Timothy: So I call him and he's answered the phone.

12:19 Timothy: He's all puffed up.

12:20 Timothy: We won, we're there.

12:21 Timothy: So he picks up the phone and all his arrogant confidence.

12:24 Timothy: And I asked him a simple question what is humility?

12:26 Timothy: And he said well, humility is when you went above my head to Sattisburg and asked him to look into the situation.

12:34 Timothy: That's humility.

12:35 Timothy: Well, that told me everything.

12:36 Timothy: His pride was wounded.

12:38 Timothy: No wonder he was vicious.

12:39 Timothy: No wonder he went after me.

12:41 Timothy: No wonder you guys were all fired up.

12:43 Timothy: You didn't like your little authority.

12:45 Timothy: You didn't like people calling into question and going above you and implying that somehow you would do something wrong.

12:49 Timothy: You were the spoiled child.

12:51 Timothy: That's Amos, chapter 5, verse 10.

12:53 Timothy: And that's Old Testament, amos, chapter 5, verse 10.

12:56 Timothy: You hate the one who reproves in court and you despise him who tells the truth.

13:02 Timothy: Remember the little social worker you were asking questions, who was a part of the church and she wasn't testifying according to all the other social workers would have done.

13:11 Timothy: And so your little attitude was like well, thank you very much, and we could pick up on the tone.

13:16 Timothy: And, by the way, the department she was working began to retaliate against her after that trial because she didn't conform to the way that you wanted her to answer.

13:26 Timothy: Amos 5.10,.

13:27 Timothy: You hate the one who reproves in court and you despise him who tells the truth.

13:33 Timothy: That certainly was the case.

13:34 Timothy: Through all of this, we sent over a book amount of truth.

13:37 Timothy: We sent over, at our own expense, all kinds of research proof of everything.

13:42 Timothy: We're still doing it and you just hate us because why we reprove?

13:45 Timothy: We reveal the fact that you call jury duty a dog and pony show and instead of reforming your ways now you just change it.

13:52 Timothy: So well, the judge may want to talk to you separately.

13:54 Timothy: You're not going to allow anybody to disparage in any way that there might be a question about what's going on in the corruption of King County courts might be a question about what's going on in the corruption of King County courts.

14:06 Timothy: Verse 11 of Amos 5,.

14:10 Timothy: You trample on the poor and that's what you do.

14:11 Timothy: You bring anybody into that courtroom.

14:12 Timothy: The first thing you try to do is to make them full of poverty.

14:14 Timothy: Your goal was to destroy Wine Press Publishing, sound Doctrine Church, the Salt Shaker Bookstore, to deprive everybody of their money and their means to defend themselves.

14:23 Timothy: You trample on the poor.

14:25 Timothy: You do worse.

14:25 Timothy: You make them poor and you force them to give grain.

14:29 Timothy: We got to pay for our own lawyer.

14:30 Timothy: We got to pay babysitters to keep you in line.

14:34 Timothy: That's what mostly the lawyers are paid to do is to watch you.

14:36 Timothy: So you don't get so far out of hand.

14:38 Timothy: And of course, the rules and laws and Judge Lori K Smith will let you do anything, so it's a futile attempt.

14:43 Timothy: So you're broke, you're poor, you ran out of town by the time you're done.

14:45 Timothy: You win even when you lose Amos 5, 12, for I know how many are your offenses and how great your sins.

14:56 Timothy: You oppress the righteous and take bribes and you deprive the poor of justice in courts.

15:04 Timothy: That's you.

15:06 Timothy: Judge Lori K Smith, because she's woman of the year, ensured that the person that was lying about all the activities that went on was able to say whatever she wanted.

15:17 Timothy: In fact, didn't the judge order you to allow the defense to question the accuser for 30 minutes?

15:24 Timothy: Okay, whoa, send off the fireworks 30 minutes, okay.

15:27 Timothy: So we got three minutes, but did you comply?

15:29 Timothy: No, you didn't comply, you just ignored it.

15:32 Timothy: Your excuse was we couldn't find an adult to bring her to the meeting.

15:36 Timothy: You know, I do agree with you, there are no adults up there at King County.

15:40 Timothy: But you didn't even comply with the judge's order there.

15:50 Timothy: You oppressed the righteous.

15:51 Timothy: That's all that you and Judge Lori K Smith and the system did.

15:52 Timothy: And Beth Andrews whitewashed Detective McCall and set into motion all of this destruction.

15:54 Timothy: You oppressed the righteous.

15:55 Timothy: You take bribes.

15:56 Timothy: You just want to be patted on the back.

15:58 Timothy: You sold your soul at a pizza party where Sattisburg talked you into becoming a prosecutor rather than a defense attorney.

16:07 Timothy: You oppress the righteous.

16:08 Timothy: You take bribes.

16:09 Timothy: You deprive the poor of justice in the courts.

16:12 Timothy: Well, that's a rebuke.

16:17 Timothy: You can do with what you want.

16:18 Timothy: Let's keep digging a little bit more.

16:21 Timothy: Now here's what goes on In King County Courts.

16:23 Timothy: I doubt that I've made very many friends, right, jacob?

16:26 Timothy: Correct, I don't think there's certainly no judges called me and said thank you, man.

16:32 Timothy: We really needed that.

16:32 Timothy: We need to clean up our act and we've gone too far.

16:36 Timothy: There's certainly been a no call for fasting and to loosen the bonds of injustice, right?

16:40 Timothy: No, they just go more and more into their darkness and corruption.

16:50 Timothy: What they're doing is exactly what happened to John the Baptist.

16:52 Timothy: Go to Mark, chapter 6, verse 17.

16:53 Timothy: And John the Baptist, again, was not that read.

16:54 Timothy: He spoke very clearly and bluntly and it was a matter of the law.

16:57 Timothy: Herod was an official, says, for Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested Sound familiar, mr Simmons and he had him bound and put in prison.

17:07 Timothy: He did this because Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married.

17:12 Timothy: So John the Baptist is rebuking him because he's breaking God's law and taking another man's wife.

17:18 Timothy: You know shacking up that kind of thing.

17:20 Timothy: Mark, chapter 6, verse 18, for John had been saying to Herod it is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.

17:28 Timothy: I mean, it's just basic common sense.

17:30 Timothy: I'm not trying to minimize what he's saying.

17:31 Timothy: My point is everything that we've talked about with King County Courts and the justice system.

17:36 Timothy: It's just basic stuff, basic rights denied.

17:39 Timothy: This is not complicated.

17:42 Timothy: They make it complicated so they can get by with it, all right.

17:45 Timothy: Well, here's the response of Herodias, mark 6, verse 19.

17:51 Timothy: So Herodias nursed a grudge against John.

17:54 Timothy: All that's happening is everybody's nursing a grudge, you know, like a baby at the tit.

18:00 Timothy: They just keep going back to it and they just keep sucking on it every 15, 20, 30 minutes and they keep oh man, he didn't say this.

18:08 Timothy: And blah, blah, blah.

18:09 Timothy: So that's all that's happening.

18:11 Timothy: Nothing's changing.

18:12 Timothy: Nobody's being more righteous, it's all just becoming more dark.

18:16 Timothy: All right.

18:17 Timothy: So that's a rebuke.

18:19 Timothy: That's one style of rebuke.

18:21 Timothy: There are all levels of rebuke.

18:23 Timothy: That's one style of rebuke.

18:23 Timothy: There are all levels of rebuke.

18:24 Timothy: Rebukes can be soft and short.

18:26 Timothy: They can be strong and sharp.

18:28 Timothy: The whole goal, though and this is what you don't seem to understand is it has to do with righteousness, loving each other, avoiding sin, doing what's right, being lawful.

18:39 Timothy: That's what all this is about.

18:41 Timothy: That's what those rebukes are about, and this is just one aspect of sound doctrine.

18:45 Timothy: Church there was much more laying down your life, counseling, admonishing, praying for one another.

18:51 Timothy: You just happened to hone in because you know it's a rebuke.

18:55 Timothy: And here's another angle that he's forgetting when somebody becomes stubborn, in other words, the people you put on the trial.

19:03 Timothy: The reason they came to St John Church is because their family life was a mess Divorced, remarried we kind of covered that involved in all kinds of.

19:11 Timothy: They hated one another.

19:13 Timothy: When you ask the question like what?

19:16 Timothy: Do you have any neighbors that you know that were friends within the church.

19:20 Timothy: Well, there's a whole doctrinal issue I could go into.

19:27 Timothy: But here's the case.

19:28 Timothy: The woman that you're asking that to on the stand fought everybody.

19:29 Timothy: She got in an argument with her neighbor and she eventually had to write out a note and go put it in their mailbox and apologize in a letter.

19:34 Timothy: She's constantly fighting with everybody.

19:37 Timothy: So if she was being truthful, what she was being rebuked for was not loving other people, not being gentle, not being kind, right, jacob, Correct, and eventually she got tired of being rebuked for being called to love one another, to love her husband, to love her children, to do what's right to be gentle.

19:59 Timothy: She fought at every level, on every level possible.

20:03 Timothy: Right to be gentle, she fought at every level, on every level possible.

20:07 Timothy: One of the reasons why such and such didn't spend time at home on the weekends is because it was a miserable situation and they would not repent.

20:15 Timothy: But you know, hey, judge Laurie K Smith's not going to let that come out in court, is she?

20:19 Timothy: No, no, of course not.

20:21 Timothy: Let me give you an example of humility here now.

20:25 Timothy: I don't know again, I don't know how much you know your bible, clearly not enough.

20:29 Timothy: King david is considered one of the holiest examples in scripture.

20:36 Timothy: Everybody talks about wanting a heart like king david, and he's a good man.

20:41 Timothy: He was a.

20:41 Timothy: He was after God's own heart, made a lot of mistakes, did a lot of problems, he walked with humility.

20:48 Timothy: And I'm going to play this next clip, which is this scripture this is one of my.

20:54 Timothy: I have too many favorites, don't I Jacob?

20:56 Timothy: All right, and let me set the situation just a little bit.

Lessons in Humility and Discipline

21:00 Timothy: King David has been disciplined by God, and when he's being disciplined by God, he's on the run.

21:06 Timothy: He'd fallen into some sin, some very serious sin, and so he's on the run, away from his kingdom, being disciplined.

21:15 Timothy: It's not pleasant, that's part of it.

21:16 Timothy: So when you ask somebody on the stand so did you leave Sound Doctor at some time?

21:22 Timothy: Yeah, people go through struggles, mr Simmons.

21:24 Timothy: And when you talk about God disciplining them and trying to deal with them, and they go through struggles, they work through it.

21:31 Timothy: Clearly, didn't they?

21:31 Timothy: They were on the stand when you asked the question.

21:34 Timothy: The crucified life following Jesus Christ is serious suffering business.

21:41 Timothy: God didn't make hell because our sins are minor.

21:45 Timothy: Anyway, david's on the run and out comes this old man throwing stones and pebbles at him walking along.

21:52 Timothy: And well, I'll just let you enjoy the scripture.

21:55 Timothy: Go ahead and play it, jacob.

21:59 Speaker 6: As King David approached Bahurim, a man from the same clan as Saul's family came out from there.

22:06 Speaker 6: His name was Shimei, son of Gerah, and he cursed as he came out.

22:12 Speaker 6: He pelted David and all the king's officials with stones, though all the troops and the special guard were on David's right and left as he cursed.

22:28 Speaker 6: Shimei said Get out.

22:30 Speaker 6: Get out, you men of blood.

22:34 Speaker 6: You scoundrel.

22:35 Speaker 6: The Lord has repaid you for all the blood you shed in the household of Saul and whose place you have reigned.

22:43 Speaker 6: The Lord has handed the kingdom over to your son, absalom.

22:47 Speaker 6: You've come to ruin because you're a man of blood.

22:52 Speaker 6: Then Abishai, son of Zeariah, said to the king why should this dead dog curse my lord, the king?

23:00 Speaker 6: Let me go over and cut off his head.

23:03 Speaker 6: But the king said what do you and I have in common?

23:07 Speaker 6: Your son is Zeruiah.

23:09 Speaker 6: If he is cursing because the Lord said to him Curse David.

23:14 Speaker 6: Who can ask why do you do this?

23:17 Speaker 6: Then David said to Abisai and all his officials my son, who is of my own flesh, is trying to take my life.

23:27 Speaker 6: How much more than this, benjamite?

23:31 Speaker 6: Leave him alone, let him curse, for the Lord has told him to.

23:36 Speaker 6: It may be that the Lord will see my distress and repay me with good for the cursing I'm receiving today.

23:43 Speaker 6: 2 Samuel, 16, 5 through 12.

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24:03 Timothy: Now that is a lesson in humility.

24:05 Timothy: King david, and all that power, all that authority being disciplined by god, everything about him would want to justify himself.

24:12 Timothy: Come back and this old man is coming out throwing pebbles and stones, saying the vilest of things, and other people saying, oh, let me defend you.

24:21 Timothy: This would be as if king, king David, were a prosecutor in court and you've got this old man in court, calling him everything you're a liar, you're a conniver, and the whole bit, and the prosecutor and the judge wants to shut him down.

24:32 Timothy: The bailiff wants to put handcuffs on him, putting him in prison, and the prosecutor turns and says, no, no, he's right, the Lord has sent him.

24:38 Timothy: Maybe God will see it and have mercy on me Now.

24:41 Timothy: You ever seen that kind of humility in a court of law?

24:43 Timothy: No, not even close, let alone.

24:45 Timothy: You very seldom see it in life today.

24:47 Timothy: But that's a lesson of humility.

24:49 Timothy: When an old man's throwing rocks at you and you glorify God, what can you say but amen?

24:54 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 31,.

24:57 Timothy: Mr Simmons, this is the nature of a rebuke and it has to do with what you will do or not do Proverbs 15, 31.

25:07 Timothy: He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home, among the wise.

25:13 Timothy: You see, a life-giving rebuke.

25:15 Timothy: Simmons, you've never, ever, one time in your life given a life-giving rebuke.

25:21 Timothy: There's not a single prosecutor in the land that has accused somebody.

25:26 Timothy: That's a defendant with a life.

25:28 Timothy: You've rebuked, you've hissed, you've made them look bad, you promoted all kinds of lies, but you've never, ever given a life-giving rebuke, a rebuke with meaning and love and power.

25:41 Timothy: And if you obeyed and submitted to it and you humbled and you wept over it and you gave it, you'd have rich life in Jesus Christ.

25:48 Timothy: But see, you have to listen.

25:50 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 31,.

25:51 Timothy: He who listens to a life-giving rebuke, you won't listen.

25:55 Timothy: I watch you, prosecutors, I watch you.

25:57 Timothy: You'll come by, you'll look at a message on the board, but you won't read it.

26:00 Timothy: You'll look at the title.

26:01 Timothy: That way you're not accountable.

26:02 Timothy: You don't have to look at these things, you don't have to examine.

26:04 Timothy: There's no depth to you.

26:06 Timothy: You people are just dogs that will tear anything to pieces if you can win it.

26:12 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 32,.

26:14 Timothy: He who ignores discipline despises himself.

26:17 Timothy: All you do is despise yourself.

26:18 Timothy: But whoever heeds correction gains understanding.

26:23 Timothy: Now, technically, a correction is not a rebuke.

26:26 Timothy: Again, it depends on the heart, jacob, don't you and I correct each other all the time.

26:29 Timothy: Yeah, and you'll come and do I strike back?

26:33 Timothy: Am I some type of snake?

26:34 Timothy: Because you know, hey, I'm in the lord.

26:37 Timothy: I've been here longer than you.

26:38 Timothy: What are you doing?

26:38 Timothy: You're wrong, or get huffy or mad, or spend the day pouting.

26:41 Timothy: No, no, of course not.

26:42 Timothy: I want the correction.

26:44 Timothy: Excuse me, I need them, we all do.

26:47 Timothy: He who ignores discipline and again see we're back to a disciplined life, it's a little sharp, it's a little touch.

26:54 Timothy: It's not a rebuke Discipline.

26:56 Timothy: I understand where she stayed and says you can't discipline anybody anymore.

27:01 Timothy: So nobody knows what this means.

27:02 Timothy: But discipline has a little bit of an edge to it, but it's not a full rebuke.

27:08 Timothy: He who ignores discipline despises himself.

27:11 Timothy: I learned the hard way.

27:13 Timothy: I had to be humbled.

27:14 Timothy: It took time.

27:15 Timothy: My pride had to fall, it had to go.

27:18 Timothy: When I started heeding them, I gained understanding in life.

27:21 Timothy: You got to also be afraid, proverbs 15, 33.

27:24 Timothy: The fear of the Lord teaches a man wisdom.

27:27 Timothy: You have to be afraid.

27:28 Timothy: You had absolutely no fear about what you're doing.

27:33 Timothy: Bob Ferguson, attorney general, who likes to attack grandmothers, absolutely had no fear about attacking a grandmother, an older grandmother.

27:43 Timothy: I mean, what a fool.

27:45 Timothy: You know you prosecutors and authorities, you really need to back up and go.

27:50 Timothy: You know there's just certain things.

27:51 Timothy: They may be breaking the law, they may be wrong, but they're old people or we just don't need to touch it.

27:57 Timothy: It's just not a bad enough example to go there.

27:59 Timothy: But no, you'll grab anything.

28:02 Timothy: Because why?

28:02 Timothy: There is no fear of the Lord.

28:04 Timothy: The fear of the Lord teaches the man wisdom.

28:06 Timothy: There's no wisdom about going or not going toward a grandmother.

28:10 Timothy: There's no wisdom about hey, maybe we're bringing in all these liars because that's what we want to hear.

28:16 Timothy: And humility comes before honor.

28:20 Timothy: I understand by law that when Judge Lori K Smith comes in we have to say the honorable Judge Lori K Smith.

28:26 Timothy: But that's by law, that's by force.

28:29 Timothy: That's what your cult's about.

28:30 Timothy: You see my cult, quote unquote the church there.

28:34 Timothy: There nobody was forced to call me anything.

28:36 Timothy: I wasn't known as Mr Pastor or Mr So-and-so.

28:39 Timothy: In fact there's a whole book that was not sent to you, called Insanity in the Church, and surely by now you've read it because you want to know the truth, that kind of knowledge.

28:47 Timothy: But I'm not Pastor So-and-so, mr Spiritual So-and-so.

28:51 Timothy: I wasn't even addressed that way.

28:52 Timothy: I was a fellow servant with everybody else.

28:56 Timothy: Isn't that correct, jacob?

28:59 Timothy: Correct, all right.

29:00 Timothy: Proverbs 1.23,.

29:03 Timothy: If you had responded to my rebuke, think how much pain and suffering Washington state and everybody else can spare themselves we're not even at the judgment seat yet If you had responded to my rebuke a spoiled child doesn't respond.

29:17 Timothy: Well, okay, they respond.

29:19 Timothy: I'm going to play the legal thing.

29:21 Timothy: They respond.

29:22 Timothy: They get angry, they throw a fit, they wet their pants, they kick the floor.

29:25 Timothy: They go tell everybody my mommy's mean, my mommy abuses me, right, it goes all the way down the line.

29:30 Timothy: That's not the kind of response we're talking about.

29:32 Timothy: We're talking about a response that's humble, that's teachable.

29:34 Timothy: That, yeah, you're right, I need to clean my room, or I wasn't feeling good, or whatever.

The Consequences of Ignoring Rebukes

29:37 Timothy: If you had responded to my rebuke now look at the promise here, proverbs 1.23,.

29:43 Timothy: Here's the promise I would have poured out my heart to you and made my thoughts known to you.

29:48 Timothy: See, it's all about God.

29:50 Timothy: The reason why these people are so bitter and you brought them in and encouraged them to lie is because they didn't respond to the rebuke.

29:58 Timothy: Had they responded to the rebuke that God gives through his word, the rebuke through sermons, rebuke through fellowship, rebuke on their own, analyzing their own life, bringing themselves under judgment, humbling themselves.

30:10 Timothy: God says he would have poured out his heart and made his thoughts known to you, and we know that God has a heart of love and he's full of wisdom.

30:19 Timothy: And the reason why you didn't see that joy and that's not there?

30:22 Timothy: Because they did not respond to the rebuke, or they responded with lip service or they went just a little bit into it.

30:30 Timothy: But they didn't respond unto picking up their cross, denying themselves and following Jesus Christ, proverbs 1.24,.

30:39 Timothy: But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice, you see, rebukes also have to do with advice, but advice is different looking than a full-fledged rebuke.

30:53 Timothy: So when you ask a question, what does a rebuke look like?

30:55 Timothy: That can't be answered.

30:57 Timothy: Jesus Christ is not a soundbite religion.

31:00 Timothy: There's advice, there's admonishment, there's correction, there's everyday things, there's voicing back and forth, there's praying about things.

31:06 Timothy: It's a lot of effort and a lot of work to go around and pray and seek the Lord and get one another's counsel and go back and forth.

31:14 Timothy: There was not, in any way, shape or form, anybody walking around with a super, super authority that rebuked everybody, telling them to keep in line.

31:23 Timothy: I don't know exactly what you were told.

31:24 Timothy: I can imagine I've kind of heard it forever, but it's a complete lie.

31:28 Timothy: I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke.

31:37 Timothy: I, in turn, will laugh at your disaster.

31:39 Timothy: You're only reaping your own doom.

31:41 Timothy: God is reaching out his hand day and night.

31:45 Timothy: Just this podcast alone has been going on for years.

31:48 Timothy: He's reaching out to you.

31:49 Timothy: He's reaching out to the jury pool, to everybody that was involved, to the bailiffs, to everybody, to the warden, to everybody that's involved all of King County, bob Ferguson, inslee, all these, everybody.

32:02 Timothy: God is holding out his hand to deliver you from your pride and from your sins and for your life.

32:09 Timothy: That is completely a mess.

32:11 Timothy: Or shall we talk about some of the specifics?

32:13 Timothy: I don't think so.

32:15 Timothy: It's not proper at the moment.

32:17 Timothy: I will, in turn, laugh at your disaster.

32:19 Timothy: I will mock.

32:20 Timothy: When calamity overtakes you.

32:21 Timothy: There'll come a point when God would just quit speaking, when it'll stop.

32:25 Timothy: Or, like John the Baptist, you'll cut off somebody's head.

32:28 Timothy: You'll silence them.

32:29 Timothy: They won't be able to say anything.

32:30 Timothy: Proverbs 127,.

32:33 Timothy: When calamity overtakes you like a storm.

32:36 Timothy: It's just going to come sweeping in.

32:37 Timothy: When disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you, it's coming.

32:43 Timothy: That's a promise, and it'll come in such a way you won't be able to control it, you won't be able to respond to it.

32:48 Timothy: It will overwhelm you.

32:50 Timothy: I don't, again, have time to go through all this.

32:52 Timothy: You need to go back and meditate on these things.

32:54 Timothy: Let me put it to you this way Don't take my word for it.

32:57 Timothy: If you think this is a bunch of bunk, go in pray, get on your knees and say God, is this true?

33:01 Timothy: Ask him to send the whirlwind, ask him to send the judgment and see what happens.

33:06 Timothy: Proverbs 128 says at that point, then they will call to me, but I will not answer.

33:12 Timothy: They will look for me but will not find me, since they hated knowledge.

33:20 Timothy: Man, how you people hated the knowledge of what Sound Doctrine Church was about.

33:22 Timothy: You tell Detective McCall, send over everything you have on the church, anything written by anybody else, and you get like nine complaints or nine somethings, rather.

33:33 Timothy: And he deleted evidence.

33:35 Timothy: And he did all the other things Again no books, no tracts, no sermons, no, nothing.

33:39 Timothy: You hated the knowledge Because, let me tell you something All of those books, all of those tracts, all of those sermons would have given you a very good picture of exactly what Sound Dog Church is about.

33:48 Timothy: But you didn't look, you didn't want to examine.

33:50 Timothy: And then we hired a private investigator to come in to give you an independent view of what the whole church was about.

33:56 Timothy: But that didn't even matter to you either.

33:58 Timothy: You wanted all the lies.

33:59 Timothy: You wanted all the corruption.

34:00 Timothy: Nothing that could be said that actually had to do with the truth.

34:03 Timothy: You did not want that knowledge, since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord.

34:09 Timothy: There was absolutely no fear that.

34:11 Timothy: You know what.

34:12 Timothy: We could be listening to liars.

34:13 Timothy: These people could be of God.

34:15 Timothy: There was nothing, not even a question about what was going on, since they would not accept my advice and spurn my rebuke.

34:24 Timothy: Again, rebukes and advice and all it just kind of depends on you and your situation and your heart and what needs to be said.

34:32 Timothy: I could say it in the most gentle way, like yeah, it's not proper to be shacked up with a police chief and say that in the most gentle, kind, loving way, and I'll still get the same reaction as if it were a solid rebuke and, by the way, those are the people you work for.

34:47 Timothy: You work for a state that takes away children from parents, that undermines parental authority, that has a family court that only is about separating families, demeaning the father.

35:01 Timothy: You have a state that will lure children and daughters away to get birth control without their parents' knowledge, mutilate their genitalia, everything that you participate in.

35:13 Timothy: You think that's what we would and you have the audacity to think you could possibly.

35:18 Timothy: You think that's what we were and you have the audacity to think you could possibly understand the righteousness that was in sound.

35:20 Timothy: You work for the cult of cults.

35:23 Timothy: You work for, or you did work for, a system and a state and a government and a set of laws that are completely, absolutely bankrupt, both physically, morally and legally.

35:36 Timothy: There isn't one left good thing left within Washington state, since they would not accept my advice, spurn my rebuke.

35:44 Timothy: They will eat the fruit of their ways, and this last part describes prosecutors, judges and police to a T.

35:51 Timothy: So I'm going to back up and read Proverbs 1, 31 a little slower, because this is what it's about.

35:57 Timothy: 1.31, a little slower, because this is what it's about.

36:01 Timothy: They will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.

36:08 Timothy: Aren't prosecutors known for their schemes?

36:10 Timothy: Jacob?

36:11 Timothy: Yes, hiding evidence, altering evidence, partial evidence, delaying everything.

36:19 Timothy: It goes on and on.

36:20 Timothy: I remember one of the things that I did.

36:21 Timothy: I sent over to the Enum called police.

36:23 Timothy: We were doing a newspaper at the time, trying to get out our side of the story.

36:28 Timothy: And so then King County prosecutors say, yeah, send us over everything you got.

36:33 Timothy: But they didn't send over the newspaper, they didn't send over anything that I had sent, actually in our defense.

36:39 Timothy: So we had to re-request that.

36:41 Timothy: So you see, part of the scheme is send me over everything, knowing that detective mccall is not going to send over everything.

36:47 Timothy: That's just how it works and that's just one scheme among 100 schemes that went on with this trial.

36:52 Timothy: The delaying that you people did, the coming in and twisting of everything that you did you set out to a scheme to destroy.

36:59 Timothy: Your goal was never to go to trial.

37:01 Timothy: Your goal was to make these accusations sensational.

37:04 Timothy: You let the false accuser's mother and the mover of the hate crime try to destroy Wine Press Publishing, saltzaker Bookstore and the Sound Doctrine Church before the trial.

37:18 Timothy: That's why you delayed and delayed and delayed when we asked for a speedy trial.

37:23 Timothy: They came by the Salt Shaker, they came by Winepress, looking in the window.

37:27 Timothy: Their whole goal was to just bring everything down and we wouldn't have a chance to defend ourselves at all or get the truth out.

37:33 Timothy: And you went along with the scheme.

37:34 Timothy: In fact, athena Dean Holtz do you remember her?

37:37 Timothy: I'm sure that you do you allowed her to continue in the hate crime for the whole time.

37:42 Timothy: And then we show up on the day of the trial, the first day of the trial, I mean like just like moments before it begins, and you go over to the defense and you go oh, we're going to drop Miss Dean from our witness list, meaning she couldn't be cross examined.

37:55 Timothy: You weren't going to put her on the stand.

38:04 Timothy: So you let her and encouraged her and protected her crimes all the way up until that point.

38:06 Timothy: You did that scheme to destroy us, to weaken us so that we couldn't speak, hoping that we would collapse.

38:08 Timothy: And then, when that didn't happen, you dropped her from it.

38:11 Timothy: She flew on to Texas so we couldn't subpoena her up and you knew that it's the power of cross-examination where all of this would have been revealed.

38:20 Timothy: Oh yeah, your schemes were all over the place and they had absolutely nothing to do with justice.

38:25 Timothy: So then, when the destruction was done and everything was over with lo and behold, there was this big miracle that somehow the false accuser's mother was on the register agent for redemption press, and so they were able to steal the company inside.

38:39 Timothy: Information is as a theodine had lured people into doing what turning against everything, because everybody goes into self-preservation when prosecutors involved and when the law is involved.

38:48 Timothy: And so our stuff was being stolen before the collapse so that when it did collapse they had all of it there, the paperwork's out there, truth out there.

38:57 Timothy: Have you done anything with it?

38:58 Timothy: Nah, and this is only just one example.

39:00 Timothy: Folks, it's abundantly everywhere.

39:04 Timothy: Jacob, I'm sure I've left out a bunch of stuff, but have I left anything out?

39:08 Timothy: Nope, take us out of here.

The Unjust Persecution of Sound Doctrine

39:12 Speaker 4: The following podcast centers around the legal trial of Washington State v Malcolm Fraser.

39:17 Speaker 4: Mr Fraser was charged with an impossible-to-commit sexual assault crime by Washington State prosecutors.

39:23 Speaker 4: The fact is, even the manipulated accuser's testimony proves the crime could not have taken place.

39:29 Speaker 4: The prosecutor and hate crime agitator's goal was never to go to trial, but to destroy a Christian church by the weight of the accusations alone a tactic so common that it is by the weight of the accusations alone.

39:38 Speaker 4: A tactic so common that it is in the news today, every day, at every level within the court system.

39:44 Speaker 4: The following discussion is taken from actual court transcripts, video recordings and investigations.

39:50 Speaker 4: Many of those speaking on the podcast personally went through the mud pit unprofessional and illegal prosecution using a hate crime as the foundation.

39:59 Speaker 4: This concise recap is backed up by overwhelming evidence that the city of Enumclaw Police, washington state prosecutors and judges, for nefarious reasons, corrupted every aspect of the non-existent investigation and unconstitutional court proceedings Corruptions now so common that all but unreasonable individuals know it is standard operating procedure within the legal system.

40:22 Speaker 4: In short, the Sound Doctrine Christian Church was a victim of what is now termed lawfare.

40:28 Speaker 4: The year 2010 saw the compilation of a hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church by City of Enumclaw policeman Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

40:37 Speaker 4: Seattle Washington state prosecutors of King County used an innocent man to attack Timothy Williams of Sound Doctrine Church.

40:45 Speaker 4: Timothy Williams was not charged with any crime.

40:48 Speaker 4: Thus the state of Washington proxy prosecuted Malcolm Fraser to destroy Timothy Williams.

40:55 Speaker 4: More than ample evidence can be found at wwwconsiderinfo.

41:01 Speaker 4: The podcast and history of these events are important to prepare true disciples of Jesus for what could soon take place in their lives or in the lives of their children.

41:10 Speaker 4: The proxy prosecution of Malcolm Fraser by Washington state judges was a perfect storm of persecution by prosecution.

41:18 Speaker 4: All would do well to prayerfully prepare themselves and their children for what sin-stained, dark-souled judges, prosecutors and police will gladly happily do.

41:28 Speaker 4: We on the Consider podcast pray that God may grant them repentance, because it is, as the scriptures declare, a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

41:40 Speaker 4: As Jesus encouraged us when he walked the earth, the Holy Spirit does admonish the Christian today.

41:46 Speaker 4: If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear Mark, chapter 4, verse 23.

41:52 Speaker 4: The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.

42:01 Jacob: This has been the Consider Podcast with your hosts, timothy and Jacob, where the whole gospel message has been used to examine today's wisdom, folly and madness.

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